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California city reduces violent crime 30% by seizing guns

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Fresno Police taking an average of 100 guns off the streets each month






By Brianna Ruffalo
Thursday, April 12, 2018 09:04PM
FRESNO, Calif. (KFSN) -- Neighborhoods infamous for gang violence, filled with Fresno Police officers and gang units, spreading out in South Fresno.


It's a daily routine of looking for gang members, and guns, a big contributor to a drop in violent crimes.


Its all part of Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer's dedication to bringing the number of shootings down in Fresno, currently at a 30% decrease from last year.


Chief Dyer has assigned three special response teams to the south parts of Fresno since the first of the year
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Getting guns off of the streets seems to be working for Fresno, California.
 
The article doesn't say much but the implication seems to be that the cops are confiscating guns found on or in the possession of criminals they arrest. I don't think too many people have an issue with that.

Now, if you can find an article where a California city reduced crime by confiscating the guns owned by law abiding citizens we can have a more substantive conversation.
 
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Lutherf said:
The article doesn't say much but the implication seems to be that the cops are confiscating guns found on or in the possession of criminals they arrest. I don't think too many people have an issue with that.

Now, if you can find an article where a California city reduced crime by confiscating the guns owned by law abiding citizens we can have a more substantive conversation.
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Newsflash form California: taking guns from criminals reduces gun violence. What would we do without that sort of West Coast brilliance?
 
Fletch said:
Newsflash form California: taking guns from criminals reduces gun violence. What would we do without that sort of West Coast brilliance?
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Just because it's California, it's not to be taken seriously. If it was Cincinnati you'd be lauding the police for making a simple, effective program happen.
 
Grand Mal said:
Just because it's California, it's not to be taken seriously. If it was Cincinnati you'd be lauding the police for making a simple, effective program happen.
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No, I would expect that Cincinnati already knows that taking guns from the hands of violent criminals and gangs reduces gun violence. This fact just dawned on California apparently.
 
Crime is always down in the winter time. Id like to see how this July plays out and the impact this had.
 
Fletch said:
No, I would expect that Cincinnati already knows that taking guns from the hands of violent criminals and gangs reduces gun violence. This fact just dawned on California apparently.
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So gun violence is lower in Cincinnati than it's become in Fresno? If I get the time and inclination, I'll look into that.
 
Grand Mal said:
So gun violence is lower in Cincinnati than it's become in Fresno? If I get the time and inclination, I'll look into that.
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I didnt say that, but feel free to look it up if you wish.
 
Polar Bum said:
Taking illegal guns from criminals.....cool story.

What are they doing with the criminals that were in possession of those guns?
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One would assume that they arresting them which may well explain the resulting drop in the local crime rate.
 
Grand Mal said:
Just because it's California, it's not to be taken seriously. If it was Cincinnati you'd be lauding the police for making a simple, effective program happen.
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What?

This is a story about cops doing their job. It's something most cops do every shift. I don't know of any cops that wouldn't take a weapon they found in the possession of a criminal. For some reason, however, someone in the ABC30 news room found the concept to be of interest to the public and then someone here found it to be of interest to the rest of us. If we have really come to the point where a story about cops doing what is expected of them is newsworthy then we're in a sad place indeed.
 
Grand Mal said:
Just because it's California, it's not to be taken seriously. If it was Cincinnati you'd be lauding the police for making a simple, effective program happen.
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No, it's not that at all. It's that the OP put up a thread in the gun control forum trying to tie the idea that gun control in general results in lower crime when the content of the article shows the police (in a city and county that's generally conservative btw, the Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims is fairly lenient on issuing concealed carry licenses to law abiding residents, so a person in Fresno county who has a clean criminal background and wants to carry a gun can do so legally) doing emphasis enforcement seizing guns from criminal suspects. If you also read the article you'd see one of the guns was seized in a drug case, if the left has their way that gun would still be on the street because drugs would be legalized and thusly not probable cause to arrest and search a suspect.

So really this isn't a gun control topic, it's a law enforcement strategy topic.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
One would assume that they arresting them which may well explain the resulting drop in the local crime rate.
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that too. if a convicted felon is found with a gun they should be getting a free ride for a free stay at the Grey Bar B&B
 
Lutherf said:
What?

