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For those Christians, what you think about Luke 9:59-60

marke said:
Any humans who refuse to give up everything in life in total submission to Christ are dead while they live.
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No one can even surrender ten percent of themselves.

They are deluding themselves in some pep talk gathering that justifies and validates, that what they are doing with their energy ammounts to surrender in their dualistic world that elevates themselves over their neighbor.
 
Exquisitor said:
Come on, you got over Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, how hard can it be?
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Believe me, beliefs in the trinity, hellfire, the immortal soul, and other lies I was taught, that were ingrained in me from almost infancy, was a lot harder...
 
Elvira said:
Believe me, beliefs in the trinity, hellfire, the immortal soul, and other lies I was taught, that were ingrained in me from almost infancy, was a lot harder...
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Those things are all true and so is Santa Clause, but as most things they exist in three states; the imaginary, the real and the misconstrued.

The job is to understand where the line lies between these realms.

People like Trump want to live all in the imaginary realm, I prefer the real and most people bungle along misconstruing into the imaginary which means energy divided by mass, a very small number.
 
Exquisitor said:
Those things are all true and so is Santa Clause, but as most things they exist in three states; the imaginary, the real and the misconstrued.

The job is to understand where the line lies between these realms.

People like Trump want to live all in the imaginary realm, I prefer the real and most people bungle along misconstruing into the imaginary which means energy divided by mass, a very small number.
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Keep believing the lies...
 
Elvira said:
Keep believing the lies...
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Santa Clause?

If there isn't one on a planet, you might want to go be it, as you rise as an adept.

So we expect to find abundant realms with Santa Clause.

How is any of this lie?

The lie is there is not important truth hidden in all religions.
 
FinnFox said:
He said to another man, “Follow me.”

But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”

60 Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

Just wanna ask like simpleton: how dead can bury dead?
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Luke 9

The Cost of Following Jesus


57 As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.”

58 Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

59 He said to another man, “Follow me.”

But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”

60 Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

61 Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.”

62 Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”




No one comes first before God/Jesus.




So people of the world are dead to Christ. They do not see His beauty, nor do they hear His voice or desire to follow Him.
Only His “sheep” will do those things (John 10:27).

The people of the world are those whom the Savior describes here as the (spiritually) dead who should bury the (physically) dead.

Let people, He says, who are not interested in My work, and who are “dead in sin” (Ephesians 2:1), take care of the dead. Your duty is now to follow Me.
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What did Jesus mean when He said "Let the dead bury the dead" (Luke 9:60)? | GotQuestions.org
 
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KevinKohler said:
The single greatest tool for the argument against Christianity is the bible, and its many variants.
You can twist words and stretch interpretations all you want...I simply take words at face value.
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And for every verse you can find one who says the opposite ...
 
Rumpel said:
And for every verse you can find one who says the opposite ...
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So, the key is studying and comparing scriptures to get the true and full meaning...not simply reading...
 
KevinKohler said:
The single greatest tool for the argument against Christianity is the bible, and its many variants.

You can twist words and stretch interpretations all you want...I simply take words at face value.
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No, the greatest argument against Christianity is Christians. We are so often a disappointment.

When you say you take words at face value, you are interpreting.

For example, please tell me what you make of these words:

Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Matthew 16:24 ESV
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I'm particularly interested in your understanding of what Jesus meant when he said "take up his cross." Why would he use that phraseology and why would he expect his followers at that time to understand it?
 
Stealers Wheel said:
No, the greatest argument against Christianity is Christians. We are so often a disappointment.

When you say you take words at face value, you are interpreting.

For example, please tell me what you make of these words:



I'm particularly interested in your understanding of what Jesus meant when he said "take up his cross." Why would he use that phraseology and why would he expect his followers at that time to understand it?
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Its written that way because it was written afterwords. Its a story. There wasn't a chronicler writing his words down as a he spoke them. This is some dude writting about him 200-300 years after the fact. Remember, at the time, there was only old testament.

As for what he meant, we all bear burdens, but we should do so as he did.
 
KevinKohler said:
Its written that way because it was written afterwords. Its a story. There wasn't a chronicler writing his words down as a he spoke them. This is some dude writting about him 200-300 years after the fact. Remember, at the time, there was only old testament.

As for what he meant, we all bear burdens, but we should do so as he did.
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Actually, I believe it is far more pedestrian than that.

Crucifying by the Romans was a fairly common occurrence. It was a spectacle that made the locals understand that they ought not trifle with their Roman occupiers.

Before a person was actually crucified, they would be flogged and beaten, usually in the prison courtyard. Beaten so badly, in fact, that the condemned actually begged for death to come. The reason for this was the Romans did not want the locals to see a man struggling against the soldiers as they put him on a cross. They were concerned that this would make the condemned look heroic, fighting to the very end. This would not serve the purpose of the public crucifixion. Therefore, once the captain of the guard was satisfied that the condemned man had no fight left in him, he would command the condemned "take up your cross and follow me!" If the man refused, the flogging would continue until he did as he was told. He would then pick up the cross beam and carry it to the place of execution, knowing what awaited him if he changed his mind and decided to fight his executioners. He accepted his fate. He surrendered.

When Jesus said "Take up his cross and follow me" he was not referring to bearing a burden, but rather to complete surrender, complete denying of one's own will and desires to the will of God in their life. It means to put one's life in God's hands to do with it what He will. And the people understood because they knew what it meant when the captain of the guard commanded "Take up your cross and follow me!"
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Actually, I believe it is far more pedestrian than that.

Crucifying by the Romans was a fairly common occurrence. It was a spectacle that made the locals understand that they ought not trifle with their Roman occupiers.

Before a person was actually crucified, they would be flogged and beaten, usually in the prison courtyard. Beaten so badly, in fact, that the condemned actually begged for death to come. The reason for this was the Romans did not want the locals to see a man struggling against the soldiers as they put him on a cross. They were concerned that this would make the condemned look heroic, fighting to the very end. This would not serve the purpose of the public crucifixion. Therefore, once the captain of the guard was satisfied that the condemned man had no fight left in him, he would command the condemned "take up your cross and follow me!" If the man refused, the flogging would continue until he did as he was told. He would then pick up the cross beam and carry it to the place of execution, knowing what awaited him if he changed his mind and decided to fight his executioners. He accepted his fate. He surrendered.

When Jesus said "Take up his cross and follow me" he was not referring to bearing a burden, but rather to complete surrender, complete denying of one's own will and desires to the will of God in their life. It means to put one's life in God's hands to do with it what He will. And the people understood because they knew what it meant when the captain of the guard commanded "Take up your cross and follow me!"
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According to Anciant manuscripts?
 
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