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Human sin

Junzhuo Gu

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Human sin
God created man, and at the same time gave us the right to occupy and manage the mountains and rivers, animals and plants, and the private ownership of our property, so that we can have the housing land and food to live on. God gives us private rights, showing God's love. However, due to the excessive greed of mankind, we have houses ourselves, and we still have cravings for other people's houses; we have wives, and we have craving others' wives. When we exceed the limits of reasonable possession and possession, we fall into sin. Sin comes from this. God loves us and empowers us, and we fall into sin because of greed and we don’t know how to control ourselves. Therefore, it is not God's intention that God created humans and let humans fall into sin.
So naturally there is a view that all sins of humanity originate from private rights. On the surface, it seems that our sins are rooted in private rights .
Actually such a view is a fundamental error. God does not create useless things, and God does not give us meaningless, but will cause us to fall into sin. As mentioned earlier, private ownership is a prerequisite for each of us to live in dignity. Of course we can survive without private rights, but we will have no dignity and can only survive as slaves. God loves us, so we are given private rights to ensure that we live in dignity to show the love of God.
Therefore, in countries where private rights are generally severely violated, the land is full of sin. Marxism denies private rights, so all socialist countries generally violate private rights; Marxism advertises absolute equality and freedom, while socialist countries are highly hierarchical and authoritarian societies, full of predatory, oppressive, bloody, and violent. The painful lesson of human society has fully proved that private rights are the most important human rights that God has given us. Without protecting private rights, we humans must fall into huge sins.
The sin of mankind is not the original intention of the Creator, but the uncontrolled greed of mankind causes us to fall into sin; if we can limit the rights God has given us to a reasonable range, while we obtain our own rights, we respect the rights of others, we Can get rid of sin. However, how difficult it is to achieve this. Without the redemption of Jesus Christ, the greedy nature of human beings from animals must inevitably become the master of the soul, and thus fall into sin.
Gu Junzhuo 2019-4-28
 
Human sin
God created man, and at the same time gave us the right to occupy and manage the mountains and rivers, animals and plants, and the private ownership of our property, so that we can have the housing land and food to live on. God gives us private rights, showing God's love. However, due to the excessive greed of mankind, we have houses ourselves, and we still have cravings for other people's houses; we have wives, and we have craving others' wives. When we exceed the limits of reasonable possession and possession, we fall into sin. Sin comes from this. God loves us and empowers us, and we fall into sin because of greed and we don’t know how to control ourselves. Therefore, it is not God's intention that God created humans and let humans fall into sin.
So naturally there is a view that all sins of humanity originate from private rights. On the surface, it seems that our sins are rooted in private rights .
Actually such a view is a fundamental error. God does not create useless things, and God does not give us meaningless, but will cause us to fall into sin. As mentioned earlier, private ownership is a prerequisite for each of us to live in dignity. Of course we can survive without private rights, but we will have no dignity and can only survive as slaves. God loves us, so we are given private rights to ensure that we live in dignity to show the love of God.
Therefore, in countries where private rights are generally severely violated, the land is full of sin. Marxism denies private rights, so all socialist countries generally violate private rights; Marxism advertises absolute equality and freedom, while socialist countries are highly hierarchical and authoritarian societies, full of predatory, oppressive, bloody, and violent. The painful lesson of human society has fully proved that private rights are the most important human rights that God has given us. Without protecting private rights, we humans must fall into huge sins.
The sin of mankind is not the original intention of the Creator, but the uncontrolled greed of mankind causes us to fall into sin; if we can limit the rights God has given us to a reasonable range, while we obtain our own rights, we respect the rights of others, we Can get rid of sin. However, how difficult it is to achieve this. Without the redemption of Jesus Christ, the greedy nature of human beings from animals must inevitably become the master of the soul, and thus fall into sin.
Gu Junzhuo 2019-4-28

All that babble can be wrapped up in one verse...

"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.​"1 John 5:19
 
All that babble can be wrapped up in one verse...

