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I can't believe this failed in the House, IF indeed it is 100% over: I don't think so.
Trump simply can't lost Battle/Issue #1. His and the GOP's signature legislation. The GOP 'repealed' O'care 52 times while Obama was President.
But they have nothing to replace it.
"Art of the Deal", or just/IAC the Charles Manson-of-Twitter?

No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump
by LEIGH ANN CALDWELL -
MAR 23 2017, 1:53 PM ET
No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump - NBC News
House conservatives said there was No deal struck on the Republican health care bill after a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House Thursday, leaving the bill without enough support to pass just hours ahead of a planned vote.

Rep. Mark Meadows R.-N.C., chairman of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, told reporters that there was no deal after the meeting but added he was still hopeful there can be one struck. "I am very hopeful we can find a way to yes," Meadows said...
 
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Long way to go...but, looks like

Obamacare 1; Trumpettes 0
 
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Good, but they'll be working overtime to make a deal for another vote tentatively scheduled for tomorrow. And even then we've got at least a year and eight months for a Republican-controlled government to wreak havoc.
 
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I can't believe this failed in the House, IF indeed it is 100% over: I don't think so.
Trump simply can't lost Battle/Issue #1. His and the GOP's signature legislation. The GOP 'repealed' O'care 52 times while Obama was President.
But they have nothing to replace it.
"Art of the Deal", or the Charles Manson-of-Twitter?

No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump
by LEIGH ANN CALDWELL -
MAR 23 2017, 1:53 PM ET
No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump - NBC News

Good.

Let them come up with something that works instead of repealing Obamacare just to say they repealed it, when it's being replaced with something worse.
 
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Good. Maybe now they can actually come up with something that's better than the ACA.
 
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Good. Maybe now they can actually come up with something that's better than the ACA.

If Republicans managed to pass single payer health care they would be impervious to Democratic challenge in 2018, possibly 2020.

Of course, that would require the Republican party suddenly disover empathy.
 
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Looks like liberals have to thank conservatives for stopping Trumpcare. Can anything be more awkward in politics than that?
 
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Good. Maybe now they can actually come up with something that's better than the ACA.

For the Republicans, that's pretty much impossible. They really can't do much that's "market-friendly" without screwing over their voter base.

I'll repost Field Theorist's explanation from his thread yesterday, since it's pretty much hammer-meet-nail:

I have long believed that the deal the Republicans made a grave error when they pushed the Tea Party into the forefront of their party's GOTV apparatus, and made Obamacare a major issue. It set up expectations that they cannot deliver on, at least while keeping their donor class happy and far Right happy.

Now, on the surface Obamacare looks like a great piece of legislation for Republicans to target --Obamacare basically pays for older people's healthcare on the backs of partially the healthy and partially the rich (which then, by Republicans and corporate Democrats, was immediately shifted away from the wealthy donor class and right onto the deficit), it has no meaningful price controls, and it did nothing to curb the price of drugs. In other words, it's your typical milquetoast "moderate reforms" that really only address about 25%-50% of the problems, but makes Democrats feel like they're done a great, noble thing. So, sure, that sounds like low-hanging fruit, politically speaking.

Here's the problem: There is no Republican plan for healthcare, and there can't ever be one. Either you have to go in and place massive legal restrictions on the healthcare industry and publicly subsidize massive portions of healthcare --which will cause a widespread revolt among the donor-class-- or the prices will continue skyrocketing --and it'll start bringing out the 50% of people who normally don't show up to the polls. In either case, they lose. And they've been harping on this issue for 8 years now. The thing is, when I say there "there can't ever be" a Republican plan for healthcare, that's not just my opinion. The Republicans spent 8 years blasting Obamacare and they spend billions on think-tanks and policy institutes. You know what they came up with during that time? What they were ready to enact after they finally got elected to the White House, Senate majority, and House majority? That's right, not a goddamn thing. Over the past few months, they've scraped together a cobbled hodgepodge of tax-breaks and nothing else.

Trumpcare is basically a full admission that they're going to choose to side with the donors, which is pretty funny coming from Donald "Everyone else let donors get away with murder, but I won't!" Trump. What will his voters do when they actually understand how screwed they are? It's why House Republicans are so torn on voting for the bill, because they know they're going to get skewered either way --the far Right extremists that they've been cultivating in their Red districts will hate them if they don't repeal Obamacare (beyond which, Trump will look incredibly weak), but if they do pass it and it destroys people's lives, people will vote them out of office.

There's no win here, because there's no "traditionally conservative" solution to this problem. There is, however, a socialist solution, the one pushed for by Bernie. I'm eagerly awaiting that policy battle following whichever crater Trump leaves behind on this issue.
 
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If Republicans managed to pass single payer health care they would be impervious to Democratic challenge in 2018, possibly 2020.

Of course, that would require the Republican party suddenly disover empathy.

Because higher taxes and more government control over healthcare is empathetic. Oh wait..
 
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The repubs are like the dog that chases the car...what do you do when you catch the car?

