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The existence of God

Junzhuo Gu

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The existence of God
To discuss whether God exists, we must first focus on the real world. The Bible says that this world was created by God, then we should investigate from this world itself to see if we can discover the clues of God’s creation of the world.
1. Any existing things follow certain principles, the principles are occurring, developing, evolving, and dying, thus presenting a specially arranged order. Because they generally follow certain principles and principles, they must show a certain order, not disorder.
We study physics, and we know that things must obey the principles of physics.
Structures similar to our solar system and the Milky Way are ubiquitous in the universe. The universe is composed of countless celestial structures similar to our solar system and the Milky Way.
From the birth of life on our planet, the lower life evolved higher life step by step, until the emergence of human beings. All this is so beautiful and orderly, following the blueprint of evolution. This order is a continuation of the orderly evolution of the universe, and is a further embodiment of this supreme force's rational establishment of the cosmic order.
A specific science is to study and determine the internal laws of the subject, and the internal principles and principles of its evolution; therefore, science actually understands the actions of God from a specific aspect. Of course, the scientist may think that he is studying science itself, not about God.

2. Any principle is independent of the existing things destined to perish.
Any existing thing is destined to perish, and the extinction of any thing will not affect the change or failure of the principle and principle throughout the evolution of the thing. This itself shows the existence of the principle and principle, which is independent of things and precedes. The existence of real things.
The principles of physics will not cease to function because of the demise of a certain star; I think that even if the existing universe dies, the newly born universe must follow the principles of physics; just as any species dies, it will not affect The inherent principles of life evolution have the same effect.
The world was created by God, and it cannot be fully proved by logical reasoning, nor can anyone see the process of God’s creation of the world; but we can clearly know that the universe is evolving, the solar system is evolving, and the earth is evolving, and eventually die out . When you look up at the starry sky, what you see is not a fixed momentary scene. Suppose your field of vision can be arbitrarily galloped with your thoughts. What you see is the Cowherd star 16 years ago, because the light from the Cowherd star It takes 16 years to reach the earth; the black hole in the photos that humans have successfully photographed recently, what we see is its image 55 million years ago, and what is the state of it at this moment? We can't know it in an intuitive way. In the process of our brief understanding of the universe, humans have been able to observe the various events that have occurred during the long process of the evolution of the universe. For example, humans have quite clearly understood that stars like the sun start from birth and go through their prime. , The process of gradual aging and eventual demise.
Obviously there should be something that will not perish. In formulating these principles and principles, the extinction of anything will not affect the effectiveness of these principles and principles at all, because the formulation of these principles and principles does not belong to anything that is destined to perish. .
3. Therefore, there must be an eternal existence that has formulated principles and principles; or this eternal existence is the principle itself.
So God is the way, truth, authority, life.
All things in the real world have a day of extinction, including the universe itself. So there must be an eternal thing that transcends all existing things, in formulating principles and principles, in creating everything, and in dominating the world; or this eternal thing itself is embodied as principle principles, which itself is principle principles.
Therefore, in addition to all things destined to perish, there must be an eternal thing, and it will formulate the principles and principles that will always play a role. We call this eternal existence God; in these principles and principles, God is reflected the presence. As the Bible says: Heaven and earth are going to go away, and my words will last forever. We do follow the principles and principles all the time, so God works all the time .
4. So God is an eternal existence, free and eternal. The emergence and evolution of the real world embodies the will of God. God creates the world and dominates the world.



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5. God's actions must be easy to detect
We say that God is omnipresent and omnipotent, then God’s actions must be manifested and easily perceivable, and should not be perceived by only a few prophets, so God’s actions must be universal phenomenon. The difference between ordinary people and prophets is that ordinary people know a certain act, not think it is from the hand of God, and the prophet can realize the universality and omnipotence of God from this act.
Let us know this loving father who created us. He love us because he creates us; just as our parents raise us, they love us.
 
