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Interference in foreign elections is common.

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I wonder if people realize that interference in foreign elections is more common than they think. The USA has interfered many times itself. So why all the outrage.

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries - LA Times

Database Tracks History Of U.S. Meddling In Foreign Elections : NPR

The U.S. Has Been Meddling In Other Countries' Elections For A Century. It Doesn't Feel Good. | The Huffington Post
 
I wonder if people realize that interference in foreign elections is more common than they think. The USA has interfered many times itself. So why all the outrage.

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries - LA Times

Database Tracks History Of U.S. Meddling In Foreign Elections : NPR

The U.S. Has Been Meddling In Other Countries' Elections For A Century. It Doesn't Feel Good. | The Huffington Post

Everyone should have already known this, heck not too long ago it was discovered our country was spying on the french elections, probably to find dirt on any candidates to try and direct who wins there.
 
I wonder if people realize that interference in foreign elections is more common than they think. The USA has interfered many times itself. So why all the outrage.

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries - LA Times

Database Tracks History Of U.S. Meddling In Foreign Elections : NPR

The U.S. Has Been Meddling In Other Countries' Elections For A Century. It Doesn't Feel Good. | The Huffington Post

Obviously the Left didn't like the results.
 
So then you think that Russia is justified in meddling in ours ?
 
So then you think that Russia is justified in meddling in ours ?

Are you arguing that Russians and other non-citizens don't have rights guaranteed to our citizens?
 
Are you arguing that Russians and other non-citizens don't have rights guaranteed to our citizens?

I didn't realize hacking personal e-mails of your political enemies was a right.
 
I didn't realize hacking personal e-mails of your political enemies was a right.

Well, when it's proved the Russians did this, we can discuss this. I was posting with a wink and a nod.

Right now, we know with certainty that our own spies are hacking everything on Earth and that there are politically motivated leaks by our own spies.

Isn't it funny that the idea of the Russians hacking and then leaking is so accepted when there is no evidence of it happening? Wiki Leaks specifically stated that the stuff they published did NOT come from Russian Sources.

Isn't it funny that the idea of our own spies hacking and then leaking is dismissed when there is ample evidence that it happens every day?

Perhaps a little less hysteria and a little more rational review is required.
 
I wonder if people realize that interference in foreign elections is more common than they think. The USA has interfered many times itself. So why all the outrage.

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries - LA Times

Database Tracks History Of U.S. Meddling In Foreign Elections : NPR

The U.S. Has Been Meddling In Other Countries' Elections For A Century. It Doesn't Feel Good. | The Huffington Post

Let's look at some other things that happen alot, and see how this premise holds up:

Drunk driving is pretty common. Why the outrage?
Rape is common. Why the outrage?
Robbery is common. Why the outrage?
Child abuse is common. Why the outrage?
 
I wonder if people realize that interference in foreign elections is more common than they think. The USA has interfered many times itself. So why all the outrage.

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries - LA Times

Database Tracks History Of U.S. Meddling In Foreign Elections : NPR

The U.S. Has Been Meddling In Other Countries' Elections For A Century. It Doesn't Feel Good. | The Huffington Post

At the risk of sounding like a poster on a kindergarten wall..."Two wrongs don't make a right." All one has to do is look at Iran and the middle east to know what good our meddling in election processes does.
 
Well, when it's proved the Russians did this, we can discuss this. I was posting with a wink and a nod.

Is the sworn word from intelligence agencies not even enough to have you convinced to at least consider the possibility that the Russians have the motive and the means to meddle with US Elections?

Right now, we know with certainty that our own spies are hacking everything on Earth and that there are politically motivated leaks by our own spies.

It's amusing how selective you are when it comes to the intelligence community.

Isn't it funny that the idea of the Russians hacking and then leaking is so accepted when there is no evidence of it happening?

No, we have the evidence. There's such an overwhelming consensus that the Russians hacked the DNC for political gain. The only thing presently under investigation is whether or not the Trump administration is cahoots. I apologize that reality disagrees with your worldview.

