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    The Gospel According to Kanye

    An excerpt from Kevin Williamson's article on Kanye West's new-found faith:

    But the song in question, “Closed on Sunday,” is of some interest. It is a meditation on the Sabbath. (Chick-fil-A, a Christian-owned business, is famously closed on Sundays.) In the song, West advises (hectors, really) the listener to set aside social media and other technological distractions for the day and to turn instead to family and prayer. That is not the usual feel-good, milk-and-water, love-songs-to-Jesus style of pop-music Christianity. The Sabbath is about giving things up as well as enjoying them. Sohrab Ahmari, quondam antagonist of “David Frenchism,” has spoken wistfully about the possibility of reviving the so-called blue laws, which forbade certain kinds of commercial activity on Sundays. Taking the Sabbath seriously would represent a genuinely radical development for American Christianity, an assault on sensitive progressive cultural norms that would no doubt prove as controversial as homeschooling and abstinence advocacy. The rest of the album is similarly direct and uncompromising in its conception of Christian life and witness.

    ...Tyson is not a goo-goo New Age celebrity evangelist but is instead part of the intellectually rigorous conservative Reformed tradition, which puts a heavy emphasis on scripture and its inerrancy. Placerita Bible Church, according to its doctrinal statement, “is deeply committed to the absolute authority of the Bible. We are convinced that the Bible is the only trustworthy standard of what we should believe and how we should live. Our ultimate priority is to glorify God by faithfully proclaiming the truth of His Word so that people can clearly understand it and practically apply it to their lives.” That is the kind of Christianity in which West is being instructed. The Gospel According to Kanye | National Review

    I would like to respectfully discuss this article and various points made. I don't know whether Kanye's conversion is real or simply a momentary enthusiasm but wonder when someone presents as Christian whether we shouldn't take this at face-value.

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    Re: The Gospel According to Kanye

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    An excerpt from Kevin Williamson's article on Kanye West's new-found faith:

    But the song in question, “Closed on Sunday,” is of some interest. It is a meditation on the Sabbath. (Chick-fil-A, a Christian-owned business, is famously closed on Sundays.) In the song, West advises (hectors, really) the listener to set aside social media and other technological distractions for the day and to turn instead to family and prayer. That is not the usual feel-good, milk-and-water, love-songs-to-Jesus style of pop-music Christianity. The Sabbath is about giving things up as well as enjoying them. Sohrab Ahmari, quondam antagonist of “David Frenchism,” has spoken wistfully about the possibility of reviving the so-called blue laws, which forbade certain kinds of commercial activity on Sundays. Taking the Sabbath seriously would represent a genuinely radical development for American Christianity, an assault on sensitive progressive cultural norms that would no doubt prove as controversial as homeschooling and abstinence advocacy. The rest of the album is similarly direct and uncompromising in its conception of Christian life and witness.

    ...Tyson is not a goo-goo New Age celebrity evangelist but is instead part of the intellectually rigorous conservative Reformed tradition, which puts a heavy emphasis on scripture and its inerrancy. Placerita Bible Church, according to its doctrinal statement, “is deeply committed to the absolute authority of the Bible. We are convinced that the Bible is the only trustworthy standard of what we should believe and how we should live. Our ultimate priority is to glorify God by faithfully proclaiming the truth of His Word so that people can clearly understand it and practically apply it to their lives.” That is the kind of Christianity in which West is being instructed. The Gospel According to Kanye | National Review

    I would like to respectfully discuss this article and various points made. I don't know whether Kanye's conversion is real or simply a momentary enthusiasm but wonder when someone presents as Christian whether we shouldn't take this at face-value.
    From his first album, Kanye has always shown some kind of faith. One of my favorites songs from his first album "Jesus Walks" seems to explore, imo, how to keep your faith while occasionally slipping, avoiding temptation, and staying strong some aspects of your life look down on the faithful.

    But is this new persona of his actually to be taken seriously? The article makes some good points to argue either way. In the end if Kanye is living his faith the best he can and it helps himself and his family to be a better people then so be it but only time will tell if he is serious or not. Having Kim Kardashian for a wife doesn't seem to help his Christian case.
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    Re: The Gospel According to Kanye

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    From his first album, Kanye has always shown some kind of faith. One of my favorites songs from his first album "Jesus Walks" seems to explore, imo, how to keep your faith while occasionally slipping, avoiding temptation, and staying strong some aspects of your life look down on the faithful.

    But is this new persona of his actually to be taken seriously? The article makes some good points to argue either way. In the end if Kanye is living his faith the best he can and it helps himself and his family to be a better people then so be it but only time will tell if he is serious or not. Having Kim Kardashian for a wife doesn't seem to help his Christian case.
    I've read that he's insisting that she dress more modestly and not allowing North to wear makeup. We'll see how all that goes.

    But I'm hoping that Kanye is sincere and that this isn't just an enthusiasm. I've read several cynical comments about how when he doesn't make the same kind of money, he'll return to his old rapping, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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    Re: The Gospel According to Kanye

    Kanye will be at Joel Osteen's church on Sunday: Kanye West to take stage at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church Sunday – Disrn

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    Re: The Gospel According to Kanye

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Bummer.

    My kid played the album for me.
    Parts are alright.

    I said that if West is sincere, then I wish him all the best.
    I pointed out that he makes his living via self-promotion. That gives me pause and cause to doubt West's sincerity.
    I told my kid, "...as long as West doesn't start acting like the scammy, scummy TV preachers..."

    Working with Joel Olsteen is not a good sign imho.

    It looks like West is just running another hustle.

