Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s Russia ti

[digitusmedius]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/inspector-general-report-trump-russia-investigation/2019/12/09/d5940d88-184c-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

Also, this:

“Although not mentioned in the EC (Electronic Communication), at the time, FBI officials involved in opening the investigation had reason to believe that Russia may have been connected to the Wikileaks disclosures that occurred earlier in July 2016, and were aware of information regarding Russia’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections. These officials, though, did not become aware of Steele’s election reporting until weeks later and we therefore determined that Steele’s reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening,” the report said.

and:

Horowitz found that the two key former FBI officials who have been used as fodder for “deep state” allegations from the right — Lisa Page and Peter Strzok — actually had limited roles in the launch of the probe. Page “attended some of the discussions regarding the opening of the investigations,” but didn’t “play a role in the decision to open Crossfire Hurricane or the four individual” surveillance cases, which included Carter Page, as well as George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort. Strzok was more “directly involved” in the launch of probe, but he was not the “sole, or even the highest-level decision maker as to any of those matters.”

Of course, Dirtbag and his toadies will focus on the minor stuff that played no part in the investigation. Toady-in-Chief Barr is already dissing Horowitz's report. Horowitz is highly regarded within the DoJ so Barr continues to demean his own department with his horrifically inappropriate politicization of it. He makes what Alberto Gonzalez had to resign over look like kindergarten level corruption.

 

[Mycroft]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/inspector-general-report-trump-russia-investigation/2019/12/09/d5940d88-184c-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

Also, this:

and:


Of course, Dirtbag and his toadies will focus on the minor stuff that played no part in the investigation. Toady-in-Chief Barr is already dissing Horowitz's report. Horowitz is highly regarded within the DoJ so Barr continues to demean his own department with his horrifically inappropriate politicization of it. He makes what Alberto Gonzalez had to resign over look like kindergarten level corruption.

Perhaps Horowitz should have left the EC and any questions of motivation into why Crossfire Hurricane was begun to the guy who actually has the power to fully investigate that matter. Furthermore, is Horowitz fully aware of what Strzok was doing during the time that he was assigned to work for the CIA? I don't think so. That would require Horowitz to be able to examine CIA documents and phone records...something Horowitz cannot do.

This is why Durham has stated that such conclusions reached by Horowitz are not credible.

 

[jnug]

Perhaps Horowitz should have left the EC and any questions of motivation into why Crossfire Hurricane was begun to the guy who actually has the power to fully investigate that matter. Furthermore, is Horowitz fully aware of what Strzok was doing during the time that he was assigned to work for the CIA? I don't think so. That would require Horowitz to be able to examine CIA documents and phone records...something Horowitz cannot do.

This is why Durham has stated that such conclusions reached by Horowitz are not credible.

We actually do not know why Durham has made any statements at all at this point. We have a compete DOJIG report and it says what it says.

According to some posters, the IG report was supposed to be EPIC. Does not sound epic to me.

I can understand why Barr is scrambling right now. Has to keep the brown stain on his nose up to snuff.

I fully expect that next we will see Horowitz framed up as a NEVER TRUMPER. Chris Wrey probably about to face the same criticism.

 

[JasperL]

Perhaps Horowitz should have left the EC and any questions of motivation into why Crossfire Hurricane was begun to the guy who actually has the power to fully investigate that matter. Furthermore, is Horowitz fully aware of what Strzok was doing during the time that he was assigned to work for the CIA? I don't think so. That would require Horowitz to be able to examine CIA documents and phone records...something Horowitz cannot do.

This is why Durham has stated that such conclusions reached by Horowitz are not credible.

LOL, who could have guessed you'd dismiss the Horowitz report you've been telling us was coming and would be bad for Democrats for months at least?

Answer: everyone.

 

[ecofarm]

No collusion.

 

[JasperL]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/inspector-general-report-trump-russia-investigation/2019/12/09/d5940d88-184c-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

Also, this:

and:


Of course, Dirtbag and his toadies will focus on the minor stuff that played no part in the investigation. Toady-in-Chief Barr is already dissing Horowitz's report. Horowitz is highly regarded within the DoJ so Barr continues to demean his own department with his horrifically inappropriate politicization of it. He makes what Alberto Gonzalez had to resign over look like kindergarten level corruption.

That's what's a bit stunning is the AG is actively undermining his own IG, and the DoJ as a whole. What's worse from what I see is that he's doing it without providing a basis for it. We're all left to guess why and on what basis he's trashing the IG report. It's pretty remarkable in a very, very bad way IMO.

 

[Rexedgar]

Perhaps Horowitz should have left the EC and any questions of motivation into why Crossfire Hurricane was begun to the guy who actually has the power to fully investigate that matter. Furthermore, is Horowitz fully aware of what Strzok was doing during the time that he was assigned to work for the CIA? I don't think so. That would require Horowitz to be able to examine CIA documents and phone records...something Horowitz cannot do.

