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Justice League

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Coming out soon and I've not seen much in the way of advertisement which is curious. It had better be good. DC universe is falling waaayyyy behind Marvel in that area. Wonder Woman was great though which helps. Wanna see how they make aquaman NOT a sucky superhero.
 
I am hoping this will be good. I am getting BvS vibes from those trailers, but I really hope I am wrong.
 
I am hoping this will be good. I am getting BvS vibes from those trailers, but I really hope I am wrong.

Same here. BvS was "ok" but it wasn't on any good comparison with Marvel. I suspect Justice League will be on the same level as BvS. Good to watch, but not exceptional.
 
Coming out soon and I've not seen much in the way of advertisement which is curious. It had better be good. DC universe is falling waaayyyy behind Marvel in that area. Wonder Woman was great though which helps. Wanna see how they make aquaman NOT a sucky superhero.

I've seen a bunch of TV ads.
Looks good.
There may be a fly in the audience ointment given Ben Affleck is Batman again and the whole six degrees of Weinstein separation thing.
Still looking forward to it as well as to Thor.
 
I am hoping this will be good. I am getting BvS vibes from those trailers, but I really hope I am wrong.

If I remember right, to me B vs S was kind of what-the-hell?
I want to see it again to see what I musta missed the first time.
 
I've seen a bunch of TV ads.
Looks good.
There may be a fly in the audience ointment given Ben Affleck is Batman again and the whole six degrees of Weinstein separation thing.
Still looking forward to it as well as to Thor.


The Thor movie looks awesome.

I was pissed when afleck was picked for Batman Superman movie. Was pleasantly surprised that he did ok in the role.
 
If I remember right, to me B vs S was kind of what-the-hell?
I want to see it again to see what I musta missed the first time.

IKR, I feel like the extended version answered a bunch of those WTF questions but still... Doomsday? Too soon. We needed a Man of Steel 2 where Superman was loved by America so his "death" had more impact.

I'm optimistic about Justice League, they seem to be listening and in Joss Whedon I trust.
 
The Thor movie looks awesome.

I was pissed when afleck was picked for Batman Superman movie. Was pleasantly surprised that he did ok in the role.

Yeah, he did okay as Batman and he'll probably be okay in this one.
But he replaced Christain Bale and I'm partial to damn near anything he does.
And he's doing Cheney now. Holy transformation Batman. Did you see what he looks like for that? Likewise Amy Adams as Liz Cheney.
Could this be Christian Bale?s most drastic transformation yet? He?s unrecognisable as Dick Cheney | hollywood | Hindustan Times
 
Coming out soon and I've not seen much in the way of advertisement which is curious. It had better be good. DC universe is falling waaayyyy behind Marvel in that area. Wonder Woman was great though which helps. Wanna see how they make aquaman NOT a sucky superhero.

Wonder Woman was a perfectly fine movie, but it simply wasn't that great compared to the Marvel movies. It was lauded to the degree that it was because DC finally made a movie that didn't suck giant wet donkey balls.
 
Wonder Woman was a perfectly fine movie, but it simply wasn't that great compared to the Marvel movies. It was lauded to the degree that it was because DC finally made a movie that didn't suck giant wet donkey balls.

Pretty much.
 
Here's the problem with DC movies. They can only be as good as their source material. Marvel comics? Awesome. DC comics? Meh.
 
I just wanna say this about the JL trailers: We know who Alfred is talking to ("Now let's...hope...you're not too late"), so you might as well just show his face in costume in your trailers!

All i gotta say is when he shows up on screen, they better give him some awesome fanfare music.
 
Here's the problem with DC movies. They can only be as good as their source material. Marvel comics? Awesome. DC comics? Meh.

I never got into DC much myself, but when I did the characters never seemed especially three dimensional. That said, you can work with bad source material if you have a sufficiently imaginative team of writers. Battlestar Galactica was brilliant, and the original series was ****ing unwatchable.
 
I just wanna say this about the JL trailers: We know who Alfred is talking to ("Now let's...hope...you're not too late"), so you might as well just show his face in costume in your trailers!

All i gotta say is when he shows up on screen, they better give him some awesome fanfare music.

See, this is another area where Marvel is beating the ever-loving crap out of DC: Marvel is hitting their B-list comics (who didn't watch the Guardians of the Galaxy coming attractions and think, "Um...a talking raccoon?"), whereas DC is still rebooting...Batman. Seriously, if I spent the rest of my life without seeing another Batman reboot I'd be fine.

I'm giving Spider Man a pass on all the reboots because Sony never should have been making Marvel movies to begin with. That goes doubly for Fantastic Four. I'd love to see what Marvel Studios does with them.
 
Here's the problem with DC movies. They can only be as good as their source material. Marvel comics? Awesome. DC comics? Meh.

I disagree. I much prefer DC to Marvel in comics. Aside from stupid superman comics and green lantern comics, most of the stories seemed to revolve around protecting a city or a neighborhood or maybe a region. Localized fights that made more sense. After a while it seemed like every single marvel comic was about "ZOMG THE UNIVERSE WILL DIE IF WE DON'T....!!!!!11!!!!!!" which got tiring for me because they couldn't keep upping it from there.
 