    Bummer.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: The Gospel According to Kanye

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    An excerpt from Kevin Williamson's article on Kanye West's new-found faith:

    But the song in question, “Closed on Sunday,” is of some interest. It is a meditation on the Sabbath. (Chick-fil-A, a Christian-owned business, is famously closed on Sundays.) In the song, West advises (hectors, really) the listener to set aside social media and other technological distractions for the day and to turn instead to family and prayer. That is not the usual feel-good, milk-and-water, love-songs-to-Jesus style of pop-music Christianity. The Sabbath is about giving things up as well as enjoying them. Sohrab Ahmari, quondam antagonist of “David Frenchism,” has spoken wistfully about the possibility of reviving the so-called blue laws, which forbade certain kinds of commercial activity on Sundays. Taking the Sabbath seriously would represent a genuinely radical development for American Christianity, an assault on sensitive progressive cultural norms that would no doubt prove as controversial as homeschooling and abstinence advocacy. The rest of the album is similarly direct and uncompromising in its conception of Christian life and witness.

    ...Tyson is not a goo-goo New Age celebrity evangelist but is instead part of the intellectually rigorous conservative Reformed tradition, which puts a heavy emphasis on scripture and its inerrancy. Placerita Bible Church, according to its doctrinal statement, “is deeply committed to the absolute authority of the Bible. We are convinced that the Bible is the only trustworthy standard of what we should believe and how we should live. Our ultimate priority is to glorify God by faithfully proclaiming the truth of His Word so that people can clearly understand it and practically apply it to their lives.” That is the kind of Christianity in which West is being instructed. The Gospel According to Kanye | National Review

    I would like to respectfully discuss this article and various points made. I don't know whether Kanye's conversion is real or simply a momentary enthusiasm but wonder when someone presents as Christian whether we shouldn't take this at face-value.
    I dunno, Bene, I always raise an eyebrow at anyone who gets rich on Christ's message. The fact that he's connected with Osteen makes it ever more ... yucky? hehe...

    I haven't checked out the lyrics, so I can't speak to the theology...but his lifestyle, like Osteen's, doesn't really look like the real deal...that whole camel through the eye of a needle thing. He can hector his audience about getting off of social media on Sunday's, but has he earned that right, being a centimillionaire (or billionaire, depending on if you believe him or Forbes) and living a lavish lifestyle, while people are dying in poverty in his own country, and around the world?

    Kanye West just called himself a billionaire, disputing Forbes - Business Insider

    I dunno...how do we determine the piety and spiritual wisdom of the super rich? They're like a different species, a different branch of evolution. With that in mind, I'll likely take my spiritual guidance from my small town pastor. She drives a old Chevy, not a Bentley... I suspect she has greater insight into the lives we are called to live.
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    Re: The Gospel According to Kanye

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Bummer.

    My kid played the album for me.
    Parts are alright.

    I said that if West is sincere, then I wish him all the best.
    I pointed out that he makes his living via self-promotion. That gives me pause and cause to doubt West's sincerity.
    I told my kid, "...as long as West doesn't start acting like the scammy, scummy TV preachers..."

    Working with Joel Olsteen is not a good sign imho.

    It looks like West is just running another hustle.

    Bummer.
    I really, really, really hope you're wrong. But I'm always wary of "enthusiasms."

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    Re: The Gospel According to Kanye

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    I dunno, Bene, I always raise an eyebrow at anyone who gets rich on Christ's message. The fact that he's connected with Osteen makes it ever more ... yucky? hehe...

    I haven't checked out the lyrics, so I can't speak to the theology...but his lifestyle, like Osteen's, doesn't really look like the real deal...that whole camel through the eye of a needle thing. He can hector his audience about getting off of social media on Sunday's, but has he earned that right, being a centimillionaire (or billionaire, depending on if you believe him or Forbes) and living a lavish lifestyle, while people are dying in poverty in his own country, and around the world?

    Kanye West just called himself a billionaire, disputing Forbes - Business Insider

    I dunno...how do we determine the piety and spiritual wisdom of the super rich? They're like a different species, a different branch of evolution. With that in mind, I'll likely take my spiritual guidance from my small town pastor. She drives a old Chevy, not a Bentley... I suspect she has greater insight into the lives we are called to live.
    She just might. But it's also true that an "influencer" reaches more people. Of course, if it's a bad message....

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    Re: The Gospel According to Kanye

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    She just might. But it's also true that an "influencer" reaches more people. Of course, if it's a bad message....
    And that's the issue. The message he's sending isn't simply his lyrics, it's how he lives his life. I had a paragraph written that spoke to that, then deleted it, with the same concern in mind.

    But then, Philippians 1:15-18 comes to mind.

    I dunno...I guess I just think that we don't need another rich Christian in the world, telling everyone what to do, while living in a state of perpetual hypocrisy. We're taking it on the chin badly enough as it is, for that very reason. People look at Osteen, and all of a sudden it's "Christians are hypocrites" and "tax the Church"... But that's not what the Church is.
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    Re: The Gospel According to Kanye

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    And that's the issue. The message he's sending isn't simply his lyrics, it's how he lives his life. I had a paragraph written that spoke to that, then deleted it, with the same concern in mind.

    But then, Philippians 1:15-18 comes to mind.

    I dunno...I guess I just think that we don't need another rich Christian in the world, telling everyone what to do, while living in a state of perpetual hypocrisy. We're taking it on the chin badly enough as it is, for that very reason. People look at Osteen, and all of a sudden it's "Christians are hypocrites" and "tax the Church"... But that's not what the Church is.
    I'll stop you here because making this point is so futile for those of ill will, sigh.

    But thank you for this:

    15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

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