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Glowpun

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An uncle lived with my parents and siblings.

He came down with cancer and during the last three weeks of his life he was placed in a facility for those folks whose life is expected to shortly end (don't recall what name is).

Three days after his passing when I was starting to wake up, I heard footsteps in the hallway that sounded like his footsteps. The family dog that was with me made a low growling sound when I heard (or thought I heard) his footsteps.

Am wondering, could it have been his spirit coming home? If so, where did the spirit go? Or was I just imaging all this?
But if so, what caused the dog to growl?
 
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Glowpun said:
An uncle lived with my parents and siblings.

He came down with cancer and during the last three weeks of his life he was placed in a facility for those folks whose life is expected to shortly end (don't recall what name is).

Three days after his passing when I was starting to wake up, I heard footsteps in the hallway that sounded like his footsteps. The family dog that was with me made a low growling sound when I heard (or thought I heard) his footsteps.

Am wondering, could it have been his spirit coming home? If so, where did the spirit go? Or was I just imaging all this?
But if so, what caused the dog to growl?
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The Bible speaks of the life-force as being our spirit so no, I don't think it was his spirit you heard...

"Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7

"When you hide your face, they are disturbed. If you take away their spirit, they die and return to the dust." Psalm 104:29
 
He's Jesus 2.0



On a serious note, according to Catholics, there are no ghosts, only demons masquerading as such.
 
Glowpun said:
Am wondering, could it have been his spirit coming home? If so, where did the spirit go? Or was I just imaging all this?
But if so, what caused the dog to growl?
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There is zero concrete evidence for the existence of any kind of “spirit” or any ability for any element of a person continuing after death to directly interact with us. There is loads of evidence of people dreaming or imagining such things, especially shortly after the death of someone close to them. On that basis, there is no valid reason to simply presume the first explanation over the second for any unexplained experience.
 
KevinKohler said:
He's Jesus 2.0



On a serious note, according to Catholics, there are no ghosts, only demons masquerading as such.
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That is what the Bible tells us...we are warned to stay far away from "anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead." Deuteronomy 18:10-12
 
HonestJoe said:
There is zero concrete evidence for the existence of any kind of “spirit” or any ability for any element of a person continuing after death to directly interact with us. There is loads of evidence of people dreaming or imagining such things, especially shortly after the death of someone close to them. On that basis, there is no valid reason to simply presume the first explanation over the second for any unexplained experience.
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Define concrete?

There's loads of video evidence of the paranormal.
 
Elvira said:
That is what the Bible tells us...we are warned to stay far away from "anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead." Deuteronomy 18:10-12
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Magic?


Like.....turning a staff into a serpent? Waving arms and parting seas? Deflecting arrows?


How does one discern the difference between sorcery and divinity?
 
KevinKohler said:
Define concrete?

There's loads of video evidence of the paranormal.
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No, there is video of unexplained phenomena (much of which could be explained by entirely mundane means).

I’m thinking of a much more formal scientific approach, with a well-defined hypothesis for what a “spirit” actually is and therefore what measurable effects it would have to form the basis for experimentation to detect those specific effects. The continued failure of any proponent to even try to establish a formal hypothesis is the main blocker in this area.
 
HonestJoe said:
No, there is video of unexplained phenomena (much of which could be explained by entirely mundane means).

I’m thinking of a much more formal scientific approach, with a well-defined hypothesis for what a “spirit” actually is and therefore what measurable effects it would have to form the basis for experimentation to detect those specific effects. The continued failure of any proponent to even try to establish a formal hypothesis is the main blocker in this area.
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Wasn't there a study at one point about 47 grams, or something? Weight different at point of death. I don't know if it was ever studied further, or debunked.

My wife watches a bunch of ghost hunter shows. In a skeptic, myself. However, I've seen some stuff on some of those shows that defy explanation. Disembodied forms caught on security cameras, carts and tables moving caught by security cameras in hospitals, schools, etc.
 
Nevermind.

Some dude in mass did in like, 1900 or so, only did 6 bodies, weighted at time of death, and had 1 lose weight. 22 grams. I call....methane release.

Also, time of death in 1907 =/= time of death today.

Shoddy science.
 
KevinKohler said:
Magic?


Like.....turning a staff into a serpent? Waving arms and parting seas? Deflecting arrows?


How does one discern the difference between sorcery and divinity?
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The Bible itself makes the distinction...the Egyptian priests of Moses’ day opposed Moses before Pharaoh, trying to discredit Moses and his God Jehovah by the practice of magic...Exodus 7:11-13, 22; 8:7; 2 Timothy 3:8...
 
Elvira said:
The Bible itself makes the distinction...the Egyptian priests of Moses’ day opposed Moses before Pharaoh, trying to discredit Moses and his God Jehovah by the practice of magic...Exodus 7:11-13, 22; 8:7; 2 Timothy 3:8...
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And so...he countered with magic of his own?

But it was DIVINE magic...because he said it was, lol.
 
KevinKohler said:
Wasn't there a study at one point about 47 grams, or something? Weight different at point of death. I don't know if it was ever studied further, or debunked.
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Vague recollections of flawed experiments is worse than nothing. It just muddies the waters; 21 grams experiment - Wikipedia

KevinKohler said:
My wife watches a bunch of ghost hunter shows. In a skeptic, myself. However, I've seen some stuff on some of those shows that defy explanation. Disembodied forms caught on security cameras, carts and tables moving caught by security cameras in hospitals, schools, etc.
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Many of those shows have been proven fake, manufacturing and misrepresenting much of what they show (because that’s how they make money). It is not evidence of anything other than gullibility of many people.

