FEMA camps!

[Jerry]

The Conspiricy:​

The United States Federal Emergency Management Agency has numerous detainment camps throughout the United States. Some camps have been recently constructed and/or renovated and are fully staffed. The existence of the camps coupled with Presidential Executive Orders giving the President and Department of Homeland Security (of which FEMA is now part) control over ‘national essential functions’ in the event of ‘catastrophic emergency’ have resulted in concerns that the camps will be used to forcefully detain American citizens for unconstitutional purposes.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4"]YouTube - FEMA Camp Footage (Concentrations Camps in USA)[/ame]

Readiness Exercise 1984 (REX-84) is an emergency response program involving the implementation of martial law, the movement of civilian populations and the arrest and detainment of segments of the population. A rehearsal of the program was carried out April 5-13, 1984. It was led by FEMA and the Department of Defense and involved the coordination of 34 other Federal departments and agencies. REX-84 was mentioned during the Iran-Contra hearings and publicly exposed by the Miami Herald on Sunday July 5th, 1987.

Similar large-scale emergency preparedness drills have taken place regularly since then. The most recently announced, organized by NORTHCOM, are scheduled for October 15-20. Some assert that the drills continue to include preparations for the suspension of the Constitution and the implementation of martial law.

Operation Garden Plot is a United States Army and National Guard program under control of the US Northern Command (NORTHCOM) to provide Federal military support during domestic civil disturbances. One example of the program’s implementation was during the 1992 Los Angeles riots when US Army and Marine forces were used in conjunction with the California National Guard. In Los Angeles an Executive Order was made to permit the use of the Federal army to uphold domestic laws pursuant to the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, which places restrictions on the domestic use of the military for law enforcement purposes.

Recently, however, Section 1076 Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) has amended Posse Comitatus and The Insurrection Act (which also places limits on domestic military deployment) to allow the Federal government to unilaterally take control of state National Guards and position Federal troops anywhere in the country during a ‘public emergency’.

Throughout the 1960s numerous Presidential Executive Orders were issued authorizing Federal agencies to take over essential functions in the case of a declared emergency. The powers include, among many others, the authority of the Federal government to take over transportation infrastructure including highways and seaports (10990), food resources and farms (10998) and mobilize citizens into government supervised work brigades (11000).

On May 9, 2007 President George Bush reasserted the role of the Federal government during a declared emergency by issuing Executive Order NSPD 51/ HSPD-20. The Order states that in the event of a ‘catastrophic emergency’ all ‘national essential functions’ may be taken over by the Executive branch of government and the Department of Homeland Security (including FEMA).

• Reynolds, Diana. “The Rise of the National Security State: FEMA and the NSC.” Publiceye.org. 1990 <http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/fema/Fema_1.html>.
  
  [*]“Suspension of American Constitution Oliver North.”
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• Chardy, Alfonso. “Reagan Aides and the ‘Secret’ Government.” The Miami Herald. 5 July 1987 http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/secret_white_house_plans.htm>.
  
• United States Northern Command. “Exercise Vigilant Shield ’08 slated for October.” 30 August 2007 http://www.northcom.mil/News/2007/083007.html>.
  
• Rogers, Lee. “NORTHCOM Plans 5 Day Martial Law Exercise.” Intel Strike. 5 September 2007 http://intelstrike.com/?p=57>.
  
• Global Security. “Operation Garden Plot JTF-LAJoint Task Force Los Angeles”<http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/jtf-la.htm>.
  
• Morales, Frank. “U.S. Military Civil Disturbance Planning: The War At Home” Covert Action Quarterly, #69 Spring / Summer 2000. http://cryptome.org/garden-plot.htm>.
  
• Morales, Frank. “Bush Moves Towards Martial Law” Toward Freedom. 26 October 2006 <http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/>.
  
• Anonymous. “FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders” Friends of Liberty. http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062>.
  
• The White House. “Presidential Directive NSPD 51, HSPD-20.” 9 May 2007 <http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html>.
  

The Truth:​

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vecUYYHUzP0"]YouTube - Glenn Beck & Popular Mechanics "Debunk" FEMA Camps[/ame]

That wasn't so hard :2wave:

 

[BmanMcfly]

The funny thing is, Alex Jones happened to have debunked Glen Becks take on this several hours prior to the airing of the show.