Wiki Leaks specifically stated that the stuff they published did NOT come from Russian Sources.

Except in 2015, Wikileaks announced publicly the Russians were able to hack into the DNC email accounts. So either Wikileaks lied, or their source lied. In the end which one do you find more reliable?

Isn't it funny that the idea of our own spies hacking and then leaking is dismissed when there is ample evidence that it happens every day?

Isn't it funny that you're attempting to derail the conversation away from Russia sanctioning the hacking of American citizens to try and suddenly bring up "our massive spy program." I have yet to see anyone successfully pull of this clumsy, dishonest misdirection yet. The question isn't whether SIGINT work moral or not. Instead, the conversation is whether or not you believe it is okay for a foreign government to interfere with US elections.

Perhaps a little less hysteria and a little more rational review is required.

The only ones "hysteric" are people attempting to deny reality because "their side" benefited from international subterfuge.
 
Is the sworn word from intelligence agencies not even enough to have you convinced to at least consider the possibility that the Russians have the motive and the means to meddle with US Elections?



It's amusing how selective you are when it comes to the intelligence community.



No, we have the evidence. There's such an overwhelming consensus that the Russians hacked the DNC for political gain. The only thing presently under investigation is whether or not the Trump administration is cahoots. I apologize that reality disagrees with your worldview.



Except in 2015, Wikileaks announced publicly the Russians were able to hack into the DNC email accounts. So either Wikileaks lied, or their source lied. In the end which one do you find more reliable?



Isn't it funny that you're attempting to derail the conversation away from Russia sanctioning the hacking of American citizens to try and suddenly bring up "our massive spy program." I have yet to see anyone successfully pull of this clumsy, dishonest misdirection yet. The question isn't whether SIGINT work moral or not. Instead, the conversation is whether or not you believe it is okay for a foreign government to interfere with US elections.



The only ones "hysteric" are people attempting to deny reality because "their side" benefited from international subterfuge.

You say that there is proof and then say that there is consensus.

If there is proof, consensus is worthless.

I could not find the snipet in your link that demonstrated the assertion that wiki leaks confirmed that their leaks came from the Russians.

Here is a link that specifically denies that and also makes reference to your consensus:

At Least 6 TIMES Wikileaks Has Denied Russia Was their Source for Leaked DNC Emails - But Media Ignores It
<snip>
Assange: The Clinton camp has been able to project a neo-McCarthyist hysteria that Russia is responsible for everything.

Hillary Clinton has stated multiple times, falsely, that 17 US intelligence agencies had assessed that Russia was the source of our publications.

That’s false – we can say that the Russian government is not the source,” Assange told the veteran Australian broadcaster as part of a 25-minute John Pilger Special, courtesy of Dartmouth Films.
<snip>

Repeating a lie does not make it the truth. It only repeats the lie.

We definitely have evidence that our spies spy on US Citizens.

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

NSA Fesses Up To Improper Surveillance Of U.S. Citizens | The Huffington Post
<snip>
The batch of documents, stretching from the fourth quarter of 2001 to the second quarter of 2013, was released in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union.

While some of the information was already publicly known, the reports shed more light on instances in which NSA employees either intentionally or unintentionally violated the law and collected the private data of American citizens.
<snip>

You are buying into the propaganda put forth to attack Trump.

Take a step back and read the accounts closely. The main Stream Media is working hard to delude those with sympathies similar to yours.

There is no evidence to support either trump's claim that he was "wire tapped" or the claims by the Democrats that the Trump campaign and the Russians colluded to derail the flawed campaign of the flawed Democrat candidate.

Hillary lost. Trump's an political neophyte. One of them won the election and the other did not.

There is now an organized campaign to delegitimize Trump. Much of it is to simply quote him accurately. Much of it is to quote him selectively.

No matter how much you dislike him, the facts are still the facts.
 
Are you arguing that Russians and other non-citizens don't have rights guaranteed to our citizens?

The right to meddle in our elections?

Are you another of that cabal who wants to make Russia great again?

My God.
 
