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Chicago Cop With 90 Misconduct Complaints Promoted To Commander

radcen

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radcen said:
How does this happen? I can see even a truly good cop getting a small handful of complaints from dishonest people over their career. But 90?!? Are they really that short of candidates? Is he really a true representation of all cops? Do they just not care?
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sounds like it was thugs that made the "complaints"
 
radcen said:
How does this happen? I can see even a truly good cop getting a small handful of complaints from dishonest people over their career. But 90?!? Are they really that short of candidates? Is he really a true representation of all cops? Do they just not care?
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One of the reasons I didn't go into civilian law enforcement after being military law enforcement was because of a habit "the powers that be" had with promoting cops that made the job harder for other cops (and the public at large) into administrative roles where they then set policy and sucked up to the political big wigs.
 
As someone who actually has family members and friends as Chicago Cops, they will be the first to tell you, there's a lot of Police Officers who shouldn't have the job. They come from the general population just like you and me, and they are no more super human or smarter than any of the people you work with each and every day. The myth that all cops are are good is just that ... a Myth. They are trained professionals and should act as such under any conditions. I'm sure no one here would ask for the Emergency Room Doctors Resume before working on you at a time of Emergency.
 
radcen said:
How does this happen? I can see even a truly good cop getting a small handful of complaints from dishonest people over their career. But 90?!? Are they really that short of candidates? Is he really a true representation of all cops? Do they just not care?
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A police person with 90 complaints that gets promoted must be rather good at something.
 
Cigar said:
As someone who actually has family members and friends as Chicago Cops, they will be the first to tell you, there's a lot of Police Officers who shouldn't have the job. They come from the general population just like you and me, and they are no more super human or smarter than any of the people you work with each and every day. The myth that all cops are are good is just that ... a Myth. They are trained professionals and should act as such under any conditions. I'm sure no one here would ask for the Emergency Room Doctors Resume before working on you at a time of Emergency.
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They are just people, and I've long said that.

And you're correct that we wouldn't question their presence in a time of crisis, but before/after in slack times when we have time to review their worthiness? You bet'cha we can, and should, question them then. Police, ER doctors, everyone.
 
radcen said:
They are just people, and I've long said that.

And you're correct that we wouldn't question their presence in a time of crisis, but before/after in slack times when we have time to review their worthiness? You bet'cha we can, and should, question them then. Police, ER doctors, everyone.
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ER Doctors do, that's why their Insurance is so high.

But I never thought I'd ever see ... in my life time, a Man get Shot in the Back by a Cop, Multiple Times, while Running away and not get convicted of Murder. I mean when I was growing up watching Cowboys and Indians ... even The Cowboys has a Code of Honor of not being Coward-Back-Shooters. Actually, I never thought I'd see in my life time some many Unarmed Human Beings Murdered.

I can never see a situation where I'd empty my Gun into someone who is unarmed ... shoot'em in the leg, arm ... Ass ... but Empty a Magazine, re-load and Empty two more ... into someone who can't shoot back? What type of F'cking Coward would do something like that? Someone who doesn't see others as Human Beings ... that's who.
 
With the current environment of the feds doing ride-alongs and embedding in the States Attorney office, the ALCU contact reports, the media & civil rights groups all over everyone, and many coppers laying-back and playing it safe (not just the guys near retirement), I suspect there were not a lot of guys that had all of the following qualities:

1] Wanted the job
2] Would be acceptable to and willing to work with the feds
3] Would be politically acceptable to the administration.
 
joG said:
A police person with 90 complaints that gets promoted must be rather good at something.
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How many complaints can anyone here get at work and still keep their Job?

Really folks, is this really a debate :lol:
 
Cigar said:
As someone who actually has family members and friends as Chicago Cops, they will be the first to tell you, there's a lot of Police Officers who shouldn't have the job. They come from the general population just like you and me, and they are no more super human or smarter than any of the people you work with each and every day. The myth that all cops are are good is just that ... a Myth. They are trained professionals and should act as such under any conditions. I'm sure no one here would ask for the Emergency Room Doctors Resume before working on you at a time of Emergency.
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There's a fair amount of truth here, but a large problem is also the general nature of The Blue Code and its pervasiveness in the CPD infrastructure from the top down.

New guys had no choice but to play ball.

Which is one of the reasons (amongst others) why some probies and short-timers sometimes leave, besides having decent pay and stellar benefits along with what used to be the best union in the country.
 
Lutherf said:
One of the reasons I didn't go into civilian law enforcement after being military law enforcement was because of a habit "the powers that be" had with promoting cops that made the job harder for other cops (and the public at large) into administrative roles where they then set policy and sucked up to the political big wigs.
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That was a good call.

And you are dead on. It's called "peter principle policing", you have a very expensively trained cop who keeps leaving the reservation..what do you do? Put him on a desk.

