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Abraham was not a Jew

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So says Alice Linsley, anthropologist and former Episcopal Priest.

Many people think that Christianity emerged out of Judaism, but the core belief of the Messianic Faith is that the son of God would take on flesh, be sacrificed, and rise again. This belief was already evident among Abraham’s Horite Hebrew people before 3000 BC. They believed in God Father (Ra or Ani) and God Son (Horus or Enki). Jews reject the very idea that God has a son. Yet the Scriptures say that it is impossible to be saved unless one believes that Jesus is the son of God (Genesis 3:15; Proverbs 30:4, Hosea 11:1; Luke 1:35; John 3:14-17; John 6:40; John 6:69-70; John 20:31; 1 John 5:13). This is why the Apostle Paul speaks of believers being grafted into Abraham, not Judaism. Judaism is not the faith of Abraham the Hebrew.

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Thats blasphemy.
 
"Abraham was not a Jew"

Duh. "Judaism" did not come about until the time of Joshua and the tribe of Judah.
 
Airyaman said:
"Abraham was not a Jew"

Duh. "Judaism" did not come about until the time of Joshua and the tribe of Judah.
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Duh. You didn't even read the article.
 
"Biblical Anthropology," talk about your contradiction in terms... :roll:

Anyway, Abraham was a faith and spiritual uniter (and that was about it.) Others took those concepts and blended them with other Bronze Age beliefs that created a plethora of competing belief systems, one of which was Judaism.

This "Episcopal Priest" is taking a set of conclusions and argumentative positions on the period, and applying them in an adversarial way against the consensus on why we call Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as all Abrahamic Religions. Splinters of his time, not Abraham himself being one of the three.

The split of Christianity from Judaism because of the concept of "son of God" is irrelevant. That concept itself predates any sense of monotheism going back to some of the earliest days of polytheism, was not original thinking for Christianity at all, nor was it central to how Abraham united various beliefs (that can only be described as tribal, or area, beliefs.)

Being of "Abraham’s descendants" is more central to that discussion, but itself has no proof or absence of proof on Abraham being any of the religions we attribute to his efforts (or even simply who he was at the time.) Because again, that is not the point.
 
I struggle to understand why it matters to anyone. It almost smacks of anti-semitism. How would anyone know since there is little evidence that he existed.
 
Christianity > Christ > Jesus > Judaism
 
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OrphanSlug said:
"Biblical Anthropology," talk about your contradiction in terms... :roll:

Anyway, Abraham was a faith and spiritual uniter (and that was about it.) Others took those concepts and blended them with other Bronze Age beliefs that created a plethora of competing belief systems, one of which was Judaism.

This "Episcopal Priest" is taking a set of conclusions and argumentative positions on the period, and applying them in an adversarial way against the consensus on why we call Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as all Abrahamic Religions. Splinters of his time, not Abraham himself being one of the three.

The split of Christianity from Judaism because of the concept of "son of God" is irrelevant. That concept itself predates any sense of monotheism going back to some of the earliest days of polytheism, was not original thinking for Christianity at all, nor was it central to how Abraham united various beliefs (that can only be described as tribal, or area, beliefs.)

Being of "Abraham’s descendants" is more central to that discussion, but itself has no proof or absence of proof on Abraham being any of the religions we attribute to his efforts (or even simply who he was at the time.) Because again, that is not the point.
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She does present her evidence for Christianity being "Abraham's descendants" in this and other articles.
 
queenmandy85 said:
I struggle to understand why it matters to anyone. It almost smacks of anti-semitism. How would anyone know since there is little evidence that he existed.
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Six posts in and you're claiming "anti-Semitism" already.
 
Airyaman said:
I don't have to. Judaism did not exist in the time of Abraham, so how could he be a Jew?
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The purpose of the post was not the title. And there was a point to this if you guys ever let me get to it.
 
Airyaman said:
"Abraham was not a Jew"

Duh. "Judaism" did not come about until the time of Joshua and the tribe of Judah.
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How did you come up with that tidbit of nonsense?
 
Airyaman said:
I don't have to. Judaism did not exist in the time of Abraham, so how could he be a Jew?
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The letter "j" does not exist in Hebrew. It is a Roman invention.
 
it's just me said:
So says Alice Linsley, anthropologist and former Episcopal Priest.

Many people think that Christianity emerged out of Judaism, but the core belief of the Messianic Faith is that the son of God would take on flesh, be sacrificed, and rise again. This belief was already evident among Abraham’s Horite Hebrew people before 3000 BC. They believed in God Father (Ra or Ani) and God Son (Horus or Enki). Jews reject the very idea that God has a son. Yet the Scriptures say that it is impossible to be saved unless one believes that Jesus is the son of God (Genesis 3:15; Proverbs 30:4, Hosea 11:1; Luke 1:35; John 3:14-17; John 6:40; John 6:69-70; John 20:31; 1 John 5:13). This is why the Apostle Paul speaks of believers being grafted into Abraham, not Judaism. Judaism is not the faith of Abraham the Hebrew.

BIBLICAL ANTHROPOLOGY: Search results for Abraham
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Abraham is not a historical figure that we can accurately describe as belonging to any particular faith. He is a literary character, so debating his characteristics as if he was a real person is pointless.
 
it's just me said:
She does present her evidence for Christianity being "Abraham's descendants" in this and other articles.
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The point is this "Episcopal Priest" is making things up, and coming to invalid conclusions.
 
Well, this thread is toast already. That's got to be some kind of a record.
 
queenmandy85 said:
I struggle to understand why it matters to anyone. It almost smacks of anti-semitism. How would anyone know since there is little evidence that he existed.
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Good point. Except then there is no point in discussing the word of the Torah, the OT, the NT, the Quran or whatever collection of faith put in writing. I can say there is no proof of a supernatural being, but that it can't be disproven, and argue/discuss these writings of faith as facts within themselves, and hypothesis therefrom, just as we argue our own Constitution or might argue The Lord of the Rings or anything else.
 
How could Abraham be a Jew? The patriarch of the Tribe of Judah was his great grandson.
 
The real question is why is this important to people.
 
CaughtInThe said:
The real question is why is this important to people.
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No, the real question is that if it is unimportant to you why are you in this thread? There was a (tangential) point to this but I am not going to wade through this BS to get to it. Turn out the light on your way out.
 
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