They had 8 years to come up with something....FAIL
 
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I can't believe this failed in the House, IF indeed it is 100% over: I don't think so.
Trump simply can't lost Battle/Issue #1. His and the GOP's signature legislation. The GOP 'repealed' O'care 52 times while Obama was President.
But they have nothing to replace it.
"Art of the Deal", or just/IAC the Charles Manson-of-Twitter?

No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump
by LEIGH ANN CALDWELL -
MAR 23 2017, 1:53 PM ET
No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump - NBC News

Most GOP trumposters in the USA have never heard of the moderate House GOP Tuesday Group until today.

They do know who the Freedom Circus is, since they first started obstructing their own GOP Speaker Boehner in 2011, denying him the grand bargain which would have saved our budget for ten years .
 
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If Republicans managed to pass single payer health care they would be impervious to Democratic challenge in 2018, possibly 2020.

Of course, that would require the Republican party suddenly disover empathy.

If they suggested single payer the Democrats would still oppose them simply because it would be a Trump policy. Hell, if the Republicans proposed giving everyone $1M, a pony and a lifetime supply of ice cream the democrats (and any Republicans associated with McCain) would oppose it just because it was a Trump thing.
 
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If they suggested single payer the Democrats would still oppose them simply because it would be a Trump policy. Hell, if the Republicans proposed giving everyone $1M, a pony and a lifetime supply of ice cream the democrats (and any Republicans associated with McCain) would oppose it just because it was a Trump thing.

Right. :roll:

Don't take your demented GOP's actions from the past eight years and project them onto others. It's poor form.
 
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Looks like liberals have to thank conservatives for stopping Trumpcare. Can anything be more awkward in politics than that?

Not just Conservatives, moderate Republicans are also voting no.
 
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Kate Snow on MSNBC, relying on multiple sources, has reported the GOP Leadership has postponed a vote on their proposed ACHA Plan.

NO HEALTH CARE VOTE TODAY.
 
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If they suggested single payer the Democrats would still oppose them simply because it would be a Trump policy. Hell, if the Republicans proposed giving everyone $1M, a pony and a lifetime supply of ice cream the democrats (and any Republicans associated with McCain) would oppose it just because it was a Trump thing.
Actually, it's the reverse.
'Mandates' was a Republican idea to stop freeloading. They just didn't like it when/because the Dems adopted it.

"ACA" always polled 20 points higher that "Obamacare".
You've stumbled onto spectacular hypocrisy... of your own side.
 
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Because higher taxes and more government control over healthcare is empathetic. Oh wait..

Actually, it kind of is. Lower taxes and less government control would be indicate less empathy, more selfishness, because more people get left behind.
 
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Looks like liberals have to thank conservatives for stopping Trumpcare. Can anything be more awkward in politics than that?

Errr not really. Because we actually care about people instead of trying to one up the other side.
 
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Kate Snow on MSNBC, relying on multiple sources, has reported the GOP Leadership has postponed a vote on their proposed ACHA Plan. NO HEALTH CARE VOTE TODAY.

Just saying no doesn't work when you have to govern. The Buffalo Bribe is already embarrassing to the GOP. The secret bribes back and forth between the Freedom Circus and the Tuesday Grownups is fascinating to watch .
 
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Looks like liberals have to thank conservatives for stopping Trumpcare. Can anything be more awkward in politics than that?

The GOP Tuesday Group is not conservative.

Whatever the House clowns come up with, it'll be DOA in the Senate .
 
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Actually, it's the reverse.
'Mandates' was a Republican idea to stop freeloading. They just didn't like it when/because the Dems adopted it.

"ACA" always polled 20 points higher that "Obamacare".
You've stumbled onto spectacular hypocrisy... of your own side.

Then fix it and as Trump would say, it will be beautiful, everyone will be covered, yada,yada, and it will be huge.
 
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The GOP Tuesday Group is not conservative.

Whatever the Hiuse clowns come up with, it'll be DOA in the Senate .
CNN "GOP Source": Vote Called off for today/tonite.


EDIT:
Same source..
"But there will be vote tomorrow morning."
 
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I can't believe this failed in the House, IF indeed it is 100% over: I don't think so.
Trump simply can't lost Battle/Issue #1. His and the GOP's signature legislation. The GOP 'repealed' O'care 52 times while Obama was President.
But they have nothing to replace it.
"Art of the Deal", or just/IAC the Charles Manson-of-Twitter?

No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump
by LEIGH ANN CALDWELL -
MAR 23 2017, 1:53 PM ET
No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump - NBC News

It is interesting, isn't it? ACA was not good. It was lousy. But it made a political mess that requires a follow up act. A pity that Obama didn't put in place something sustainable. Now we have a real problem and have to face the questions that AHA avoided.
 
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If they suggested single payer the Democrats would still oppose them simply because it would be a Trump policy. Hell, if the Republicans proposed giving everyone $1M, a pony and a lifetime supply of ice cream the democrats (and any Republicans associated with McCain) would oppose it just because it was a Trump thing.

How is what you accuse DEMs of POSSIBLY doing any different than what GOPs ACTUALLY did the last 8 years ?
 
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CNN "GOP Source": Vote Called off for today/tonite.

trump is having his usual lying presser and he actually doesn't seem to know the vote is called off yet .
 
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