He said specifically that they would debunk using the knwon fradulent camps and never talking about the REAL camps... It was actually pretty entertaining to hear first the pre-debunking and then seeing glen beck in action.

ones like described in http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf
are obviously not going to be visited.... take a look at your local post office when you drive past.... did they install barbed wire yet??

It's ok though, Glen Beck says that the camps are a misunderstanding.... he didn't show the video of the coffins :

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqjykY5wPk"]YouTube - Alex Jones - 500,000 Plastic Coffins[/ame]

Then again, you'd probably say that Alex Jones bought those coffins or it's CG or something...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_TV-Fl9RiA"]YouTube - Alex Jones Tv 1/7:The NSC, Military Checkpoints & Yes Glenn Beck, FEMA Camps are Real !![/ame]
(It's part 1 of 7, so if you want to watch the rest just follow the order from the player.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

It's ok though, Glen Beck says that the camps are a misunderstanding.... he didn't show the video of the coffins :

And, according to Vantage Products Corporation Vice President of Operations Michael Lacey, that’s exactly when the calls started pouring in.

“It’s been going on for quite a while, about a week,” Lacey said.

Lacey maintains that the theories regarding the property, and what’s on it, aren’t quite accurate.

The “coffins” aren’t coffins at all, according to Lacey. Instead, they are burial vaults, “the outer container for caskets,” Lacey said, placed in the ground before the coffin to protect the coffin and maintain level ground above.

There are currently 50,000 of these burial vaults on the property, according to Lacey. As the vaults were placed on the site around 1997 or 1998, there may have been as many as 70,000 or 80,000 to begin with.

“It’s nowhere near the quantity they talk about on the Internet,” Lacey said.

This quantity of burial vaults, Vantage’s Standard Air Seal model in black, also the least expensive model and the most in-demand, was made to cater to what Lacey calls the funeral industry’s “pre-need.” This “pre-need” occurs when people make arrangements for their funeral before they actually pass away, so that the family doesn’t have to go through the perceived stress of making the arrangements. When these arrangements are made, the products are paid for; obviously, though, they are not yet needed.

So, Vantage stores the product until the person dies, and the product is needed.

Further, pallets of the burial vaults are moved truckloads at a time, as there is space for a palate at the

Contrary to the beliefs of the theorists, then, the burial vaults aren’t owned by the government, or FEMA. Instead, they’re owned by individuals, or not yet sold.

“They’re not owned by any one individual, company or the government,” Lacey said.

Further, Vantage leases the land, located at 1200 Madison Industrial Boulevard, from Conyers Welding & Supply and has for four to five years, a fact confirmed by Conyers Welding & Supply. Conyers Welding & Supply took over the lease when the property was purchased from Robert Usury in 2000. Usury purchased the property in 1989, according to information provided by the Morgan County Tax Assessor’s Office and the Morgan County Online Public Property Portal.

The answer as to why the vaults are being stored in Madison? To put it simply, the Covington-based manufacturer got a good deal close to home.
“It was the most cost-effective place,” Lacey said.

http://www.morgancountycitizen.com/?q=node/7524


*YAWN*

 

[BmanMcfly]

And, according to Vantage Products Corporation Vice President of Operations Michael Lacey, that’s exactly when the calls started pouring in.

“It’s been going on for quite a while, about a week,” Lacey said.

Lacey maintains that the theories regarding the property, and what’s on it, aren’t quite accurate.

The “coffins” aren’t coffins at all, according to Lacey. Instead, they are burial vaults, “the outer container for caskets,” Lacey said, placed in the ground before the coffin to protect the coffin and maintain level ground above.

Something like this could be dual-use... I mean, if they are stocking up these coffine liners because they know a lot of people are going to be buried, sure baby boomers are getting old, and there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone would be buried.

So, it could be the legitimate 'casket-liner' to fit 1 person... OR, if so many people die they are big enough to hold 3-5 people per liner, with reinforced lids so that they could be buried in stacks.

There are currently 50,000 of these burial vaults on the property, according to Lacey. As the vaults were placed on the site around 1997 or 1998, there may have been as many as 70,000 or 80,000 to begin with.

So, admittedly these coffins are being stocked up more and more.

“It’s nowhere near the quantity they talk about on the Internet,” Lacey said.

