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JD1965

JD1965

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I want to reason with fellow Americans about why the Article V Convention exists and what will happen when one is called by the Congress.
 
JD1965 said:
I want to reason with fellow Americans about why the Article V Convention exists and what will happen when one is called by the Congress.
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Start it off.
 
Harshaw said:
Start it off.
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Back in the day there were Federalists and Anti-Federalists. Today there are Conventionists and Anti-Conventionists. We've had over fifty years of the New York Times and other mainstream sources telling Americans that if the Article V Convention is ever called, it will re-write the Constitution, as if no checks on the process exist. Now we have a situation where, clearly, the folks in Washington DC are acting for private/corporate interests and not for the people, and yet people still fear a convention. How is that?
 
Harshaw said:
Start it off.
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To start it off, we are on a planet, it has countries, those countries have high law, and here in the USA it's the Constitution.

In the fifth article of our high law is a clause which allows for a non-binding deliberative assembly, properly referred to and spelled as a proper noun, the Article V Convention. Lots of folks have been taught to fear it as a "constitutional convention" when that's not what we're talking about.
 
JD1965 said:
To start it off, we are on a planet, it has countries, those countries have high law, and here in the USA it's the Constitution.

In the fifth article of our high law is a clause which allows for a non-binding deliberative assembly, properly referred to and spelled as a proper noun, the Article V Convention. Lots of folks have been taught to fear it as a "constitutional convention" when that's not what we're talking about.
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Well, that's not a very helpful start to what you say you want to be a "reasonable" discussion. There was no reason to be sarcastic.

"Let's talk about Article V" doesn't spearhead a conversation. What ABOUT Article V do you want to discuss?
 
Are you proposing an Amendment?

Are you noting the passage of the ERA?
 
Harshaw said:
Well, that's not a very helpful start to what you say you want to be a "reasonable" discussion. There was no reason to be sarcastic.

"Let's talk about Article V" doesn't spearhead a conversation. What ABOUT Article V do you want to discuss?
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I wasn't being sarcastic. I want to talk about why there is nothing to fear and everything to gain through the Article V Convention process.
 
ecofarm said:
Are you proposing an Amendment?

Are you noting the passage of the ERA?
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If I did propose one, it would be concerned with electoral reform, to remove private money from public offices. Do you fear a convention, ecofarm, and if so, why?
 
JD1965 said:
If I did propose one, it would be concerned with electoral reform, to remove private money from public offices. Do you fear a convention, ecofarm, and if so, why?
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I do not fear a convention. Except Comicon because those people are ****ing weird. ;)
 
JD1965 said:
I wasn't being sarcastic. I want to talk about why there is nothing to fear and everything to gain through the Article V Convention process.
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Why would anyone have reasons to fear the calling of a convention ?
 
ecofarm said:
I do not fear a convention. Except Comicon because those people are ****ing weird. ;)
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Have seen photos over the years, but never been :)

But convention, is it kind of a fringe issue that you don't bring up unless someone else does? Just curious what your experience of Article V is. Is it a possibility to your mind?
 
JD1965 said:
Have seen photos over the years, but never been :)

But convention, is it kind of a fringe issue that you don't bring up unless someone else does? Just curious what your experience of Article V is. Is it a possibility to your mind?
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I don't recall specific discussions or debates about an AV Convention here. A Convention seems entirely possible to me. Looks like you found a niche. Bust a move.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't recall specific discussions or debates about an AV Convention here. A Convention seems entirely possible to me. Looks like you found a niche. Bust a move.
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Wow, that's interesting. Well, it is 2020, and we do have all types of flim-flam going on that even the most innocent of citizens can be annoyed by....

Regarding the ERA, really hoping those in favor can lock onto Article V as the quickest way to accomplish that, now that the Congressional Research Service advises that it must be proposed anew.
 
JD1965 said:
I want to reason with fellow Americans about why the Article V Convention exists and what will happen when one is called by the Congress.
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There is not going to be an Article V convention any time in the foreseeable future, so I really don't worry much about it.
 
JD1965 said:
I wasn't being sarcastic. I want to talk about why there is nothing to fear and everything to gain through the Article V Convention process.
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Why do you think anyone "fears" it?
 
Harshaw said:
Why do you think anyone "fears" it?
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I tend to have some amount of trepidation at the thought of anyone ****ing with my constitution. Look at some of the people who have been elected to higher office, then think about the people who voted for them making changes to our constitution...
 
Redress said:
There is not going to be an Article V convention any time in the foreseeable future,
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Thanks for your reply Redress. What type of signals would you have to get before you considered it a possibility? Lots of folks think along with you in this regard, I'm just curious what type of things would have to happen for them/you to consider the issue seriously.

Also, let's say for the moment you are incorrect, and Congress issues the call next week. Would you consider being a delegate from your state, and if so, what type of amendment would you work for?
 
Redress said:
I tend to have some amount of trepidation at the thought of anyone ****ing with my constitution. Look at some of the people who have been elected to higher office, then think about the people who voted for them making changes to our constitution...
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There is only one thing that can **** with the Constitution, that would be thirty-eight states from across a huge, regionalized country joining in agreement. Many are under the impression that paid shills will re-write and ratify without consent of 75%+ of the states.
 
Redress said:
I tend to have some amount of trepidation at the thought of anyone ****ing with my constitution. Look at some of the people who have been elected to higher office, then think about the people who voted for them making changes to our constitution...
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Whatever they propose still has to be ratified by 3/4 of the states.
 
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