See, this is another area where Marvel is beating the ever-loving crap out of DC: Marvel is hitting their B-list comics (who didn't watch the Guardians of the Galaxy coming attractions and think, "Um...a talking raccoon?"), whereas DC is still rebooting...Batman. Seriously, if I spent the rest of my life without seeing another Batman reboot I'd be fine.

I'm giving Spider Man a pass on all the reboots because Sony never should have been making Marvel movies to begin with. That goes doubly for Fantastic Four. I'd love to see what Marvel Studios does with them.

Fantastic Four has always pissed me off. Hated the comics. Hated the movies. Four people go into space, get hit with the same radiation and all four come up with non fatal and somehow, differing super-abilities. I've always thought it was a really stupid origin story no matter how the movies tried to respin how it happened. I've always preferred Dr. Doom and was pulling for him. He was at least a motivated bad guy which... unlike most of Stan Lee's bad guys was cool. Stan Lee was always the master of conjuring up superhero's. His villain lineup suuuuuuccckkks. I was pleased how Hollywood respun the whole Vulture bad guy in that last spidey movie. That was cool how it piggy-backed off the Avengers movie as an origin story. The Vulture in the comics... juuuuust terrible.

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But Rhino? Come the **** on. A guy who'd put on a skin-tight rhino suit and run into things with his head. It's like Stan Lee made up superheros and his brain was all spent after that.

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Bad guys need a purpose. Marvel seemed to write up bad guys who were bad for the sake of being bad and no believable motivation that you could sympathize with. I think that was probably Hollywood's biggest hill to climb in making marvel movies. Finding a purpose for the bad guys. Like Vulture in the last spiderman. Sandman in the earlier spiderman. You could understand why they were the way they were. In the comics... not so much.
 
Comics have not been the same since QUALITY canceled the Black Condor.
 
Fantastic Four has always pissed me off. Hated the comics. Hated the movies. Four people go into space, get hit with the same radiation and all four come up with non fatal and somehow, differing super-abilities. I've always thought it was a really stupid origin story no matter how the movies tried to respin how it happened. I've always preferred Dr. Doom and was pulling for him. He was at least a motivated bad guy which... unlike most of Stan Lee's bad guys was cool. Stan Lee was always the master of conjuring up superhero's. His villain lineup suuuuuuccckkks. I was pleased how Hollywood respun the whole Vulture bad guy in that last spidey movie. That was cool how it piggy-backed off the Avengers movie as an origin story. The Vulture in the comics... juuuuust terrible.

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But Rhino? Come the **** on. A guy who'd put on a skin-tight rhino suit and run into things with his head. It's like Stan Lee made up superheros and his brain was all spent after that.

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Bad guys need a purpose. Marvel seemed to write up bad guys who were bad for the sake of being bad and no believable motivation that you could sympathize with. I think that was probably Hollywood's biggest hill to climb in making marvel movies. Finding a purpose for the bad guys. Like Vulture in the last spiderman. Sandman in the earlier spiderman. You could understand why they were the way they were. In the comics... not so much.

Ewww. Vulture definitely needed the upgrade he got.
 
Fantastic Four has always pissed me off. Hated the comics. Hated the movies. Four people go into space, get hit with the same radiation and all four come up with non fatal and somehow, differing super-abilities. I've always thought it was a really stupid origin story no matter how the movies tried to respin how it happened. I've always preferred Dr. Doom and was pulling for him. He was at least a motivated bad guy which... unlike most of Stan Lee's bad guys was cool. Stan Lee was always the master of conjuring up superhero's. His villain lineup suuuuuuccckkks. I was pleased how Hollywood respun the whole Vulture bad guy in that last spidey movie. That was cool how it piggy-backed off the Avengers movie as an origin story. The Vulture in the comics... juuuuust terrible.

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But Rhino? Come the **** on. A guy who'd put on a skin-tight rhino suit and run into things with his head. It's like Stan Lee made up superheros and his brain was all spent after that.

View attachment 67224221

Bad guys need a purpose. Marvel seemed to write up bad guys who were bad for the sake of being bad and no believable motivation that you could sympathize with. I think that was probably Hollywood's biggest hill to climb in making marvel movies. Finding a purpose for the bad guys. Like Vulture in the last spiderman. Sandman in the earlier spiderman. You could understand why they were the way they were. In the comics... not so much.

The Fantastic Four weren't the most interesting people, I'll give you that. There's only so much you can do with the rivalry between The Thing and Human Torch. So I wouldn't "love" what Marvel could do with them, per se, I just know Marvel Studios could do leagues better than Sony.

But if you're going to criticize the Fantastic Four for the improbable situation in which they gained their powers, then let's be fair: you're going to have to write off Spider Man too. Peter Parker got his "strength of a spider" from...a radioactive spider.