This is why Durham has stated that such conclusions reached by Horowitz are not credible.

After Durham, all you’ll have is Rudy’s dirt.........need some gardening tools and seed?

 

[eohrnberger]

Perhaps Horowitz should have left the EC and any questions of motivation into why Crossfire Hurricane was begun to the guy who actually has the power to fully investigate that matter. Furthermore, is Horowitz fully aware of what Strzok was doing during the time that he was assigned to work for the CIA? I don't think so. That would require Horowitz to be able to examine CIA documents and phone records...something Horowitz cannot do.

This is why Durham has stated that such conclusions reached by Horowitz are not credible.

Fair. Hard to reach a complete conclusion without being able to examine the complete set of facts. Sure looks like about 1/2 or more might have been out of Horowitz's reach, and within Durham's and Barr's reach.

 

[Athanasius68]

That's what's a bit stunning is the AG is actively undermining his own IG, and the DoJ as a whole. What's worse from what I see is that he's doing it without providing a basis for it. We're all left to guess why and on what basis he's trashing the IG report. It's pretty remarkable in a very, very bad way IMO.

Barr is suggesting that Horowitz is finding a very thin reed to justify thinking the Trump campaign conspired with Russia-- and thus launching an investigation.

The irony of it is that Mr. Trump is being impeached because he has a thin reed to justify pushing Ukraine to investigate Biden-- and of course no investigation was actually launched.

 

[jnug]

Fair. Hard to reach a complete conclusion without being able to examine the complete set of facts. Sure looks like about 1/2 or more might have been out of Horowitz's reach, and within Durham's and Barr's reach.

Sorry folks....Durham has already tainted whatever he finds by opting for a political announcement ahead of the release of a completed Durham investigation. So Sorry Trumpettes all you are really going to get out of a Durham investigation is more grist for YOUR own silo mill. The rest of us will simply look at it as another element of Trumpian political hackery unless it is absolute iron clad proof of a conspiratorial cabal v Trump and guess what IT WON'T BE.

See what Trump and his allies are willing to give up for political hackery. Lets tarnish what might be a real and valuable investigative effort and instead opt for short term political gain. How much does that sound like the Trump gang prioritizing an announcement of an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma over an actual Investigation? How much does that sound like Barr releasing his "opinion" of the Mueller Report ahead of instead of alongside the Mueller Report which of course allowed Barr to use segment fragments from the Mueller Report and treat them as actual quotes WHICH THEY WERE NOT!

You Boneheads see a trend here or still have your heads stuck in the sand?

 

[haymarket]

Sorry folks....Durham has already tainted whatever he finds by opting for a political announcement ahead of the release of a completed Durham investigation. So Sorry Trumpettes all you are really going to get out of a Durham investigation is more grist for YOUR own silo mill. The rest of us will simply look at it as another element of Trumpian political hackery unless it is absolute iron clad proof of a conspiratorial cabal v Trump and guess what IT WON'T BE.

See what Trump and his allies are willing to give up for political hackery. Lets tarnish what might be a real and valuable investigative effort and instead opt for short term political gain. How much does that sound like the Trump gang prioritizing an announcement of an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma over an actual Investigation? How much does that sound like Barr releasing his "opinion" of the Mueller Report ahead of instead of alongside the Mueller Report which of course allowed Barr to use segment fragments from the Mueller Report and treat them as actual quotes WHICH THEY WERE NOT!

You Boneheads see a trend here or still have your heads stuck in the sand?

Durham and Barr both destroyed any credibility they may have had yesterday - and in the case of Barr that was precious little given his previous performance with the Mueller Report hijacking and distortions.

The IG is not political - Barr most certainly is one of the most political people in Washington. He is a hack in the worst sense of the word and Durham showed he is more than willing to serve his master walking in his same footsteps.

 

[tres borrachos]

Sorry folks....Durham has already tainted whatever he finds by opting for a political announcement ahead of the release of a completed Durham investigation. So Sorry Trumpettes all you are really going to get out of a Durham investigation is more grist for YOUR own silo mill. The rest of us will simply look at it as another element of Trumpian political hackery unless it is absolute iron clad proof of a conspiratorial cabal v Trump and guess what IT WON'T BE.

See what Trump and his allies are willing to give up for political hackery. Lets tarnish what might be a real and valuable investigative effort and instead opt for short term political gain. How much does that sound like the Trump gang prioritizing an announcement of an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma over an actual Investigation? How much does that sound like Barr releasing his "opinion" of the Mueller Report ahead of instead of alongside the Mueller Report which of course allowed Barr to use segment fragments from the Mueller Report and treat them as actual quotes WHICH THEY WERE NOT!