So again, there is zero concrete evidence for the existence of any kind of “spirit” or any ability for any element of a person continuing after death to directly interact with us. :cool: You have two legitimate options; Develop a viable hypothesis and perform some experiments to test it or simply accept that fact.
 
KevinKohler said:
And so...he countered with magic of his own?

But it was DIVINE magic...because he said it was, lol.
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Jehovah created us...Jehovah sets the standards...we are living in a world that is the result of us setting our own standards...how do ya like it so far?:2razz:
 
KevinKohler said:
Wasn't there a study at one point about 47 grams, or something? Weight different at point of death. I don't know if it was ever studied further, or debunked.

My wife watches a bunch of ghost hunter shows. In a skeptic, myself. However, I've seen some stuff on some of those shows that defy explanation. Disembodied forms caught on security cameras, carts and tables moving caught by security cameras in hospitals, schools, etc.
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It was throughly debunked. Oh, when it comes to those shows, there is one thing you should know. Those shows lie.
 
Glowpun said:
An uncle lived with my parents and siblings.

He came down with cancer and during the last three weeks of his life he was placed in a facility for those folks whose life is expected to shortly end (don't recall what name is).

Three days after his passing when I was starting to wake up, I heard footsteps in the hallway that sounded like his footsteps. The family dog that was with me made a low growling sound when I heard (or thought I heard) his footsteps.

Am wondering, could it have been his spirit coming home? If so, where did the spirit go? Or was I just imaging all this?
But if so, what caused the dog to growl?
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Why would the dog growl at him?

There could be a more simpler explanation for that (those two basis you gave could be because of something else).

You were starting to wake up - could it be you're still half-asleep? That you imagined those footsteps as you were "starting to wake up?"

And the dog, growling. Like I said, why would the dog growl at him? It should be wagging its tail -
after all, I assume the dog is familiar with your uncle.

No, I wouldn't be thinking of ghosts with just those two.
 
Elvira said:
That is what the Bible tells us...we are warned to stay far away from "anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead." Deuteronomy 18:10-12
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The bible does not say that. It says not to practice such things. And it is specifically addressing a particular Jewish tribe who were going to be given land by god and how they should deal with those living there. This does not apply to Christians or most of humanity at all. It was a specific message for a specific Jewish tribe. You ignore the context you pulled this quote from and misrepresent what it really says.
 
devildavid said:
The bible does not say that. It says not to practice such things. And it is specifically addressing a particular Jewish tribe who were going to be given land by god and how they should deal with those living there. This does not apply to Christians or most of humanity at all. It was a specific message for a specific Jewish tribe. You ignore the context you pulled this quote from and misrepresent what it really says.
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Baloney...Matthew 8:29-34; Mark 5:7-13; Lu 8:28-33; Acts 16:16-19; Galatians 5:20; Revelation 9:21;18:23...
 
Elvira said:
Baloney...Matthew 8:29-34; Mark 5:7-13; Lu 8:28-33; Acts 16:16-19; Galatians 5:20; Revelation 9:21;18:23...
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Those have exactly nothing to do with Deuteronomy 18 in its entirety.
 
Elvira said:
Baloney...Matthew 8:29-34; Mark 5:7-13; Lu 8:28-33; Acts 16:16-19; Galatians 5:20; Revelation 9:21;18:23...
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What about them? Those are just listing of passages, and as such is meaningless in debate. Can you look at each one in context, and shows how it relates to what ever argument you are tryhing to make?
 
I think it's far far more likely that you were dreaming, than you were hearing the footsteps of a spirit.
 
Glowpun said:
An uncle lived with my parents and siblings.

He came down with cancer and during the last three weeks of his life he was placed in a facility for those folks whose life is expected to shortly end (don't recall what name is).

Three days after his passing when I was starting to wake up, I heard footsteps in the hallway that sounded like his footsteps. The family dog that was with me made a low growling sound when I heard (or thought I heard) his footsteps.

Am wondering, could it have been his spirit coming home? If so, where did the spirit go? Or was I just imaging all this?
But if so, what caused the dog to growl?
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Some will say the spirit goes back to God. But, in 1Peter 3:19, Christ went to preach to those in spirit prison who were wicked. So, some go to God and others go to hell and wait.
When my father passed away, my mother left the room. I went to her and she said she can't go back into their where he is. I said to her, he's not there anymore. She went back into the room with me and looked at my dad. She said, "that's not him. Where did he go?" I said he went to God meaning his spirit, who was him, went to God. Our bodies are only temples housing our spirits who are the essence of us. But, I do know he wasn't walking around in your house. He was either with God or in spirit prison. Could it have been an evil fallen angel with Lucifer that was fooling you? Yes.
 
Cougarbear said:
You weren't there.
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Neither was anyone else but you. Are we supposed to accept your account, and your interpretation of it, as "gospel"?
 
KevinKohler said:
He's Jesus 2.0



On a serious note, according to Catholics, there are no ghosts, only demons masquerading as such.
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Pretty much true with most if not all Christian religions. Lucifer's army that was cast out into the world to masquerade and deceive people to keep them from accepting Christ as their personal Savior.
 
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