"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.​"1 John 5:19

Thanks for the Reader’s Digest version....:thumbs:
 
All that babble can be wrapped up in one verse...

"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.​"1 John 5:19
You are very ignorant
 
So, you think the Bible is ignorant...figures with an ego like yours...

Do you take the Bible as the whole of knowledge? Do you treat anything that is not in the Bible as nonsense?
 
Moreover, the way to know God is not only in the Bible. Otherwise, how would people know God when there was no Bible? Modern science is more and more developed, and it is more important to know God from a scientific perspective. I realized that the existence of God is not because of reading the Bible.
 
Do you take the Bible as the whole of knowledge? Do you treat anything that is not in the Bible as nonsense?

Over silly words of men like you who like to hear themselves talk...most definitely...
 
Moreover, the way to know God is not only in the Bible. Otherwise, how would people know God when there was no Bible? Modern science is more and more developed, and it is more important to know God from a scientific perspective. I realized that the existence of God is not because of reading the Bible.

Moreover...this should not be in theology but in philosophy...thoughts of man...
 
All that babble can be wrapped up in one verse...

"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.​"1 John 5:19

At least that establishes that God is not in control of this world....that should keep people from complaining about all the things that God allows. Now the identity of the wicked one should be established.
 
At least that establishes that God is not in control of this world....that should keep people from complaining about all the things that God allows. Now the identity of the wicked one should be established.

True...I've been tellin' em that for 3 years now...it doesn't seem to sink in with some who still wanna insist God gives children cancer and makes people suffer...Luke identifies who the wicked one is...

"Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish." Luke 4:6
 
True...I've been tellin' em that for 3 years now...it doesn't seem to sink in with some who still wanna insist God gives children cancer and makes people suffer...Luke identifies who the wicked one is...

"Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish." Luke 4:6

The quotation in every way represents an appeal to the ego. To accept this offer would have meant separation from God. The same thing that was true for Christ is also true for us....the ego and it’s acceptance serves to separate us from God. This being a demonstration of the methods of the devil the question comes to mind: Can Christians recognize the Antichrist when he appears ? What characteristics will he have ?
 
The quotation in every way represents an appeal to the ego. To accept this offer would have meant separation from God. The same thing that was true for Christ is also true for us....the ego and it’s acceptance serves to separate us from God. This being a demonstration of the methods of the devil the question comes to mind: Can Christians recognize the Antichrist when he appears ? What characteristics will he have ?

There are many antichrists, not just one...anyone who leads another astray/teaches false doctrines is an antichrist...when the Bible speaks of the antichrist, it speaks of a composite group...

"Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction." 2 Thessalonians 2:3

"However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves." 2 Peter 2:1

Jesus spoke of the last days, where there will be many and we surely see that today...

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones." Matthew 24:24
 
There are many antichrists, not just one...anyone who leads another astray/teaches false doctrines is an antichrist...when the Bible speaks of the antichrist, it speaks of a composite group...

"Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction." 2 Thessalonians 2:3

"However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves." 2 Peter 2:1

Jesus spoke of the last days, where there will be many and we surely see that today...

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones." Matthew 24:24
The Bible lacks the necessary discussion and identification of some very important concepts, but it is only slightly involved: for example, the concept of private rights, the Bible does not elaborate on the importance of private rights. Another example is that the Bible ignores the identification of sin from the perspective of private rights. So there will be some extreme religious groups separated from Christianity. It is because Christianity lacks elaboration of some very important ideas, and chaotic thoughts will also arise in the Christian society. The background of Marxism is also the Christian society. Therefore, it is very necessary to use the Bible as the basis to explain some very important concepts, such as the nature and meaning of private rights.
To avoid violating the teachings of Jesus Christ, to avoid going astray. One must have a clear understanding of the purpose of the New Testament, whose purpose is love. Love God and the world. Only at this point will you go astray. Love alone is not enough. People must understand that to realize this love, they must fully protect private rights and establish a parliamentary democracy. At the same time, it must be clear that freedom is premised, and those ideas and religious beliefs that violate the sacred rationality of Jesus’ redemptive spirit and deny private rights cannot be tolerated.
The root cause of the unrest in the United States today is the confusion in American concepts, including the United States’ overemphasis on an absolute freedom.
 