For example, the gravitational effect of physics plays a role in the evolution of stars. The principle refers to the same principle as gravity. When the outward expansion of the star's nuclear fusion force is not enough to counteract the gravitational force between the matter, the star collapses, produces a violent explosion, becomes a red giant star, and then evolves into a white dwarf star. Our sun will go through this process.
Do you think the world is out of order?
In addition, the development of high-level life from low-level life, and finally the development of human beings, the principles followed are very simple. The basis of all the phenomena of life is the evolution of the genetic material DNA. Do you know that human genes contain bacterial genes? Did you know that changes in human embryos require the management of lower life forms: single cells, multi-cells, fish-like, amphibians, and then show the appearance of humans? Do you know how different our genes are from apes? Less than 2%.
 
cool

but we already know this-i suggest posting this on the main beliefs and skepticism forum
 
The existence of God is not revealed by logic.
 
The existence of God is not revealed by logic.

Logic is the correct way of thinking for humans to think about problems and recognize things. In this way, we know the world created by God, and we must also know God in this way. Prophets must also recognize the existence of God from the information received by their senses, which is logical in itself. Aristotle's "Metaphysics" discusses that knowledge originates from the perception of the world by our senses. At the same time, Aristotle demonstrated the existence of a great God (God) forever with his meticulous logical thinking.
 
Logic is the correct way of thinking for humans to think about problems and recognize things. In this way, we know the world created by God, and we must also know God in this way. Prophets must also recognize the existence of God from the information received by their senses, which is logical in itself. Aristotle's "Metaphysics" discusses that knowledge originates from the perception of the world by our senses. At the same time, Aristotle demonstrated the existence of a great God (God) forever with his meticulous logical thinking.

Then all it takes to disprove God is a better logical statement...and *poof* the church pews empty.

As long as "God makes logical sense to me" is your only connection to God, you have no actual connection to God.

Because, "The existence of God is not revealed by logic." Once God reveals Himself to a person, and bestows upon them the gift of Life by His grace, He opens their eyes, ears, heart, bringing the spirit to life, then the understanding and logic of the world around us illuminates God everywhere and in everything.
 
Then all it takes to disprove God is a better logical statement...and *poof* the church pews empty.

As long as "God makes logical sense to me" is your only connection to God, you have no actual connection to God.

Because, "The existence of God is not revealed by logic." Once God reveals Himself to a person, and bestows upon them the gift of Life by His grace, He opens their eyes, ears, heart, bringing the spirit to life, then the understanding and logic of the world around us illuminates God everywhere and in everything.

Without logic, there is no rational thinking, and there is no such thing as existence and nothingness, and no right or wrong. Your words are meaningless, because you must contradict yourself and turn upside down.
 
Without logic, there is no rational thinking, and there is no such thing as existence and nothingness, and no right or wrong. Your words are meaningless, because you must contradict yourself and turn upside down.

Not at all. In every decision we face, the options are to trust self or trust God; ask self or ask God, request permission from self or permission from God. Ask your church friend, ask the preacher, ask anyone else but God. Logic dictates self-evaluation and reasoning; e.g. arguments among oneself.

Seeking God's will is about patience and obedience to His will.
 
Not at all. In every decision we face, the options are to trust self or trust God; ask self or ask God, request permission from self or permission from God. Ask your church friend, ask the preacher, ask anyone else but God. Logic dictates self-evaluation and reasoning; e.g. arguments among oneself.

Seeking God's will is about patience and obedience to His will.

God saves self-saved people, the two are not contradictory
 
"...self-saved people..."

That's a new one I hadn't heard before. Go on...

God grants all living species the right to multiply and protect themselves. Self-salvation must also be the will of God.
 
"...self-saved people..."

That's a new one I hadn't heard before. Go on...
Not that new. 'God helps those who help themselves'. Of course this makes salvation indistinguishable from self help, and seems to make the gods fairly superfluous.

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Not that new. 'God helps those who help themselves'. Of course this makes salvation indistinguishable from self help, and seems to make the gods fairly superfluous.

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'God helps those who help themselves' is a religious euphemism that is simply untrue.