You Boneheads see a trend here or still have your heads stuck in the sand?

You're exactly right. "Taint" is the accurate word for what Durham and Barr did yesterday. There was no need for them to come out and comment on the IG report, especially Dunham, who has an open investigation. He should finish up and then share his opinions with us. I'm sure Trump ordered Barr to do that, and he ordered Durham. And both political flunkies said "Yes, sir.".

 

[3leftsdoo]

The Swamp says the Swamp did nothing wrong.

Shocking.

:roll:

 

[Rexedgar]

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The Swamp says the Swamp did nothing wrong.

Shocking.

:roll:

 

[haymarket]

You're exactly right. "Taint" is the accurate word for what Durham and Barr did yesterday. There was no need for them to come out and comment on the IG report, especially Dunham, who has an open investigation. He should finish up and then share his opinions with us. I'm sure Trump ordered Barr to do that, and he ordered Durham. And both political flunkies said "Yes, sir.".

and their next line is "and it tastes good too".

 

[Athanasius68]

Sorry folks....Durham has already tainted whatever he finds by opting for a political announcement ahead of the release of a completed Durham investigation. So Sorry Trumpettes all you are really going to get out of a Durham investigation is more grist for YOUR own silo mill. The rest of us will simply look at it as another element of Trumpian political hackery unless it is absolute iron clad proof of a conspiratorial cabal v Trump and guess what IT WON'T BE.

See what Trump and his allies are willing to give up for political hackery. Lets tarnish what might be a real and valuable investigative effort and instead opt for short term political gain. How much does that sound like the Trump gang prioritizing an announcement of an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma over an actual Investigation? How much does that sound like Barr releasing his "opinion" of the Mueller Report ahead of instead of alongside the Mueller Report which of course allowed Barr to use segment fragments from the Mueller Report and treat them as actual quotes WHICH THEY WERE NOT!

You Boneheads see a trend here or still have your heads stuck in the sand?

Sorry-- Durham's comment was hardly political. He dissagrees with there being no criminal activity involved.

I do agree that focusing on criminal activity is the wrong way to go. As the IG report indicated, there was a very thin reed for the FBI to think that Trump was conspiring with Russia. As Barr pointed out, the mistakes made during the investigation all seemed to go in the favor of the theory that Trump had conspired with Russia.
As the current impeachment hearing indicates, even thinking about investigating a political opponent can merit removal from office (the 'death penalty"). The standards for actually investigating a candidate should be much higher.

 

[jnug]

Sorry-- Durham's comment was hardly political. He dissagrees with there being no criminal activity involved.

I do agree that focusing on criminal activity is the wrong way to go. As the IG report indicated, there was a very thin reed for the FBI to think that Trump was conspiring with Russia. As Barr pointed out, the mistakes made during the investigation all seemed to go in the favor of the theory that Trump had conspired with Russia.
As the current impeachment hearing indicates, even thinking about investigating a political opponent can merit removal from office (the 'death penalty"). The standards for actually investigating a candidate should be much higher.

It was entirely political because there is no valid reason for a Prosecutor in the middle of his investigation to make a public comment suggesting that he has a big boner in his pants that he is at some point in the future going to drive into the IG's report's rear end. Sorry...completely and entirely political...has completely tainted whatever future material Durham comes forward and presents.

As I said earlier, this is another example of Trump and Trumpettes giving up all semblance of credibility for a short term political gain, in this case trying to mitigate the effect of an IG report that just eviscerated the Trumpian garbage about the Russia Investigation including the following:

- Spying....NOPE
- Deep state cabal involving the FBI....NOPE
- Political bias effecting the investigation.....NOPE
- unsupported FISA Warrants.....NOPE
- bias against Trump at the top of the FBI.....NOPE
- Steele Dossier having been the launching point for the Investigation .....NOPE
- Trump wire tapped.....NOPE

None of that was validated and in fact is contradicted no matter how much Trump wails about it and Barr blathers about it.

Durham just joined the wailing and blathering campaign and gave up his credibility as a Prosecutor in order to join up.

 

[JasperL]

Barr is suggesting that Horowitz is finding a very thin reed to justify thinking the Trump campaign conspired with Russia-- and thus launching an investigation.

If Barr has the evidence he should get off his fat ass and present it, or keep his mouth shut until he can. In the meantime he's undermining his IG, the process itself, and working like heck to throw the DoJ as an institution under the bus to protect his corrupt client, Trump. Barr is simply a disgrace. He's torching any notion of the DoJ under his leadership being anything other than a GOP reelection arm and defense team for Trump.

 

[US&THEM]

Sorry-- Durham's comment was hardly political. He dissagrees with there being no criminal activity involved.

