Clinton and NYT Whine--BUT They Use SAME TAX BREAK he did.

[Vox]

This is so hilarious. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Not only did Hillary Clinton use exactly the same tax avoidance scheme that Trump did........
Her buddies at the New York Times used it too!!!

The EXACT same tax break they complained about HIM using!

Clinton and her NYT buddies = Hypocritical Jackasses.

(And stupid.)

Odd, isn't it? I mean how the Media are not reporting this.

Hypocrisy Reigns as New York Times Pays No Income Taxes Yet Attacks Trump's Taxes

 

[Captain Adverse]

This is so hilarious. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Not only did Hillary Clinton use exactly the same tax avoidance scheme that Trump did........
Her buddies at the New York Times used it too!!!

The EXACT same tax break they complained about HIM using!

Clinton and her NYT buddies = Hypocritical Jackasses.

(And stupid.)

Odd, isn't it? I mean how the Media are not reporting this.

Hypocrisy Reigns as New York Times Pays No Income Taxes Yet Attacks Trump's Taxes

This is the part that came to my mind when the story first aired about Trump's "special (possible) 10 year tax break:"

In addition to that failure to inform, the Times omitted any reference to the fact that half of Americans filing income tax returns pay no income taxes. Finally, the “paper of record” didn’t mention all the taxes that Trump and his companies DO pay, and have paid, over the years: payroll taxes, property taxes, inventory taxes, import taxes, unemployment insurance premiums, and so on. Nor was there any mention of all the jobs he created building his empire, each of which did generate income taxes for states and the federal government along the way.

Hypocrisy Reigns as New York Times Pays No Income Taxes Yet Attacks Trump's Taxes

It's always amusing when we see the old "pot calling the kettle black" backfire on them. :coffeepap:

 

[shrubnose]

Reporting 'all of the news that's fit to print' isn't whining but when it comes to politics just about every story gets spun.

:lol:

 

[Cardinal]

Hilarious indeed.

Except using tax deductions in itself isn't and never has been the problem.* It's a point of contention because Trump has held no political office and his claim to qualification for being President is his wealth and success in business, the facts of which he has made a point to obscure.

Combined with his statement that executives "get away with murder and pay little or no taxes," his hypocrisy comes through in a myriad of ways, such as

1)He himself "gets away with murder" by paying no taxes.
2)He claimed this was "smart" when cornered in the debate.
3)Which he subsequently backtracked on after the debate by claiming he pays Federal taxes
4)None of his proposed policies fixes the problem that executives "get away with murder and pay little or no taxes." And of course...
5)This contradicts the aura of the master businessman he's always touted (but never backed up)

Any narrative he attempts to create regarding his business and his taxes is hopeless twisted and impaled on itself.

The reason we're not putting Clinton under this same microscope is because business is not her claim to qualification and because she has never attempted to obscure her tax returns. That's why her political past is being dissected instead of her business experience. Conversely, Donald's lack of political office is why we're dissecting (or attempting to dissect) his business instead of his history in political office.

Finally, let's nip two followup questions in the bud as they are based on straw men:

1)"Tax returns don't reveal total wealth." We do not need to be told this, because we know it already.
2) "Well how many successful businesses has Clinton run?" The reason we're not asking this is because business is not her claim to qualification. That's why her political past is being dissected instead of her business experience.


*With regards to this topic. There are very much problems with tax deduction laws, but that's for an entirely different discussion.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

This is so hilarious. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Not only did Hillary Clinton use exactly the same tax avoidance scheme that Trump did........
Her buddies at the New York Times used it too!!!

The EXACT same tax break they complained about HIM using!

Clinton and her NYT buddies = Hypocritical Jackasses.

(And stupid.)

Odd, isn't it? I mean how the Media are not reporting this.

Hypocrisy Reigns as New York Times Pays No Income Taxes Yet Attacks Trump's Taxes

Of course they're not reporting it, the kings would prefer us peasants to not know they are in fact the jesters.

 

[QuadpolarNutjob]

one set of rules for them, another for us and for trump it seems. vote TRUMP in November if you're sick of bloated politicians and want to cut them down to size.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Flick the NYT. Probably the most partasin/biased paper today!
Crooked Hillary's campaign headquarters.

From the article:
However, I do not need to lecture The New York Times on that topic because it knows that lesson well. After all, the newspaper of record has its headquarters in a building built on land seized by the government under the power of eminent domain from ten different owners, some of whom did not want to sell, implying that the government exercise of power saved the developer money. In addition to that benefit, The New York Times also received $26 million in tax breaks in exchange for keeping jobs in New York City.

