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Buttigieg leading in Iowa

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New poll shows Buttigieg in the lead in Iowa. Can he win it all?

Wow! I think he is the best Dem candidate, and never thought he could make it. But his numbers are really growing now, and Iowa polls are now showing him first, Biden second, Warren third, and the idiotic moron loser called Bernie Sanders in pitiful fourth (drop out already, grandpa).

Go Pete!
 
Buttigieg has always had Bernie Sanders’ superpower: being able to cut through a bull**** question or noise in order to get through to the poignant truth of the issue. This has always made him compelling as a public speaker. It’s this feature combined with his more moderate positions that will make him more appealing to some over Warren’s more firebrand and ambitious goals.

I’ve always flucturated between Warren and Buttigieg as my favorite candidate, and for different reasons, so if either won the Primary I’d be a happy panda.

But...if the Primary outcome came down solely to my choice, I’d go with Warren.
 
I understand why people are iffy about M4A and other lefty positions, but ffs pick a position and stick with it. At this point I'm fully convinced anyone waffling on their principles is going to get ****ing brutalized by Trump in 2020 (if he's not impeached by then, and even still)
 
New poll shows Buttigieg in the lead in Iowa. Can he win it all?

Wow! I think he is the best Dem candidate, and never thought he could make it. But his numbers are really growing now, and Iowa polls are now showing him first, Biden second, Warren third, and the idiotic moron loser called Bernie Sanders in pitiful fourth (drop out already, grandpa).

Go Pete!

Wow. I'm really glad to see this. I am hoping he is the candidate. If I was voting in the NH primary as a Democrat, he would have my vote.
 
Buttigieg has always had Bernie Sanders’ superpower: being able to cut through a bull**** question or noise in order to get through to the poignant truth of the issue. This has always made him compelling as a public speaker. It’s this feature combined with his more moderate positions that will make him more appealing to some over Warren’s more firebrand and ambitious goals.

I’ve always flucturated between Warren and Buttigieg as my favorite candidate, and for different reasons, so if either won the Primary I’d be a happy panda.

But...if the Primary outcome came down solely to my choice, I’d go with Warren.

I am looking at him as well. I think I am leaning towards a public option for this next election and we can worry about true socialized health care in the next ten years or so as demographics change and to make it more palatable for a younger, more liberal crowd (with the side bonus of having fewer (expensive) age related health issues, which should help initial costs while we convert over)
 
Must be the same poll that said Hillary was going to win in a landslide!!!!!!
 
New poll shows Buttigieg in the lead in Iowa. Can he win it all?

Wow! I think he is the best Dem candidate, and never thought he could make it. But his numbers are really growing now, and Iowa polls are now showing him first, Biden second, Warren third, and the idiotic moron loser called Bernie Sanders in pitiful fourth (drop out already, grandpa).

Go Pete!

He seems to me, the most reasonable of the Dem candidates. We'll see how everything turns out in the end, how the primary rolls.
 
Mayor Pete is a corporatist. HE is palletable to the Boomer generation because he espouses their views on healthcare.

A centrist will get nowhere. The Republicans don't want to compromise.

The dems need to get wise on it.
 
We were having a debate in another thread about Warren's M4A plan, and I pointed to a large number of pitfalls. Today at work I bumped into an article that said pretty much the same things I was saying.

There aren’t enough doctors for Medicare for all

The above is a very, very important read. I suggest that people don't skip it. Read it. We all need to know about what this article says.

Among other things, the problems included that Medicare pays lower than actual health care costs while private insurers pay higher so hospitals lose money with Medicare and recover it by over-charging privately insured patients. So, if it all goes to Medicare, it becomes a business loss for hospitals so, two consequences ensue: either you have to increase payments which will make Warren's plan more expensive than she thinks, or many hospitals will close down and many physicians will prematurely retire or quit.

Then, my earlier posts and the article talked about how people misunderstand doctors' income and think that they could perfectly lower fees and medicine would still be an attractive field. My posts and this article talked about student loans, average salaries, years of training, the problem of going from 3 to 7 additional years of residency training (after 4 years of college and 4 of medical school) while being paid about $65K, and how this whole ordeal plus the long hours is only attractive because medicine is still highly paid. But decrease that, and you'll have fewer people going into medicine. Meanwhile, demand for care will increase with more people covered. It would lead to physician shortages.

My posts and the article also talked about the historical reasons why health care in America is so different from the one found in European countries, and how massively disruptive to the system an abrupt transformation as the one proposed by Warren and Sanders would be.