I wonder if people realize that interference in foreign elections is more common than they think. The USA has interfered many times itself. So why all the outrage.

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries - LA Times

Database Tracks History Of U.S. Meddling In Foreign Elections : NPR

The U.S. Has Been Meddling In Other Countries' Elections For A Century. It Doesn't Feel Good. | The Huffington Post

And therefore Russia's interference in ours is somehow no big deal? Trying to find the point here...
 
Let's look at some other things that happen alot, and see how this premise holds up:

Drunk driving is pretty common. Why the outrage?
Rape is common. Why the outrage?
Robbery is common. Why the outrage?
Child abuse is common. Why the outrage?

Child abuse is common.:lamo

what % of Americans have committed child abuse Robbery or rape? I dont know anyone that has committed those common acts
 
And therefore Russia's interference in ours is somehow no big deal? Trying to find the point here...

Right back at you. Point being, people acting like the world is coming to an end about Russia's supposed interference, yet don't raise an eyebrow when the USA does the same. And really, what exactly have they done. Released emails that they supposedly hacked themselves, that exposed the upper Democratic party members as crooked liars. Compared to what the US has done as well as other countries, yeah, no big deal.
 
Let's look at some other things that happen alot, and see how this premise holds up:

Drunk driving is pretty common. Why the outrage?
Rape is common. Why the outrage?
Robbery is common. Why the outrage?
Child abuse is common. Why the outrage?

Yeah, your right. That's comparable to supposedly releasing private emails.
 
Right back at you. Point being, people acting like the world is coming to an end about Russia's supposed interference, yet don't raise an eyebrow when the USA does the same. And really, what exactly have they done. Released emails that they supposedly hacked themselves, that exposed the upper Democratic party members as crooked liars. Compared to what the US has done as well as other countries, yeah, no big deal.

I don't get you guys. One day leaks are great when dem emails are hacked by Russians at trumps request. The next day when they investigate that hack, then all of a sudden leaks are bad and the most important thing is to find and punish the leakers. Then leaks become good again when Nunes leaks investigation details to the guy being investigated. It's like you guys are a-ok if the hackers/leakers are Russians.
 
So then you think that Russia is justified in meddling in ours ?

It cannot be proved that Russia meddles in ours. There is no evidence to support that claim by HRC and the democrats and the idiots in the media.
 
Child abuse is common.:lamo

what % of Americans have committed child abuse Robbery or rape? I dont know anyone that has committed those common acts

Happens every day, far too often.
 
Child abuse is common.:lamo

what % of Americans have committed child abuse Robbery or rape? I dont know anyone that has committed those common acts

Child Abuse Statistics & Info

Overall U.S. child abuse statistics:

Every 10 seconds a child is abused or raped
3.3 million child abuse reports in 2010
For every report 2 more go unreported = many millions abused annually
61,000 reports to Child Protective services per week = 6 per minute
Of 1.5 million runaways 85% are fleeing some form of abuse
Only 10% of abusers do not know their abuser well
Abuse victims = about 48% male, 52% female
Every race and religion sees child abuse

Yes it's quite common.
 
Let's look at some other things that happen alot, and see how this premise holds up:

Drunk driving is pretty common. Why the outrage?
Rape is common. Why the outrage?
Robbery is common. Why the outrage?
Child abuse is common. Why the outrage?

Sure...let's use your example.

Are person who serially drinks and drives being outraged someone else does.
A serial rapist being outraged about being raped.

Do I need to go on?
 
Sure...let's use your example.

Are person who serially drinks and drives being outraged someone else does.
A serial rapist being outraged about being raped.

Do I need to go on?

I have never interfered in a foreign election, can I be upset if Russia did?
 
So then you think that Russia is justified in meddling in ours ?

Justified? I guess that depends on how you look at it. Let me pose a different question that addresses the same point, "Does the U.S. have any standing to complain about other countries' meddling in our election?"
 
I have never interfered in a foreign election, can I be upset if Russia did?

No one interfered in your personal ability to vote so no.
 
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