More recently, for tax year 2014, The New York Times paid no taxes and got an income tax refund of $3.5 million even though they had a pre-tax profit of $29.9 million in 2014. In other words, their post-tax profit was higher than their pre-tax profit. The explanation in their 2014 annual report is, “The effective tax rate for 2014 was favorably affected by approximately $21.1 million for the reversal of reserves for uncertain tax positions due to the lapse of applicable statutes of limitations.” If you don’t think it took fancy accountants and tax lawyers to make that happen, read the statement again.

Forbes Welcome

Jan 31, 2016 @ 12:00 PM

 

[Napoleon]

I love that you guys don't realize that this plays right into Hillary's hands.

 

[Casper]

This is so hilarious. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Not only did Hillary Clinton use exactly the same tax avoidance scheme that Trump did........
Her buddies at the New York Times used it too!!!

The EXACT same tax break they complained about HIM using!

Clinton and her NYT buddies = Hypocritical Jackasses.

(And stupid.)

Odd, isn't it? I mean how the Media are not reporting this.

Hypocrisy Reigns as New York Times Pays No Income Taxes Yet Attacks Trump's Taxes

True, but the genius businessman Trump knows how to lose nearly a Billion Dollars in the casino business (is that even possible?) and get years of tax breaks due to his genius.

 

[Casper]

one set of rules for them, another for us and for trump it seems. vote TRUMP in November if you're sick of bloated politicians and want to cut them down to size.

True, Hillary released her taxes and trump says he is special and does not have to. Yeup, some do not like to play by the same rules everyone else has been playing by, even when he said that he would so I guess he gets to renege on all his other promises also.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Hilarious indeed.

Except using tax deductions in itself isn't and never has been the problem.* It's a point of contention because Trump has held no political office and his claim to qualification for being President is his wealth and success in business, the facts of which he has made a point to obscure.

Combined with his statement that executives "get away with murder and pay little or no taxes," his hypocrisy comes through in a myriad of ways, such as

1)He himself "gets away with murder" by paying no taxes.
2)He claimed this was "smart" when cornered in the debate.
3)Which he subsequently backtracked on after the debate by claiming he pays Federal taxes
4)None of his proposed policies fixes the problem that executives "get away with murder and pay little or no taxes." And of course...
5)This contradicts the aura of the master businessman he's always touted (but never backed up)

Any narrative he attempts to create regarding his business and his taxes is hopeless twisted and impaled on itself.

The reason we're not putting Clinton under this same microscope is because business is not her claim to qualification and because she has never attempted to obscure her tax returns. That's why her political past is being dissected instead of her business experience. Conversely, Donald's lack of political office is why we're dissecting (or attempting to dissect) his business instead of his history in political office.

Finally, let's nip two followup questions in the bud as they are based on straw men:

1)"Tax returns don't reveal total wealth." We do not need to be told this, because we know it already.
2) "Well how many successful businesses has Clinton run?" The reason we're not asking this is because business is not her claim to qualification. That's why her political past is being dissected instead of her business experience.


*With regards to this topic. There are very much problems with tax deduction laws, but that's for an entirely different discussion.

Why have past POTUS hopefuls for the last 20+ years released their tax returns?

 

[ludin]

True, Hillary released her taxes and trump says he is special and does not have to. Yeup, some do not like to play by the same rules everyone else has been playing by, even when he said that he would so I guess he gets to renege on all his other promises also.

That isn't what he said.

 

[ludin]

Why have past POTUS hopefuls for the last 20+ years released their tax returns?

They choose to do it? there is no requirement to release tax returns. Frankly why people care is beyond me.
I personally don't care what taxes they do or do not pay.

What I care about is do they practice what they preach and are their policies going to screw me over.

the tax return thing is nothing more than a red herring argument in many cases and a distraction to take
the focus off the real issues at hand.

 

[Slyfox696]

Her buddies at the New York Times used it too!!!

The EXACT same tax break they complained about HIM using!

I didn't realize the New York Times was running for President. :shrug:

But you're right, wealthy people/companies who generate huge amounts of income/revenue/profits SHOULD pay taxes. Do you honestly feel Trump is more likely to make the wealthy pay more in taxes?

Oh, and because I know partisans can't help themselves, I've already addressed Clinton about this issue in another thread, primarily that Clinton paid well over $3 million in taxes. Not exactly hypocrisy.

 

[MaggieD]

True, but the genius businessman Trump knows how to lose nearly a Billion Dollars in the casino business (is that even possible?) and get years of tax breaks due to his genius.

Sure, it's possible. If we're going to make **** up, anything's possible.

 

[eohrnberger]

True, but the genius businessman Trump knows how to lose nearly a Billion Dollars in the casino business (is that even possible?) and get years of tax breaks due to his genius.

It's been reported that during that same time frame, it wasn't just Trump's casinos that went down, they all did.

