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Hydroxychloroquine rated most effective COVID-19 treatment.

Why would we use an antimalarial against the "common cold"?


Casca XV said:
Actually, Corona virus causes the "common cold" read any medical article published before the current crisis and it will make that clear. Despite what the name suggests it can be very serious with liquid in the lungs and fever and can kill people with underlying other health problems. I'm having a hard time seeing the difference between the "common cold" and covid-19. I think there is a chance that after we know more we will discover that is all it was the whole time.
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Nuff said.
 
RAMOSS said:
YOu do realize that polls are totally worthless when it comes to choosing the actual effectiveness of a medicine. Double blind tests would be needed.


And, you should really vet your sources. The NYPOST is horrible when it comes to this thing known as 'facts'
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Doctors from every corner of earth are using it and have nothing but good to say about it's results.

Just take the "L" you look like an embittered idiot that will never admit he was wrong. Have some dignity and walk away.
 
Casca XV said:
Doctors from every corner of earth are using it and have nothing but good to say about it's results.

Just take the "L" you look like an embittered idiot that will never admit he was wrong. Have some dignity as walk away.
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Surveys can be very useful but they are much more like a type of anecdotal evidence:

Anecdotal evidence - Wikipedia

To really prove the efficacy of a drug regimen scientists conduct a blinded experiment.

Blinded experiment - Wikipedia

In a blind or blinded experiment, information which may influence the participants of the experiment is withheld (masked or blinded) until after the experiment is complete. Good blinding can reduce or eliminate experimental biases that arise from a participants' expectations, observer's effect on the participants, observer bias, confirmation bias, and other sources. A blind can be imposed on any participant of an experiment, including subjects, researchers, technicians, data analysts, and evaluators. In some cases, while blinding would be useful, it is impossible or unethical. For example, it is not possible to blind a patient to their treatment in a physical therapy intervention. A good clinical protocol ensures that blinding is as effective as possible within ethical and practical constraints.

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Blinding is an important tool of the scientific method, and is used in many fields of research. In some fields, such as medicine, it is considered essential. In clinical research, a trial that is not a blinded trial is called an open trial.

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Blinding is considered essential in medicine, but is often difficult to achieve. For example, it is difficult to compare surgical and non-surgical interventions in blind trials. In some cases, sham surgery may be necessary for the blinding process. A good clinical protocol ensures that blinding is as effective as possible within ethical and practical constraints.
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There is no "L" for RAMOSS to take.

The problem in this thread is you.

You are ignorant about how medical research is conducted.

This survey is interesting, but it's not the kind of thing you can form a conclusive opinion about.

For that, you need to conduct a blinded experiment.
 
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Nuff said? About cv19 treatments without clinical trials? Good lord. Maybe use some chicken feet and say a prayer...surely in some communities that polls high too.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Surveys can be very useful but they are much more like a type of anecdotal evidence:

Anecdotal evidence - Wikipedia

To really prove the efficacy of a drug regimen scientists conduct a blinded experiment.

Blinded experiment - Wikipedia



There is no "L" for RAMOSS to take.

The problem in this thread is you.

You are ignorant about how medical research is conducted.

This survey is interesting, but it's not the kind of thing you can form a conclusive opinion about.

For that, you need to conduct a blinded experiment.
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The 6227 Doctors who actually treat Corona Patients call BS on that.
 
Casca XV said:
Doctors from every corner of earth are using it and have nothing but good to say about it's results.

Just take the "L" you look like an embittered idiot that will never admit he was wrong. Have some dignity and walk away.
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Your claims are null and void. While it might work, a poll is not a valid form of figuring out if it does, and the NY post is still not accurate when it comes to facts. I will point out 1) sample size of less than 7000, 2) No real controls in place / 3) Sermo , the polling company, makes it's money via marketing promotions.

So, the source of hte polls (sermo.com) is suspect due to it's background and how it gets it's money. NY Post is not a very good source for accurate information to begin with.

WHile hoxoxcholoquine might be the answer, using a poll, or nypost or sermo as sources is highly suspect.
 
Mach said:
Nuff said? About cv19 treatments without clinical trials? Good lord. Maybe use some chicken feet and say a prayer...surely in some communities that polls high too.
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No Chickens, just an anti-viral drug that every Doctor who ever tried it vouches for, is enough.
 
Casca XV said:
The 6227 Doctors who actually treat Corona Patients call BS on that.
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Casca XV said:
It's a antiviral drug. both are caused by a virus.

Now it's just getting sad.
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What is sad is you obviously have no more than an 8th-grade education and you are trying to pretend you know more than scientists who have conducted medical research for decades.

Stop it.
 
RAMOSS said:
Your claims are null and void. While it might work, a poll is not a valid form of figuring out if it does, and the NY post is still not accurate when it comes to facts. I will point out 1) sample size of less than 7000, 2) No real controls in place / 3) Sermo , the polling company, makes it's money via marketing promotions.

So, the source of hte polls (sermo.com) is suspect due to it's background and how it gets it's money. NY Post is not a very good source for accurate information to begin with.

WHile hoxoxcholoquine might be the answer, using a poll, or nypost or sermo as sources is highly suspect.
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Hay RAMOSS,,,, Like with Hydroxychloroquine, President Trump just came out in favor of Oxygen. That means you must oppose it and stop breathing.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
What is sad is you obviously have no more than an 8th-grade education and you are trying to pretend you know more than scientists who have conducted medical research for decades.

Stop it.
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What's it like being out maneuvered by an 8th grader?
 