This is a story about cops doing their job. It's something most cops do every shift. I don't know of any cops that wouldn't take a weapon they found in the possession of a criminal. For some reason, however, someone in the ABC30 news room found the concept to be of interest to the public and then someone here found it to be of interest to the rest of us. If we have really come to the point where a story about cops doing what is expected of them is newsworthy then we're in a sad place indeed.
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What I got from the story was the Chief assigning three teams to focus on gang members. The program has brought in hundreds of handguns and cut homicides nearly in half. I'd call that result newsworthy.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, it's not that at all. It's that the OP put up a thread in the gun control forum trying to tie the idea that gun control in general results in lower crime when the content of the article shows the police (in a city and county that's generally conservative btw, the Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims is fairly lenient on issuing concealed carry licenses to law abiding residents) doing emphasis enforcement seizing guns from criminal suspects. If you also read the article you'd see one of the guns was seized in a drug case, if the left has their way that gun would still be on the street because drugs would be legalized and thusly not probable cause to arrest and search a suspect.

So really this isn't a gun control topic, it's a law enforcement strategy topic.
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I didn't notice which forum this is in, but it doesn't change my reason for replying the way I did to a post that tried to disparage a good result simply because it happened in California. The police Chief put three teams out on the street focussed on gang members and credits the gun confiscations with cutting Fresno's homicides in half. My point stands- if that had happened in any other state the post I replied to would not have been written.
Granted, this thread might not havee been made, either, but that's beside the point I was making.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, it's not that at all. It's that the OP put up a thread in the gun control forum trying to tie the idea that gun control in general results in lower crime when the content of the article shows the police (in a city and county that's generally conservative btw, the Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims is fairly lenient on issuing concealed carry licenses to law abiding residents, so a person in Fresno county who has a clean criminal background and wants to carry a gun can do so legally) doing emphasis enforcement seizing guns from criminal suspects. If you also read the article you'd see one of the guns was seized in a drug case, if the left has their way that gun would still be on the street because drugs would be legalized and thusly not probable cause to arrest and search a suspect.

So really this isn't a gun control topic, it's a law enforcement strategy topic.
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Wasn't it "the left" i.e. Democrats, who made California's restrictive gun laws that the Fresno Police are enforcing?
 
Grand Mal said:
I didn't notice which forum this is in, but it doesn't change my reason for replying the way I did to a post that tried to disparage a good result simply because it happened in California. The police Chief put three teams out on the street focussed on gang members and credits the gun confiscations with cutting Fresno's homicides in half. My point stands- if that had happened in any other state the post I replied to would not have been written.
Granted, this thread might not havee been made, either, but that's beside the point I was making.
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This is a local story, reported by the local news. Wouldn't a 30% drop in gun crimes and an average of 100 illegal guns being seized per month make the local news just about anywhere?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Wasn't it "the left" i.e. Democrats, who made California's restrictive gun laws that the Fresno Police are enforcing?
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I'm not aware of any state in the country regardless of political ideology where people with felony criminal records, histories of illicit drug use or (and this applies to sizable percentages of latino street gangs, which exist in the San Joaquin Valley) people illegally in the country, etc are permitted to own and carry firearms. in fact those are federal laws. so police in Texas or Iowa or Maine or Montana could legally do the same thing, for any firearm, so California laws making it illegal to own magazines or AR-15s or pistols not on the "bribes paid to state (aka CA Safe Pistol Roster) list" do not factor in. the people they are seizing guns from cannot own any gun anywhere in the USA so CA's extreme laws are not at issue.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Fresno Police taking an average of 100 guns off the streets each month









Getting guns off of the streets seems to be working for Fresno, California.
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It worked for NYC when they had Stop and Frisk, until the Progressives and NY Left elected the current mayor and he stopped the program.

If criminals that couldn't pass a background check get weapons taken from them, they tend to not be able to act criminally, which (evidently amazing to some) reduces violent crime. Taking guns from law abiding citizens, however, does not have the same impact, and could very well reverse such trends.
 
jdog21 said:
Crime is always down in the winter time. Id like to see how this July plays out and the impact this had.
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It is?

Could we see some data on that, please? Crime rates being one of the most studied human actions you have to have read that somewhere if there is any truth to it.

I have serious doubt a southern California winter would have a great impact on crime
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I'm not aware of any state in the country regardless of political ideology where people with felony criminal records, histories of illicit drug use or (and this applies to sizable percentages of latino street gangs, which exist in the San Joaquin Valley) people illegally in the country, etc are permitted to own and carry firearms. in fact those are federal laws. so police in Texas or Iowa or Maine or Montana could legally do the same thing, for any firearm, so California laws making it illegal to own magazines or AR-15s or pistols not on the "bribes paid to state (aka CA Safe Pistol Roster) list" do not factor in. the people they are seizing guns from cannot own any gun anywhere in the USA so CA's extreme laws are not at issue.
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Perhaps so, perhaps not. Being a gang member does not necessarily mean being a felon. As for people with a history of illicit drug use, are they barred from having guns in the rest of the country? If so, that would be a sizable percentage of the general population.
 
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