This quantity of burial vaults, Vantage’s Standard Air Seal model in black, also the least expensive model and the most in-demand, was made to cater to what Lacey calls the funeral industry’s “pre-need.” This “pre-need” occurs when people make arrangements for their funeral before they actually pass away, so that the family doesn’t have to go through the perceived stress of making the arrangements. When these arrangements are made, the products are paid for; obviously, though, they are not yet needed.

So, Vantage stores the product until the person dies, and the product is needed.

That's reasonable... so 10's of thousands of people all prepare for their funeerals by buying the cheapest casket-liner available... seemingly per year?

Further, pallets of the burial vaults are moved truckloads at a time, as there is space for a palate at the

Contrary to the beliefs of the theorists, then, the burial vaults aren’t owned by the government, or FEMA. Instead, they’re owned by individuals, or not yet sold.

“They’re not owned by any one individual, company or the government,” Lacey said.

Further, Vantage leases the land, located at 1200 Madison Industrial Boulevard, from Conyers Welding & Supply and has for four to five years, a fact confirmed by Conyers Welding & Supply. Conyers Welding & Supply took over the lease when the property was purchased from Robert Usury in 2000. Usury purchased the property in 1989, according to information provided by the Morgan County Tax Assessor’s Office and the Morgan County Online Public Property Portal.

The answer as to why the vaults are being stored in Madison? To put it simply, the Covington-based manufacturer got a good deal close to home.
“It was the most cost-effective place,” Lacey said.

Conspiracy or simply storage? | Morgan County Citizen Online


*YAWN*

But it's not just the coffins :
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tevCNjgxnhs&feature=related"]YouTube - Mass Graves Phoenix Arizona[/ame]

The person that filmed this was interviewed, saying that prior to filming this, he had talked with a trucker that was working on the site. He said that these were 'burial vaults'.. they are buried in the ground, and can hold a number of caskets designed for 'military returning from war'... Which, if true could house in the area of another 5000 or so dead in caskets.... However, if the death exceeds the ability to put them in caskets... each vault could hold probably up to a hundred or so people.

But, you ARE right in the sense that there isn't necessarily anything nefarious about these coffins. A common thread was in case of bird flu... meanwhile, Baxter was recently caught nerely unleashing a 'bird flu vaccine' that contained both the H5N1 and H3n2 viruses (one is 60% fatal but difficult to catch, the other is highly virulent but not very fatal.... had they merged, you might very well have ended up with a highly virulent bird flu that kills 60% of the people that come in contact with it)

What stopped it?? At the last stage prior to giving to the public, a sub-contractor tested the vaccine on a ferret... the ferret DIED from exposure to the vaccine and so the tests were done.

I've started a thread already on this subject (search baxter bird flu)

EDIT : I'm glad you didn't TOUCH the meat of what I was saying.... you didn't check the PDF file from army.mil, I can't say I blame you for not watching the whole alex jones PRE-debunk of Glen Beck, since it's about an hour and a half worth of documentation proving the existance of these camps, even some of their locations (hint : Not the fake ones that Glen Beck 'exposed'), the executive orders, the 'continuity of government', martial law, newsstories exposing these plans, and so on, If I had about 3-4 hours to spare, I'd go and link to each one of the documents that was brought up.

 

[Goshin]

This ones been out there for several years.

Back about 2003 or so, a buddy of mine got concerned enough to do his own research. He spent a lot of his own time and money trying to track down one single "citizen internment camp" or "FEMA prison" over the course of a couple years. He found not one single legitimate example.

I won't name him since someone might know him, but I trust this man. He's like a bulldog when he gets his teeth in something, and if he didn't find any camps, there weren't any, imho.

G.

 

[BmanMcfly]

This ones been out there for several years.

Back about 2003 or so, a buddy of mine got concerned enough to do his own research. He spent a lot of his own time and money trying to track down one single "citizen internment camp" or "FEMA prison" over the course of a couple years. He found not one single legitimate example.

I won't name him since someone might know him, but I trust this man. He's like a bulldog when he gets his teeth in something, and if he didn't find any camps, there weren't any, imho.

G.

All due respect with your friend... but go look at the pdf that I linked earlier... it says specifically WHERE some of these civilian inmate camps are located, and that they are located on military installations.