Another article I can't find right now (I was browsing at work and didn't save the link, now I'm at home) mentioned how Elizabeth Warren knows very well that her proposals can't pass (and might even be challenged all the way to the SCOTUS if they did, given that certain tax proposals on the ultra-rich might actually be illegal), but she proposes them anyway because she knows it's a win-win for her: she will energize the progressives, than if elected, if she can't implement any of it, she will blame Congress.

I did find the link for the possible illegality of her proposals, and the one talking about how disingenuous she is.

Wealth tax proposed by Elizabeth Warren could be illegal

Why Elizabeth Warren is triggering billionaires

Oh well, people will say of all of the above that it's just partisanship and fake news and right-wing propaganda. But I'm NOT a right-wing guy. I'm a centrist.

If Elizabeth Warren is just trying to be clever and populist in her vote-seeking proposals, and knows that it will never happen, and that if it did, it would be a full disaster with a much more expensive plan, physician shortage, and severe disruption in the system, then she is losing my vote.

That's why I favor a centrist like Pete. I think that the system needs reform, but not an implosion. I favor a public OPTION but not everybody being forced into Medicaid for All.
 
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... the article talked about how people misunderstand doctors' income and think that they could perfectly lower fees and medicine would still be an attractive field. My posts and this article talked about student loans, average salaries, years of training, the problem of going from 3 to 7 additional years of residency training (after 4 years of college and 4 of medical school) while being paid about $65K, and how this whole ordeal plus the long hours is only attractive because medicine is still highly paid. But decrease that, and you'll have fewer people going into medicine.

Indeed. As I mentioned in another thread, you'd have to fundamentally reduce the price of education for doctors first. Second, you'd have to reduce their hours.

Teachers make more than doctors (per hour) in the US.

Source 1
Source 2
Source 3

Note further that none of the 3 links above even account for things like misc government sponsorship to be more applicable to teachers than doctors, e.g. paying in full for college for Dr kids vs more financial aid normally available to teachers' kids.
 
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New poll shows Buttigieg in the lead in Iowa. Can he win it all?

Wow! I think he is the best Dem candidate, and never thought he could make it. But his numbers are really growing now, and Iowa polls are now showing him first, Biden second, Warren third, and the idiotic moron loser called Bernie Sanders in pitiful fourth (drop out already, grandpa).

Go Pete!

Good to hear! I really like Buttigieg and would easily vote for him. I don't care for Warren, and I think Bernie's time has passed in 2016.
 
I understand why people are iffy about M4A and other lefty positions, but ffs pick a position and stick with it. At this point I'm fully convinced anyone waffling on their principles is going to get ****ing brutalized by Trump in 2020 (if he's not impeached by then, and even still)

“Medicare for all who want it” is an easier sell. Avoids loss aversion backlash by those wary about the consequences or implementation of a mandatory transition, and acknowledges that not everyone (for ideological or practical reasons) wants it, all while offering up the promise that the option will be there for those who want it. Aiming for the Pareto improvement is smart politics.
 
I'm fine with him if he can defeat Mango.
 
I'm fine with him if he can defeat Mango.

There are two ways to think about this. One, is that once people get more used to him and he gets more name recognition, he will do better in polls against Trump than he is doing now, when responders are more likely to be more impressed by the names they know (Biden, Warren, Sanders). Once they realize how good he is, with sensible and intelligent positions, he'll grow as compared to that Neanderthal Donald Trump.

Two, it's the gay issue. I couldn't care less if Mayor Pete is gay, but that's not how many bigoted Americans thinks. I wonder how much this will hurt him and actually make him lose to Trump.

I don't know what effect will predominate.

But I'm willing to support Buttigieg at this point.
 
There are two ways to think about this. One, is that once people get more used to him and he gets more name recognition, he will do better in polls against Trump than he is doing now, when responders are more likely to be more impressed by the names they know (Biden, Warren, Sanders). Once they realize how good he is, with sensible and intelligent positions, he'll grow as compared to that Neanderthal Donald Trump.

Two, it's the gay issue. I couldn't care less if Mayor Pete is gay, but that's not how many bigoted Americans thinks. I wonder how much this will hurt him and actually make him lose to Trump.

I don't know what effect will predominate.

But I'm willing to support Buttigieg at this point.

i worry about that, as well. i wonder if he'll even win Indiana as the nominee. Obama did, though, and Indiana is very red.
 
He'd crush Trump.

It's a detail that should matter.
 
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