That has changed here due to costs. The VPD decided years ago that a whole lot of police "work" is not "police work", in that you don't need a trained police officer and you could hire an experienced librarian to handle evidence at half the cost of a trained officer. The cream don't rise to desk jobs any more, they rise in active patrol.
 
radcen said:
How does this happen? I can see even a truly good cop getting a small handful of complaints from dishonest people over their career. But 90?!? Are they really that short of candidates? Is he really a true representation of all cops? Do they just not care?
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For a Chicago officer, that's probably pretty good.
 
"that's the Chicago way..."
 
radcen said:
How does this happen? I can see even a truly good cop getting a small handful of complaints from dishonest people over their career. But 90?!? Are they really that short of candidates? Is he really a true representation of all cops? Do they just not care?
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This is typically how it works. If the constituents are "angry" then LEO's think they're doing their jobs right, because only "punks" have something to whine about. That's why you get situations with cops throwing flash grenades into baby cribs, beating up old ladies, and slamming old men into the pavement. If a cop is messing with you then you deserve it, as the LEO beliefs go.
 
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Cigar said:
ER Doctors do, that's why their Insurance is so high.

But I never thought I'd ever see ... in my life time, a Man get Shot in the Back by a Cop, Multiple Times, while Running away and not get convicted of Murder. I mean when I was growing up watching Cowboys and Indians ... even The Cowboys has a Code of Honor of not being Coward-Back-Shooters. Actually, I never thought I'd see in my life time some many Unarmed Human Beings Murdered.

I can never see a situation where I'd empty my Gun into someone who is unarmed ... shoot'em in the leg, arm ... Ass ... but Empty a Magazine, re-load and Empty two more ... into someone who can't shoot back? What type of F'cking Coward would do something like that? Someone who doesn't see others as Human Beings ... that's who.
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Sadly, this stuff has probably always been happening, we only get to see it now because of cell phone cameras and readily accessible social media.
 
I've long thought cops should have mandatory time off the street every year. Hire more cops if needed, or just get rid of the failed drug war and fascist "asset forfeiture" should do it.

He probably knew someone higher up, although maybe some of those complaints were unfounded
 
I hang out, shoot, fish, drink beers, and play golf with a great group of guys, and there are 5 cops among us who are just as "regular Joe" as anyone else. Just very good people with decent attitudes towards the general public.

Everyone of them have had complaints filed on them.

The guy with the most complaints is black, and he patrols a bad area of Virginia Beach (Lake Edwards) where he has to deal with the street thugs who are fighting, stealing, vandalizing, B&E, and shooting 24/7/365. He isn't going anywhere because he loves his job, and is respected by the community and his supervisors alike. He's the same cop who has water balloon fights with the kids, and gets his car bombarded in the summer months.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I hang out, shoot, fish, drink beers, and play golf with a great group of guys, and there are 5 cops among us who are just as "regular Joe" as anyone else. Just very good people with decent attitudes towards the general public.

Everyone of them have had complaints filed on them.

The guy with the most complaints is black, and he patrols a bad area of Virginia Beach (Lake Edwards) where he has to deal with the street thugs who are fighting, stealing, vandalizing, B&E, and shooting 24/7/365. He isn't going anywhere because he loves his job, and is respected by the community and his supervisors alike. He's the same cop who has water balloon fights with the kids, and gets his car bombarded in the summer months.
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There are some people who believe a good cop would never get a complaint filed against them. I am not one of those people. That's an absurd expectation. There are simply too many dishonest people out there for that. But, 90 seems excessive.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I hang out, shoot, fish, drink beers, and play golf with a great group of guys, and there are 5 cops among us who are just as "regular Joe" as anyone else. Just very good people with decent attitudes towards the general public.

Everyone of them have had complaints filed on them.

The guy with the most complaints is black, and he patrols a bad area of Virginia Beach (Lake Edwards) where he has to deal with the street thugs who are fighting, stealing, vandalizing, B&E, and shooting 24/7/365. He isn't going anywhere because he loves his job, and is respected by the community and his supervisors alike. He's the same cop who has water balloon fights with the kids, and gets his car bombarded in the summer months.
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Does he have 90 complaints filed against him? I can understand that even good cops are going to have complaints filed against him, but 90 is quite a bit. And Chicago Police aren't necessarily known fair and upstanding behavior on whole.
 
Ikari said:
Does he have 90 complaints filed against him? I can understand that even good cops are going to have complaints filed against him, but 90 is quite a bit. And Chicago Police aren't necessarily known fair and upstanding behavior on whole.
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I will ask him tonight, or tomorrow when I when I see him at the golf course.

I know it's a lot.
 
radcen said:
How does this happen? I can see even a truly good cop getting a small handful of complaints from dishonest people over their career. But 90?!? Are they really that short of candidates? Is he really a true representation of all cops? Do they just not care?
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IMO, this story provides insight into just how substandard our criminal justice system is.

I blame poor laws first, because most cops are trying to do a good job. I know I sound like a broken record, but 100 years of drug prohibition has corrupted our entire criminal justice system.

My grandfather was a cop in Chicago during the days of Al Capone. I support cops and the rule of law, but when they enthusiastically enforce lousy laws, the entire profession goes bad.
 
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