140,000 former felons' right to vote restored by new Democratic governor in Kentucky

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Based on available information as of October, 2019, your claim is a lie.

Felon Voting Rights

That link supports every claim I made.

 

[ocean515]

That link supports every claim I made.

You wrote:

The vast majority of states have laws that allow felons to regain their voting rights after completing their sentences.

At most, 21 states allow felons to vote after certain conditions are met.

You lied with your first claim, and you've lied again here.

Zero credibility, not worth any effort.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

You wrote:

The vast majority of states have laws that allow felons to regain their voting rights after completing their sentences.

At most, 21 states allow felons to vote after certain conditions are met.

You lied with your first claim, and you've lied again here.

Zero credibility, not worth any effort.

I think you should go back and read that again.

In 2 states, felons never lose their voting rights - they can vote in prison.
In 16 states, voting rights are automatically reinstated after incarceration.
In 21 states, voting rights are restored after completion of parole or probation.

That's 39 states.

 

[TheParser]

If any of those felons committed premeditated murder, they should never, ever be forgiven.

They should rot in prison until their death.

And they certainly should NOT be able to vote again or own guns.

If there were justice in this country, murderers whose guilt was proven beyond a doubt would be automatically executed. (If the government started executing dozens of such individuals daily, there is the possibility that some bad individuals might actually think twice about -- for example -- robbing a liquor store and then killing the clerk for the sport of it.)

 

[Ikari]

I would have an issue with them voting period. Their debt to society has not been paid. It's a lie to suggest anything different.

If you want to say their sentence should be commuted, and part of their debt forgiven, than that would be accurate.

Anything short of that is pure BS.

Only life in prison or the death penalty are forever. All other punishment is on a clock. Once the clock expires, their full rights should be recognized again. Government doesn't get to apply infinite force for finite punishments.

 

[Condor060]

Why was it D's were the only one's pushing for LGBTQ rights? Same sex marriage? Interracial marriage?

They aren't. Those are all bi-partisan legislation. How could you even conceive that.

 

[Condor060]

All people who have served their time should have all their rights restored.

Fair enough

 

[Deuce]

Then why is it only Democrats are pushing for convicted felons to vote?

Because Republicans care more about winning than they do about rights.

 

[Deuce]

They aren't. Those are all bi-partisan legislation. How could you even conceive that.

It is laughable to suggest conservatives were equivalent in this.

 

[Craig234]

It is laughable to suggest conservatives were equivalent in this.

Of course Republicans deserve equal credit!

Kentucky’s newly elected Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, signed an executive order on Thursday restoring the vote and the right to hold public office to more than 140,000 residents who have completed sentences for nonviolent felonies.

Don't you realize, Republicans held the governor's hand as he signed the bill?

The order signed on Thursday in effect revives a similar order that the governor’s father, Steve Beshear, himself a former governor, signed in his last days in office in 2015. His Republican successor, Matt Bevin, revoked it.

Oh. Well, at least Republicans in the last state to fully bar felons from voting, have done a lot to restore their right to vote, a lot defined as 'nothing':

In Iowa, now the only state with a total ban on voting by former felons, a Democratic governor also signed an order restoring rights to some former felons. But the measure, enacted in 2005, was revoked by his Republican successor. The current Republican governor, Kim Reynolds, has supported re-enfranchising former felons, but the State Legislature has not acted on the matter.

Well, Republicans began the national move toward restoring rights - Terry McAuliffe is a Republican, right?

The issue has long been a flashpoint for civil rights groups. But the movement made national headlines only in 2016, when Virginia’s Democratic governor at the time, Terry McAuliffe, signed an order giving voting rights to some 156,000 former felons.

Oh. Well, Florida is a Republican state, and they restored the right to vote, so the Republican politicians there get credit, right?

The movement gained further steam in 2018, when Florida voters approved a constitutional amendment restoring voting rights to roughly 1.4 million former felons, excepting those convicted of murder or sex offenses...

In Florida, Republicans blunted the impact of the voter-approved amendment by passing a law that required former felons to pay all fines, restitution and court costs before being deemed to have completed their sentences. The measure effectively denied the vote to hundreds of thousands of those who are too poor to pay the fees or are paying them in installments that will not be completed for years.

Hm. Well, it's not as if Republicans are just taking the right away to vote just for political benefit.

Many analysts say Republican opposition to restoring voting rights is at least partly rooted in politics because a disproportionate number of former felons are members of minority groups that tend to vote for Democrats.

Kentucky Gives Voting Rights to Some 140,000 Former Felons - The New York Times

 

[dairyair]

They aren't. Those are all bi-partisan legislation. How could you even conceive that.

It wasn't all that long ago with the gay marriage issue, it was RW putting up the big fight about them being able to be legally married.
It was the RW saying marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman.
That is how I conceive that.

 

[Condor060]

Because Republicans care more about winning than they do about rights.

So you are of the opinion that convicted felons vote Democrat. I agree.

 

[Deuce]

So you are of the opinion that convicted felons vote Democrat. I agree.

Yes, our criminal justice system slants against poor people and minorities, who disproportionately vote Democrat.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are the ones who want to keep slanting the criminal justice system against them.

 

[Condor060]

Yes, our criminal justice system slants against poor people and minorities, who disproportionately vote Democrat.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are the ones who want to keep slanting the criminal justice system against them.

How do Republicans slant the criminal justice system against minorities?

 

[danielpalos]

How do Republicans slant the criminal justice system against minorities?

their faux Christian morality. A work ethic from the Age of Iron is not justified in modern capital times under our form of Capitalism.

 

[Deuce]

How do Republicans slant the criminal justice system against minorities?

The criminal justice system is slanted against minorities at every single level, entire college-level textbooks could be written on the subject. Far too in-depth to go into on a message board like this.

A simple example is doing things like sentencing crack convictions harsher than cocaine.

 

[danielpalos]

It is about capital under our form of capitalism. Even someone on unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed can save up for an attorney or make payments.

 

[Deuce]

It is about capital under our form of capitalism. Even someone on unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed can save up for an attorney or make payments.

:lamo

People living paycheck to paycheck get public defenders. (which is itself a horrifying injustice)

 

[danielpalos]

:lamo

People living paycheck to paycheck get public defenders. (which is itself a horrifying injustice)

Only in criminal cases.