Casca XV said:
Hay RAMOSS,,,, Like with Hydroxychloroquine, President Trump just came out in favor of Oxygen. That means you must oppose it and stop breathing.
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ANd, where are the double blind tests and the hard data?
 
It's funny to actually watch this.

The Trump haters now are super skeptical on the use of hydroxychloroquine, just because Trump said it may work. If he hadn't said a thing, they wouldn't care one way or another, they'd just read about the successes of using the drug.

But now, they hate it. It can't be working, and they will resist all reports that it is, and pray for reports of people dying after using it. Because they so desperately need to blame Trump. Blame him for anything they can, then move on and attack on something else.

If this drug ends up being a great help in the fight against the Wuhan virus, then, they never heard of it. Hydro what? Never said a thing. What a bunch of phony suckers. This is the standard MO of today's Democrat/Socialist. And these clowns would be the first ones screaming to get the drug if they got a serious case of the virus from China. Pathetic.
 
Casca XV said:
No Chickens, just an anti-viral drug that every Doctor who ever tried it vouches for, is enough.
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The poll said 37 percent. THat makes the 'every doctor who ever tried it vouches for it' misinformation.
 
RAMOSS said:
ANd, where are the double blind tests and the hard data?
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In normal times multi years of testing would be fine.

This is a 75 year old well refined drug that is already about as risky to ingest as aspirin. With Doctors prescribing, those microscopic possible risks go to zero.

Over 6000 doctors are reporting it works great for treating and even preventing COVID-19.

The people who have any reservations at all are Govt Bureaucrats who are more concerned with procedure than results.

The fact is: many on the Left see this crisis as an opportunity and are hostile to anything that might end the crisis early. Trump speaking in favor of it just brings that hostility up to rage level 10.
 
Anthony60 said:
It's funny to actually watch this.

The Trump haters now are super skeptical on the use of hydroxychloroquine, just because Trump said it may work. If he hadn't said a thing, they wouldn't care one way or another, they'd just read about the successes of using the drug.

But now, they hate it. It can't be working, and they will resist all reports that it is, and pray for reports of people dying after using it. Because they so desperately need to blame Trump. Blame him for anything they can, then move on and attack on something else.

If this drug ends up being a great help in the fight against the Wuhan virus, then, they never heard of it. Hydro what? Never said a thing. What a bunch of phony suckers. This is the standard MO of today's Democrat/Socialist. And these clowns would be the first ones screaming to get the drug if they got a serious case of the virus from China. Pathetic.
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What does trump have to do with the fact there is no completed clinical trials on it yet?
 
RAMOSS said:
The poll said 37 percent. THat makes the 'every doctor who ever tried it vouches for it' misinformation.
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If you had clicked the link you would have seen there are two other drugs everyone likes as well. They are rating which is best. None are rated as bad.
 
Casca XV said:
In normal times multi years of testing would be fine.

This is a 75 year old well refined drug that is already about as risky to ingest as aspirin. With Doctors prescribing, those microscopic possible risks go to zero.

Over 6000 doctors are reporting it works great for treating and even preventing COVID-19.

The people who have any reservations at all are Govt Bureaucrats who are more concerned with procedure than results.

The fact is: many on the Left see this crisis as an opportunity and are hostile to anything that might end the crisis early. Trump speaking in favor of it just brings that hostility up to rage level 10.
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That claim is highly irrational, and more concerned about politics than worrying about facts. When it comes to a treatment, and how well it works, politics does not mean anything. What matters is double blind tests and clinical trials, not opinion polls from a firm that makes it's money via marketing drugs.
 
Casca XV said:
If you had clicked the link you would have seen there are two other drugs everyone likes as well. They are rating which is best. None are rated as bad.
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And, when it comes to how well any of those drugs work, opinion is not valid. You need double blind tests and clinical trials. We can HOPE they work, but what has to be done is actual testing to get rid of confirmation bias of the doctors, and get the actual numbers.
 
RAMOSS said:
What does trump have to do with the fact there is no completed clinical trials on it yet?
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Doctors found that these drugs originally meant for other ailments also worked well for COVID-19. Trump heard about it and expressed optimism which triggered Leftists.

They started using penicillin during WW2 with no clinical trials. It saved thousands of lives.
 
RAMOSS said:
And, when it comes to how well any of those drugs work, opinion is not valid. You need double blind tests and clinical trials. We can HOPE they work, but what has to be done is actual testing to get rid of confirmation bias of the doctors, and get the actual numbers.
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It don't matter what you think. Everyone who matters is going forward with treatment. Even the Democrat Governors who banned it in their state have reversed themselves.
 
Casca XV said:
Doctors found that these drugs originally meant for other ailments also worked well for COVID-19. Trump heard about it and expressed optimism which triggered Leftists.

They started using penicillin during WW2 with no clinical trials. It saved thousands of lives.
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Yes, they did. They do have the advantage of having passed toxicology tests, and they know the doses that would harm the patient, verses something that is brand new. I am not saying these drugs don't have either advantages .. IF they work. Triggered leftists is just partisan nonsense. What matters is clinical trials to test the drugs. NY is doing trials of various drugs to see what works. I HOPE they work. But, my hope is not relevant to if they do or not. Nor is an opinion poll conducted by a firm that markets drugs being promoted by a news paper that is very bad when it comes to accuracy.

Give me clinical trials, and not an opinion poll. THen, well, it would be 'enough said'. .. particularly if it is in comparison with at least 2 or 3 other drugs.
 
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