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What is hell?

Elvira said:
And we know that the dead cannot think, feel, or experience anything...the Bible says so...Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10... so how can they be tormented by burning forever? Thye can't...
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Unless you are the rich man in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.
 
it's just me said:
Unless you are the rich man in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.
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Actually, the parable Jesus gave was about certain class of people, just like you...see if you can figure out who you represent in his parable...

Jesus said “a certain man was rich, and he used to deck himself with purple and linen, enjoying himself from day to day with magnificence.” (Luke 16:19) Who was this rich man who gloried in his riches? Whom did he represent? Why, Jesus had just been speaking to them, the money-loving Pharisees. Notice the similarity of expression. Jesus said: “You . . . declare yourselves righteous before men.” Likewise the rich man “used to deck himself with purple and linen.” (Luke 16:15, 19) The Pharisees did not wait or depend on someone else to declare them righteous. Likewise the rich man did not wait or depend on someone else to invest him with the robes and insignia of royalty and outstanding virtue and righteousness, symbolized by the purple and linen. Neither God nor his servant Christ Jesus, nor the prophets, such as Isaiah, ever declared the religious rulers of Israel a righteous class. Far otherwise! But those of that class were never slow in parading their own righteousness. Just like that rich man, they showed it in their dress and general demeanor, as Jesus said: “They broaden the scripture-containing cases that they wear as safeguards, and enlarge the fringes of their garments. They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues . . . [and] outwardly indeed appear beautiful . . . [and] righteous to men.”​—Matt. 23:5, 6, 27, 28; 6:1, 2.

Now what about the beggar? Jesus left the rich man without a name, but he gave the beggar the Jewish name Lazarus, meaning “God is helper.” He “used to be put at his [the rich man’s] gate, full of ulcers and desiring to be filled with the things dropping from the table of the rich man. Yes, too, the dogs would come and lick his ulcers.” (Luke 16:20, 21) As with the rich man, we do not have to look far to find the class represented by Lazarus. Jesus had just been speaking about them. In fact, it was the Pharisees who caused Jesus to talk about this other class when they complained about his welcoming the tax collectors and sinners. (Luke 15:1, 2) Also, note that, just prior to that, Jesus said to one of the rulers of the Pharisees: “When you spread a feast, invite poor people, crippled, lame, blind.” Yes, the beggar represented primarily the poor and spiritually impoverished among the Jews. They were greatly despised by the ruling class, who “trusted in themselves that they were righteous and who considered the rest as nothing,” as, like Lazarus, fit company only for dogs. Even worse, the chief priests and Pharisees, speaking angrily about the people who accepted Jesus, said: “This crowd that does not know the Law are accursed people.” The rulers, like the rich man, made no provision for any spiritual sustenance for the poor people, who were “conscious of their spiritual need” and eagerly looked for any scraps dropped from the rich man’s lavish table.​—Luke 14:13; 18:9; John 7:49; Matt. 5:3.
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The Haughty versus The Humble — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Elvira said:
Actually, the parable Jesus gave was about certain class of people, just like you...see if you can figure out who you represent in his parable...

The Haughty versus The Humble — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
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Number one, I don't recognize your Watchtower jibberish. Number two, the JW lies not only about my Church but the Jews in Christ's time are not only uncharitable but unfounded. In other words, those are bigoted lies. May I remind you that most of Christ's followers were jews themselves? For your information, one of the most Christian men I have ever known was a Jew, not a haughty, sneering pagan (and you can figure out who you represent in that scenario). I won't tell you about my record of charity to the Church and the poor because I know you'd try to use that against me, so I will tell you about my friend's record. He gave to all who asked him, Jew or gentile, so generously that at times I questioned his judgment in doing so, but it all worked out for him.

If you want to say Jews are cheap (which I've heard entirely too many times in this lifetime) I ask you: how many times have you put on a dinner, lunch, or holiday feast and invited the poor, the lame, and the blind?

And your bigoted claims about the "clergy class" are a figment of your imagination, and it tells me just how much time you have spent in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. None.
 
it's just me said:
Number one, I don't recognize your Watchtower jibberish. Number two, the JW lies not only about my Church but the Jews in Christ's time are not only uncharitable but unfounded. In other words, those are bigoted lies. May I remind you that most of Christ's followers were jews themselves? For your information, one of the most Christian men I have ever known was a Jew, not a haughty, sneering pagan (and you can figure out who you represent in that scenario). I won't tell you about my record of charity to the Church and the poor because I know you'd try to use that against me, so I will tell you about my friend's record. He gave to all who asked him, Jew or gentile, so generously that at times I questioned his judgment in doing so, but it all worked out for him.

If you want to say Jews are cheap (which I've heard entirely too many times in this lifetime) I ask you: how many times have you put on a dinner, lunch, or holiday feast and invited the poor, the lame, and the blind?

And your bigoted claims about the "clergy class" are a figment of your imagination, and it tells me just how much time you have spent in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. None.
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Of course you don't...you wouldn't recognize the truth if it walked up and slapped you in the face...lol...
 
Elvira said:
Of course you don't...you wouldn't recognize the truth if it walked up and slapped you in the face...lol...
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Projecting again? Tell me, what do you have to confirm your beliefs other than the scripture you twist yourself and what the snake handlers tell you? Answer: nothing. You can't pick up one textbook from one seminary or one Study Bible from one Jesus bookstore that confirms your beliefs, and the reason for that is, nobody else believes it. So, if Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, Anglicans, and Methodists all think you are wrong, what makes you think you are right, other than the fact that you desperately need to be right?
 
it's just me said:
Projecting again? Tell me, what do you have to confirm your beliefs other than the scripture you twist yourself and what the snake handlers tell you? Answer: nothing. You can't pick up one textbook from one seminary or one Study Bible from one Jesus bookstore that confirms your beliefs, and the reason for that is, nobody else believes it. So, if Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, Anglicans, and Methodists all think you are wrong, what makes you think you are right, other than the fact that you desperately need to be right?
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“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it." Matthew 7:13,14
 
Elvira said:
“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it." Matthew 7:13,14
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The wide gate you are going through has enough room for the atheists, cultists, and the false religions. I saw something the other day that you agree with Bart Ehrman, who is not a Christian at all, he's not even a theologian.
 
it's just me said:
The wide gate you are going through has enough room for the atheists, cultists, and the false religions. I saw something the other day that you agree with Bart Ehrman, who is not a Christian at all, he's not even a theologian.
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I was sure you'd not see the significance of what Jesus said and I was right...
 
Elvira said:
I was sure you'd not see the significance of what Jesus said and I was right...
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I've known about it all along, you're the one who's got it bass ackwards.

My point was that you can't corroborate it with ANYBODY. Nobody will back you up because you are about as far from Christianity as it gets. And I really don't care what you believe but it ain't Christianity.
 
it's just me said:
I've known about it all along, you're the one who's got it bass ackwards.

My point was that you can't corroborate it with ANYBODY. Nobody will back you up because you are about as far from Christianity as it gets. And I really don't care what you believe but it ain't Christianity.
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uh huh...lol...
 
Hell is for children

 
Elvira said:
No corner where I am...I just know you're full of it...:2razz:
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Nobody is as full of it as you are but mostly you are full of yourself.
 
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