Although I can't pull all the details together, I heard on the radio driving home last night that there was a change in how real estate was taxed and it didn't help the casinos who were already struggling, making it all the harder and making it all the more likely that they'd go bust, which they did.

If you are so worried about a POTUS candidate losing $1B aw a business in the private sector, so only his own and investor's money, perhaps you'd also need to worry about Hillary losing $6B, which would be the public's money?

State Department inspector general issues alert over $6 billion in contracting money

Clinton’s State Department Blew $6 Billion In Contracts, And We’re About To Learn Why

State Dept. misplaced $6B under Hillary Clinton: IG report

Remember That Time When Clinton's State Department 'Misplaced' $6 Billion

$6 Bil Vanishes From State Dept. Under Hillary Clinton

 

[Casper]

That isn't what he said.

He said that He would release his returns, he has not. Keep making excuses maybe you will even convince yourself that his word means something.

 

[Cardinal]

They choose to do it? there is no requirement to release tax returns. Frankly why people care is beyond me.
I personally don't care what taxes they do or do not pay.

What I care about is do they practice what they preach and are their policies going to screw me over.

the tax return thing is nothing more than a red herring argument in many cases and a distraction to take
the focus off the real issues at hand.

It's specifically the fact that he doesn't practice what he preaches that is why this is an issue.

 

[Common Sense 1]

I didn't realize the New York Times was running for President. :shrug:

But you're right, wealthy people/companies who generate huge amounts of income/revenue/profits SHOULD pay taxes. Do you honestly feel Trump is more likely to make the wealthy pay more in taxes?

Oh, and because I know partisans can't help themselves, I've already addressed Clinton about this issue in another thread, primarily that Clinton paid well over $3 million in taxes. Not exactly hypocrisy.

The tax return was from 1995 so Trump was not running for president then. The New York Times is calling out Trump for the very same thing they did in 2014! Please give us all a break! Trump followed the existing federal tax law in 1995. He did nothing illegal or wrong. He used the same write off deductions that millions of people use every year. So the story is Trump followed the tax law! Oh what a giant shock!

 

[Casper]

Sure, it's possible. If we're going to make **** up, anything's possible.

I believe his loses are Public Record.

 

[Casper]

The tax return was from 1995 so Trump was not running for president then. The New York Times is calling out Trump for the very same thing they did in 2014! Please give us all a break! Trump followed the existing federal tax law in 1995. He did nothing illegal or wrong. He used the same write off deductions that millions of people use every year. So the story is Trump followed the tax law! Oh what a giant shock!

Illegal, not in this case. Wrong, well that is still up for debate, he screwed a lot of people in his dealings and the more that is bought up the worse it looks for him. Good grief, the GOP could not find someone/anyone better than Trump, were they Trying to lose the election???????

 

[AlbqOwl]

This is so hilarious. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Not only did Hillary Clinton use exactly the same tax avoidance scheme that Trump did........
Her buddies at the New York Times used it too!!!

The EXACT same tax break they complained about HIM using!

Clinton and her NYT buddies = Hypocritical Jackasses.

(And stupid.)

Odd, isn't it? I mean how the Media are not reporting this.

Hypocrisy Reigns as New York Times Pays No Income Taxes Yet Attacks Trump's Taxes

With the massive speaking fees they have claimed and their multi-millionaire status, it is certain that Bill and Hillary use every tax advantage the law allows to avoid paying any more taxes than they have to pay. Neither have ever run any kind of business so they don't have businerss losses to write off and that is the ONLY difference between them and Donald Trump re their tax liability. And yes, when the New York Times can show a loss that wipes out any tax liability, of course they use the provision of the law that allows them to take no tax liability.

And so do all of us. I bet not a single one of us has ever cut the government a check because we thought we were not paying enough taxes. Nor would we when we have been in a position that we didn't owe any taxes. All this about the Donald's taxes is nothing but a political tempest in a teapot drummed up to make him look terrible. But it is much ado about nothing.

 

[Slyfox696]

The tax return was from 1995 so Trump was not running for president then.

But Trump is running for President now.

The New York Times is calling out Trump for the very same thing they did in 2014! Please give us all a break!

Again, the New York Times isn't running for President.

Trump followed the existing federal tax law in 1995. He did nothing illegal or wrong. He used the same write off deductions that millions of people use every year.
So the story is Trump followed the tax law! Oh what a giant shock!

Fallacy alert. This is called a red herring.

 

[ludin]

He said that He would release his returns, he has not. Keep making excuses maybe you will even convince yourself that his word means something.

Wow why are you lying about what he said?

he said he would release his tax returns after this audit. Is the audit done with please tell us.

 

[ludin]

It's specifically the fact that he doesn't practice what he preaches that is why this is an issue.

So he isn't filing his taxes like he is supposed to? can you show where he has ever been convicted of tax fraud?