I do agree that focusing on criminal activity is the wrong way to go. As the IG report indicated, there was a very thin reed for the FBI to think that Trump was conspiring with Russia. As Barr pointed out, the mistakes made during the investigation all seemed to go in the favor of the theory that Trump had conspired with Russia.
As the current impeachment hearing indicates, even thinking about investigating a political opponent can merit removal from office (the 'death penalty"). The standards for actually investigating a candidate should be much higher.

I question Barr’s motives and his lack of understanding, when law enforcement does an investigation you go where the evidence takes you. The size of the investigation was massive, it is easy to be a Monday Morning QB.

Not sure I understand why Durham needs to make any statements at all? Mueller never leaked nor responded to the press, that is what a confident person does in the face of any type of media

 

[Lutherf]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/inspector-general-report-trump-russia-investigation/2019/12/09/d5940d88-184c-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

Also, this:

and:


Of course, Dirtbag and his toadies will focus on the minor stuff that played no part in the investigation. Toady-in-Chief Barr is already dissing Horowitz's report. Horowitz is highly regarded within the DoJ so Barr continues to demean his own department with his horrifically inappropriate politicization of it. He makes what Alberto Gonzalez had to resign over look like kindergarten level corruption.

I once had reason to believe that one of my employees was stealing from me. I opened an investigation and started surveillance. Shortly after things got rolling I found that my reasons for believing that theft was happening I discovered that my original information wasn’t all that good but I kept investigating. Further along in the investigation I found that others with a bias against that employee had been feeding me incomplete and unverified information but I kept on investigating. As time went by my basis for investigating got weaker and weaker but, undeterred, I kept on investigating and hired a private investigator. I only told that investigator that I believed the employee was stealing and forgot to mention all the stuff that contradicted that opinion. The investigator dug around and provided me no additional information that the employee was stealing but I kept renewing his contract because I KNEW that the employee was stealing.

Did I have any bias in my investigation?

 

[Lutherf]

We actually do not know why Durham has made any statements at all at this point. We have a compete DOJIG report and it says what it says.

According to some posters, the IG report was supposed to be EPIC. Does not sound epic to me.

I can understand why Barr is scrambling right now. Has to keep the brown stain on his nose up to snuff.

I fully expect that next we will see Horowitz framed up as a NEVER TRUMPER. Chris Wrey probably about to face the same criticism.

It cited myriad failings which resulted in people who make decisions, including the FISC, to get inaccurate, incomplete and unverified information on which to base those decisions. It also implies that some of those decision makers should have known or suspected that the information was less than reliable. Most damning is that even when the shortcomings in the information being received were revealed it was STILL allowed to be used as a basis to continue the investigation. That’s pretty “epic” when you’re talking about the FBI investigating a presidential candidate and then an elected president.

 

[digitusmedius]

Perhaps Horowitz should have left the EC and any questions of motivation into why Crossfire Hurricane was begun to the guy who actually has the power to fully investigate that matter. Furthermore, is Horowitz fully aware of what Strzok was doing during the time that he was assigned to work for the CIA? I don't think so. That would require Horowitz to be able to examine CIA documents and phone records...something Horowitz cannot do.

This is why Durham has stated that such conclusions reached by Horowitz are not credible.

That's it. Continue the lying in spite of all the evidence against you and your Dear Dirtbag. After all, that's what cults are for, right?

 

[digitusmedius]

The Swamp says the Swamp did nothing wrong.

Shocking.

:roll:

Very good work for the Cult of Dirtbag.

 

[US&THEM]

It cited myriad failings which resulted in people who make decisions, including the FISC, to get inaccurate, incomplete and unverified information on which to base those decisions. It also implies that some of those decision makers should have known or suspected that the information was less than reliable. Most damning is that even when the shortcomings in the information being received were revealed it was STILL allowed to be used as a basis to continue the investigation. That’s pretty “epic” when you’re talking about the FBI investigating a presidential candidate and then an elected president.

Then revamp FISA. If this IG report would have stated zero issues you would be yelling it is impossible to have a perfect investigation, the IG pointed out an idiot FBI lawyer who edited an email, it was a dumb thing to do and he will be charged criminally. The IG report also pointed out things that should have been better too.

 

[digitusmedius]

Sorry-- Durham's comment was hardly political. He dissagrees with there being no criminal activity involved.

I do agree that focusing on criminal activity is the wrong way to go. As the IG report indicated, there was a very thin reed for the FBI to think that Trump was conspiring with Russia. As Barr pointed out, the mistakes made during the investigation all seemed to go in the favor of the theory that Trump had conspired with Russia.
As the current impeachment hearing indicates, even thinking about investigating a political opponent can merit removal from office (the 'death penalty"). The standards for actually investigating a candidate should be much higher.

You are doing great work for your Dear Dirtbag's cause. The Cult appreciates your dedication.