Boy Bitten by Radioactive Spider Dies of Leukemia. Peter Parker, 17, Was Avid Student of Science, Photography

“This was no ordinary case of leukemia,” said attendant physician Dr. Henry Pym, an expert in the field of radioactive-insect-induced cancers. “This ripped through young Peter’s body almost overnight, affecting his reflexes, destroying his coordination, sapping his strength and scrambling his senses to the point where almost all the boy could detect was a constant tingling. It’s almost as if this hyper-irradiated cancer had the proportionate strength and speed of a spider.”

Parker’s death marks the sixth atomic-accident fatality in the last month, arriving on the heels of Reed Richards, Ben Grimm, and Susan and John Storm all succumbing to cosmic rays during the maiden flight of Richards’ experimental rocket, and U.S. Department of Defense scientist Bruce Banner’s irradiation by the Gamma Bomb, a weapon of his own devising.

-The Onion
 
The Fantastic Four weren't the most interesting people, I'll give you that. There's only so much you can do with the rivalry between The Thing and Human Torch. So I wouldn't "love" what Marvel could do with them, per se, I just know Marvel Studios could do leagues better than Sony.

But if you're going to criticize the Fantastic Four for the improbable situation in which they gained their powers, then let's be fair: you're going to have to write off Spider Man too. Peter Parker got his "strength of a spider" from...a radioactive spider.



-The Onion

Spiderman came first. So it gets a pass for originality.

I saw an interview with Stan Lee and he was asked about X-men and how he decided to do their superpowers by birth. He flat out said that he did that because he was lazy. He got tired of trying to invent all the fantastical ways that someone could change into a superhuman so he just thought... "hey, they're born with it".

Which turned out to be the most amazing thing he ever did because it gave him the perfect story line of conflict time and time again. Bigotry. It wasn't so black and white GOOD GUY vs BAD GUY! It was dealing with regular people having to deal with their own prejudices over a changing society. It was brilliant.

The Onion is the best.

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See, this is another area where Marvel is beating the ever-loving crap out of DC: Marvel is hitting their B-list comics (who didn't watch the Guardians of the Galaxy coming attractions and think, "Um...a talking raccoon?"), whereas DC is still rebooting...Batman. Seriously, if I spent the rest of my life without seeing another Batman reboot I'd be fine.

In other words, DC needs to lay off the Batman and Superman crap and move one to the numerous other superheros they have.

Well, they are doing that. There's an Aquaman movie being filmed.
 
Fantastic Four has always pissed me off. Hated the comics. Hated the movies. Four people go into space, get hit with the same radiation and all four come up with non fatal and somehow, differing super-abilities. I've always thought it was a really stupid origin story no matter how the movies tried to respin how it happened. I've always preferred Dr. Doom and was pulling for him. He was at least a motivated bad guy which... unlike most of Stan Lee's bad guys was cool. Stan Lee was always the master of conjuring up superhero's. His villain lineup suuuuuuccckkks. I was pleased how Hollywood respun the whole Vulture bad guy in that last spidey movie. That was cool how it piggy-backed off the Avengers movie as an origin story. The Vulture in the comics... juuuuust terrible.

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But Rhino? Come the **** on. A guy who'd put on a skin-tight rhino suit and run into things with his head. It's like Stan Lee made up superheros and his brain was all spent after that.

View attachment 67224221

Bad guys need a purpose. Marvel seemed to write up bad guys who were bad for the sake of being bad and no believable motivation that you could sympathize with. I think that was probably Hollywood's biggest hill to climb in making marvel movies. Finding a purpose for the bad guys. Like Vulture in the last spiderman. Sandman in the earlier spiderman. You could understand why they were the way they were. In the comics... not so much.


Magneto. Fantastic villain. Mephisto. Pretty decent. Galactus. Dr. Doom. Both solid. Juggernaught, Stryfe, the brood, dark Phoenix....plenty of good material.


Only thing DC has is Batman and SOME of his villainous lineup. Which is why it's been rebooted 15 times.
 
Magneto. Fantastic villain. Mephisto. Pretty decent. Galactus. Dr. Doom. Both solid. Juggernaught, Stryfe, the brood, dark Phoenix....plenty of good material.


Only thing DC has is Batman and SOME of his villainous lineup. Which is why it's been rebooted 15 times.

Stan Lee got better with villians when he got x-men up and going because like I said, the dynamic was less black and white. Good guys doing good because they are good guys and bad guys doing bad simply because they are bad. x-men cut through all that and made the conflicts more real.

DC had superheros fighting for their city. Made it more fun of a read than reading about constantly having to fend off a guy who eats planets. Then DC started getting more fantastical and created bizarro world and interplanetary travel stuff with green lantern. Not as interesting IMO.
 
Stan Lee got better with villians when he got x-men up and going because like I said, the dynamic was less black and white. Good guys doing good because they are good guys and bad guys doing bad simply because they are bad. x-men cut through all that and made the conflicts more real.

DC had superheros fighting for their city. Made it more fun of a read than reading about constantly having to fend off a guy who eats planets. Then DC started getting more fantastical and created bizarro world and interplanetary travel stuff with green lantern. Not as interesting IMO.

Spider-Man fights for his city.


But yeah....he's about the only one. Well, only big name, anyway.
 
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