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    Was Jesus hung on a cross?

    You know the Watchtower claims that Christ wasn’t hung on a cross but on a pole. They throw rocks at all the other Christian religions for teaching that Jesus was crucified.

    It is interesting that the “torture stake” theory was introduced not by Charles Taze Russell (founder of the Bible Students movement) but by none other than the trial lawyer, “Judge” Rutherford. Trial lawyers make their living by manipulating words. They can shade and change the meaning of words and testimony in order to change opinion or even question established fact.

    Rutherford made his living doing this in court and he continued his assault when he seized control of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. He was a master at establishing doubt in the minds of his followers and he used it to great advantage while building a worldwide organization of followers who do nothing but parrot his failed and flawed theology.

    The Watchtower has again introduced a “paper tiger”. Saying that Jesus wasn’t crucified has absolutely no basis in reality or the historical record. Yet some people fall for their flawed arguments because they fail to think critically for themselves.

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    Re: Was Jesus hung on a cross?

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    You know the Watchtower claims that Christ wasn’t hung on a cross but on a pole. They throw rocks at all the other Christian religions for teaching that Jesus was crucified.

    It is interesting that the “torture stake” theory was introduced not by Charles Taze Russell (founder of the Bible Students movement) but by none other than the trial lawyer, “Judge” Rutherford. Trial lawyers make their living by manipulating words. They can shade and change the meaning of words and testimony in order to change opinion or even question established fact.

    Rutherford made his living doing this in court and he continued his assault when he seized control of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. He was a master at establishing doubt in the minds of his followers and he used it to great advantage while building a worldwide organization of followers who do nothing but parrot his failed and flawed theology.

    The Watchtower has again introduced a “paper tiger”. Saying that Jesus wasn’t crucified has absolutely no basis in reality or the historical record. Yet some people fall for their flawed arguments because they fail to think critically for themselves.

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    Isn't Rutherford the guy who said Armageddon was supposed to have occurred almost 100 years ago? Have any of his prophesies ever come true?
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    Re: Was Jesus hung on a cross?

    Well, it doesn't matter that much.

    There's plenty of evidence that crucifixion was the Roman's go to method of execution back in the day.

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    Re: Was Jesus hung on a cross?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Isn't Rutherford the guy who said Armageddon was supposed to have occurred almost 100 years ago? Have any of his prophesies ever come true?
    No JW prophecies never came to pass, I don't remember anything about Armageddon, but I'll check that out.
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    Re: Was Jesus hung on a cross?

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Well, it doesn't matter that much.

    There's plenty of evidence that crucifixion was the Roman's go to method of execution back in the day.
    The point was that as hard as JWs hit this torture stake thing, the idea was not even thought of until the 1920s.
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    "Rutherford, once in power, didn’t waste any time establishing his niche’. He busied himself in writing entire series of books and pamphlets bearing his unique vision of “God’s plan.” Rutherford’s vision differed greatly from that of the bearded and long haired Russell both philosophically as well as doctrinally.

    Suddenly Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving became pagan holidays.

    Suddenly Jesus came down off the cross and a pole was put in its place.

    Suddenly living a good Christian life, taking care of others and giving your time and money to charity was placed into the “not so necessary” category while the door to door sales of books and pamphlets became the prime directive.

    “Religion is a snare and a racket!”

    “Advertise Advertise Advertise the king and his kingdom!”

    These were the sales slogans of the new Bible Students!

    The term “Bible Students” was just too general and broad a name for the organization. It didn’t fit into Rutherford’s plan of having a truly unique religion so he came up with a novel idea:

    Give the organization a unique name that was legitimate but at the same time controversial! The newly dubbed Jehovah’s Witnesses (Jehovah being the English version of the name of the Hebrew God of the old testament) were sent to the remotest areas of our country bearing phonographs and wearing billboards. This was Rutherford’s marketing campaign for the new Watchtower Society and business was booming! The prior emphasis on Christ’s role in the salvation of a Christian was removed and the worship of Christ was forbidden. The organization now led by Jehovah (and Judge Rutherford) was the new channel of redemption and still is to this day!"

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    Re: Was Jesus hung on a cross?

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    You know the Watchtower claims that Christ wasn’t hung on a cross but on a pole. They throw rocks at all the other Christian religions for teaching that Jesus was crucified.

    It is interesting that the “torture stake” theory was introduced not by Charles Taze Russell (founder of the Bible Students movement) but by none other than the trial lawyer, “Judge” Rutherford. Trial lawyers make their living by manipulating words. They can shade and change the meaning of words and testimony in order to change opinion or even question established fact.

    Rutherford made his living doing this in court and he continued his assault when he seized control of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. He was a master at establishing doubt in the minds of his followers and he used it to great advantage while building a worldwide organization of followers who do nothing but parrot his failed and flawed theology.

    The Watchtower has again introduced a “paper tiger”. Saying that Jesus wasn’t crucified has absolutely no basis in reality or the historical record. Yet some people fall for their flawed arguments because they fail to think critically for themselves.

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    Let’s say it was a post ..... what changes?? Nothing..

    If I’m right mainstream historians think it was a T cross rather than a t cross, but say a Polaroid was discovered of Jesus at the crucifixion and it is a pole. What changes besides some church signs maybe?


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    Re: Was Jesus hung on a cross?

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtemisBarca View Post
    Am I crazy or am I missing the relevance?!?!!


    Let’s say it was a post ..... what changes?? Nothing..

    If I’m right mainstream historians think it was a T cross rather than a t cross, but say a Polaroid was discovered of Jesus at the crucifixion and it is a pole. What changes besides some church signs maybe?


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    Re: Was Jesus hung on a cross?

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    The point was that as hard as JWs hit this torture stake thing, the idea was not even thought of until the 1920s.
    You would be shocked if you researched when SUPER common aspects of Christian theology was implemented..


    I think Hell as a fiery place where the unbelievers go is only like 800 years old..

    Heaven as a place for our family members while awaiting Jesus’s return.. very recent.


    Oodles of crazy Catholicism was abandoned along the way...


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    Re: Was Jesus hung on a cross?

    In those days, wasn't it fairly common for (so-called) criminals to be crucified?
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