It's just a positive affirmation. It's not biblical.
 
God grants all living species the right to multiply and protect themselves. Self-salvation must also be the will of God.

I'm not sure where that rabbit hole goes, but thanks for the explanation.
 
Not that new. 'God helps those who help themselves'. Of course this makes salvation indistinguishable from self help, and seems to make the gods fairly superfluous.

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Only by conforming to the Word of God can we be blessed by God. How can God be superfluous?
 
'God helps those who help themselves' is a religious euphemism that is simply untrue.

It's just a positive affirmation. It's not biblical.

This is a very real question. If we give up our efforts and rely solely on God’s salvation, I don’t know when we can be saved? I don’t know when we Chinese can overthrow the CCP’s tyranny?
 
Only by conforming to the Word of God can we be blessed by God. How can God be superfluous?
How am I supposed to reply to assertions like this other than to say 'i see no reason to believe that is true'? If we cannot tell whether the aid ultimately comes from us+a god versus just from us, then the god might just be irrelevant, and worse: multiplying causal agencies contra Occam's Razor. If the work we do on our own behalf is a sufficient explanation for the improvement in our circumstances, adding a god in the mix seems unwarranted

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'God helps those who help themselves' is a religious euphemism that is simply untrue.

It's just a positive affirmation. It's not biblical.
I don't consider biblical affirmations to be any more authoritative than 'just' affirmations. But I was aware that this was not a biblical quote. I was merely suggesting that the sentiment wasn't anything new.

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This is a very real question. If we give up our efforts and rely solely on God’s salvation, I don’t know when we can be saved? I don’t know when we Chinese can overthrow the CCP’s tyranny?

I spent 3 years in Qinghai province, Xining. I know the Han and Hui people. I know the Uyghur, and Tibetan Buddhists. I've been to the Tsar Lamasery, Xian, Gansu, and of course Beijing, Forbidden City, Summer Palace, Tian Jin, and many other places.

I know China well. I smuggled Chinese language Bibles into the country. The people are warm and friendly. They invited me into their homes and cooked for me. I have many, many photos and many many friends.

There are house churches in China. Secret meetings in peoples homes. The Lord will lead you to them if you want to.
 
I spent 3 years in Qinghai province, Xining. I know the Han and Hui people. I know the Uyghur, and Tibetan Buddhists. I've been to the Tsar Lamasery, Xian, Gansu, and of course Beijing, Forbidden City, Summer Palace, Tian Jin, and many other places.

I know China well. I smuggled Chinese language Bibles into the country. The people are warm and friendly. They invited me into their homes and cooked for me. I have many, many photos and many many friends.

There are house churches in China. Secret meetings in peoples homes. The Lord will lead you to them if you want to.
That sounds like a really good deal. Do you know anywhere I can go to trade all my old bibles for chinese food? ;)

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How am I supposed to reply to assertions like this other than to say 'i see no reason to believe that is true'? If we cannot tell whether the aid ultimately comes from us+a god versus just from us, then the god might just be irrelevant, and worse: multiplying causal agencies contra Occam's Razor. If the work we do on our own behalf is a sufficient explanation for the improvement in our circumstances, adding a god in the mix seems unwarranted

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Salvation must ultimately come from God. The salvation of God is carried out in such a way that following the word of God will be saved. That is, to act in accordance with the rules established by God to govern the operation of the world, we will be blessed and saved by God.
 
I spent 3 years in Qinghai province, Xining. I know the Han and Hui people. I know the Uyghur, and Tibetan Buddhists. I've been to the Tsar Lamasery, Xian, Gansu, and of course Beijing, Forbidden City, Summer Palace, Tian Jin, and many other places.

I know China well. I smuggled Chinese language Bibles into the country. The people are warm and friendly. They invited me into their homes and cooked for me. I have many, many photos and many many friends.

There are house churches in China. Secret meetings in peoples homes. The Lord will lead you to them if you want to.
thank you very much. There have been many missionaries in history dedicated to Chinese, and we are grateful.
 
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