The Bible lacks the necessary discussion and identification of some very important concepts, but it is only slightly involved: for example, the concept of private rights, the Bible does not elaborate on the importance of private rights. Another example is that the Bible ignores the identification of sin from the perspective of private rights. So there will be some extreme religious groups separated from Christianity. It is because Christianity lacks elaboration of some very important ideas, and chaotic thoughts will also arise in the Christian society. The background of Marxism is also the Christian society. Therefore, it is very necessary to use the Bible as the basis to explain some very important concepts, such as the nature and meaning of private rights.
To avoid violating the teachings of Jesus Christ, to avoid going astray. One must have a clear understanding of the purpose of the New Testament, whose purpose is love. Love God and the world. Only at this point will you go astray. Love alone is not enough. People must understand that to realize this love, they must fully protect private rights and establish a parliamentary democracy. At the same time, it must be clear that freedom is premised, and those ideas and religious beliefs that violate the sacred rationality of Jesus’ redemptive spirit and deny private rights cannot be tolerated.
The root cause of the unrest in the United States today is the confusion in American concepts, including the United States’ overemphasis on an absolute freedom.


I am very interested in the private rights that you are thinking of. And also your very last sentence.
 
The Bible lacks the necessary discussion and identification of some very important concepts, but it is only slightly involved: for example, the concept of private rights, the Bible does not elaborate on the importance of private rights. Another example is that the Bible ignores the identification of sin from the perspective of private rights. So there will be some extreme religious groups separated from Christianity. It is because Christianity lacks elaboration of some very important ideas, and chaotic thoughts will also arise in the Christian society. The background of Marxism is also the Christian society. Therefore, it is very necessary to use the Bible as the basis to explain some very important concepts, such as the nature and meaning of private rights.
To avoid violating the teachings of Jesus Christ, to avoid going astray. One must have a clear understanding of the purpose of the New Testament, whose purpose is love. Love God and the world. Only at this point will you go astray. Love alone is not enough. People must understand that to realize this love, they must fully protect private rights and establish a parliamentary democracy. At the same time, it must be clear that freedom is premised, and those ideas and religious beliefs that violate the sacred rationality of Jesus’ redemptive spirit and deny private rights cannot be tolerated.
The root cause of the unrest in the United States today is the confusion in American concepts, including the United States’ overemphasis on an absolute freedom.

The Bible lacks nothing in regards to what is required in order to gain salvation...nothing is more valuable than that...
 
The Bible lacks nothing in regards to what is required in order to gain salvation...nothing is more valuable than that...

John 5:39-40 clearly tells us what is more valuable. In that context worship of the Bible can become a form of idolatry.
 
John 5:39-40 clearly tells us what is more valuable. In that context worship of the Bible can become a form of idolatry.

Striving to gain salvation/everlasting life is not worshiping the Bible...the directions in the Bible are what leads one to salvation...John 3:16; 17:3...
 
Put your faith in Jesus.....not the Bible...there is a difference.
 
Striving to gain salvation/everlasting life is not worshiping the Bible...the directions in the Bible are what leads one to salvation...John 3:16; 17:3...

“That whosoever believeth in HIM shall not perish”
 
“That whosoever believeth in HIM shall not perish”

And where did you learn that truth? From the Bible...nowhere else...
 
What the Bible is good for: 2 Timothy 3:16......notably..”useful for teaching”.....the student can be taught but that teaching has no value until it is put into practice......knowledge of the Bible can become an ego trip and when it does we can count ourselves as amongst the Pharisees...
 
I swear, it's like James972 married a minister and they had a kid. :lamo
 
I am very interested in the private rights that you are thinking of. And also your very last sentence.

It's pure cult copy/paste.
Reading this is like listening to Reverend Sun Myung Moon, if he'd been captured by David Koresh.
 
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