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    Abraham was not a Jew

    So says Alice Linsley, anthropologist and former Episcopal Priest.

    Many people think that Christianity emerged out of Judaism, but the core belief of the Messianic Faith is that the son of God would take on flesh, be sacrificed, and rise again. This belief was already evident among Abraham’s Horite Hebrew people before 3000 BC. They believed in God Father (Ra or Ani) and God Son (Horus or Enki). Jews reject the very idea that God has a son. Yet the Scriptures say that it is impossible to be saved unless one believes that Jesus is the son of God (Genesis 3:15; Proverbs 30:4, Hosea 11:1; Luke 1:35; John 3:14-17; John 6:40; John 6:69-70; John 20:31; 1 John 5:13). This is why the Apostle Paul speaks of believers being grafted into Abraham, not Judaism. Judaism is not the faith of Abraham the Hebrew.

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    Re: Abraham was not a Jew

    Thats blasphemy.

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    Re: Abraham was not a Jew

    "Abraham was not a Jew"

    Duh. "Judaism" did not come about until the time of Joshua and the tribe of Judah.

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    Re: Abraham was not a Jew

    Quote Originally Posted by Airyaman View Post
    "Abraham was not a Jew"

    Duh. "Judaism" did not come about until the time of Joshua and the tribe of Judah.
    Duh. You didn't even read the article.
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    Re: Abraham was not a Jew

    "Biblical Anthropology," talk about your contradiction in terms...

    Anyway, Abraham was a faith and spiritual uniter (and that was about it.) Others took those concepts and blended them with other Bronze Age beliefs that created a plethora of competing belief systems, one of which was Judaism.

    This "Episcopal Priest" is taking a set of conclusions and argumentative positions on the period, and applying them in an adversarial way against the consensus on why we call Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as all Abrahamic Religions. Splinters of his time, not Abraham himself being one of the three.

    The split of Christianity from Judaism because of the concept of "son of God" is irrelevant. That concept itself predates any sense of monotheism going back to some of the earliest days of polytheism, was not original thinking for Christianity at all, nor was it central to how Abraham united various beliefs (that can only be described as tribal, or area, beliefs.)

    Being of "Abraham’s descendants" is more central to that discussion, but itself has no proof or absence of proof on Abraham being any of the religions we attribute to his efforts (or even simply who he was at the time.) Because again, that is not the point.
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    Re: Abraham was not a Jew

    I struggle to understand why it matters to anyone. It almost smacks of anti-semitism. How would anyone know since there is little evidence that he existed.
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    Re: Abraham was not a Jew

    Christianity > Christ > Jesus > Judaism
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    Re: Abraham was not a Jew

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    "Biblical Anthropology," talk about your contradiction in terms...

    Anyway, Abraham was a faith and spiritual uniter (and that was about it.) Others took those concepts and blended them with other Bronze Age beliefs that created a plethora of competing belief systems, one of which was Judaism.

    This "Episcopal Priest" is taking a set of conclusions and argumentative positions on the period, and applying them in an adversarial way against the consensus on why we call Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as all Abrahamic Religions. Splinters of his time, not Abraham himself being one of the three.

    The split of Christianity from Judaism because of the concept of "son of God" is irrelevant. That concept itself predates any sense of monotheism going back to some of the earliest days of polytheism, was not original thinking for Christianity at all, nor was it central to how Abraham united various beliefs (that can only be described as tribal, or area, beliefs.)

    Being of "Abraham’s descendants" is more central to that discussion, but itself has no proof or absence of proof on Abraham being any of the religions we attribute to his efforts (or even simply who he was at the time.) Because again, that is not the point.
    She does present her evidence for Christianity being "Abraham's descendants" in this and other articles.
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    Re: Abraham was not a Jew

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    Duh. You didn't even read the article.
    I don't have to. Judaism did not exist in the time of Abraham, so how could he be a Jew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenmandy85 View Post
    I struggle to understand why it matters to anyone. It almost smacks of anti-semitism. How would anyone know since there is little evidence that he existed.
    Six posts in and you're claiming "anti-Semitism" already.
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