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    Re: The Qur'an in chronological order.

    Another peculiarity in this series is verse 62, which not only appears out of context and a non sequitur, but is contrary to everything we have read so far about unbelievers. It says, "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve".

    If this includes, for example, Christians who believe Jesus to be the son of God, it directly contradicts all previous and future verses that claim "telling a lie concerning God" is a ticket to Hell. A clarification (some might say abrogation) of this verse appears later in 3:199, "And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in Allah, in the revelation [Qur'an] to you [Mohamed], and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to Allah: They will not sell the Signs of Allah for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and Allah is swift in account". This shows that only those who accept the Qur'an in addition to the bible have no need to fear, as opposed to the "People of the Book" in general as 2:62 could be understood to mean. This obviously excludes Jews and Christians who insist on remaining Jews and Christians.

    Again, it is worth noting that to this point no real theological change had been introduced by the Qur'an other than that Mohamed was chosen by God to lead the pagans of Mecca and the "People of the Book" to the path of righteousness. While In Mecca, at least he had pagan idol-worship to preach against, but in Yathrib his only 'legitimate' complaint was that the Jews refused to accept him as God's prophet, and therefore to consider themselves Muslims. All sins described to that point were committed by the Jews of old. No current transgressions by the citizens of Yathrib were delineated. There was no golden calf still being worshiped. There were no prophets being killed - not that there ever were. There was only rejection of Mohamed, and that would prove fatal.
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    Re: The Qur'an in chronological order.

    From verse 142 to the end of the Qur'an, God was talking to Muslims. Now, more than a dozen years after its inception, Islam was about to take on a distinct character. If converts had not already determined that Islam was going to be not just the religious part of their lives, but their whole lives, they were about to find out.

    God's first command to them, meant to differentiate them from Jews, was to face the Kaaba in Mecca while praying, "turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque" (142-150). Next, 151-153 remind them of Mohamed's role as God's prophet and teacher, and that regular prayer is expected of them.

    If the expression, "Wait. What?" were in vogue at the time, it probably would have been whispered amongst converts after the revelation of verses 154-156:

    154 - "Do not consider those who are slain for the cause of God to be dead. They are alive but you are unaware of them".
    155 - "Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere".
    156 - "Who say, when afflicted with calamity: "To Allah We belong, and to Him is our return".

    Those three verses, in my opinion, mark the point at which Islam veers towards becoming a warrior religion. Nothing said previously prepared Muslims for this. Seemingly out of nowhere, Islam became a religion for which deaths may occur for "the cause of God", and for which followers may be expected to endure loss and suffering. It could be argued that this was hinted at in 109 where Muslims were told to be patient with Jews and Christians "until God gives his command".

    On the other hand, it could also be said, since God had not yet explicitly ordained fighting, that He was talking about Muslims who may be killed while preaching or proselytizing (although that had never happened). If I did not already know what was coming, I would be willing to give Islam the benefit of the doubt at this point.
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    Re: The Qur'an in chronological order.

    Verses 159 and 161 introduce a new concept; that unbelievers may be cursed by "the people" as well as by God, and of course that means Muslim people. Verse 159 explicitly has Muslims joining with God to curse Jews and Christians:

    159 - "Those who hide the authoritative proofs and the guidance that We have revealed [the Qur'an], after it has been made clear for the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], will be condemned by God and those who have the right to condemn".
    161 - "Those who deny My existence and die with such attitude will be subject to the condemnation of God, the angels, and all people".

    In verses 163-171, the Qur'an evokes the Meccan surahs, perhaps because Mohamed is addressing actual converts for the first time and feels the need to start at the beginning. These passages, in my opinion, provide a perfect example of God's obsession with painting unbelievers as "Al Zalamun", which is variously translated as "evil doers", "oppressors", and "unjust":

    163 states the primary tenet of Islam, "Your Allah is One Allah; there is no Allah save Him".
    164 reiterates that God is responsible for all creation.
    165 begins the denigration of unbelievers, "And there are some among men who take for themselves objects of worship besides Allah...O if the evildoers might see, when they see the chastisement [Hell]".
    167 - "They will not be able to escape from hell fire".
    168-169 Explain that following the devil causes people to "speak against God".
    171 sums up God's hatred of unbelievers in no uncertain terms, "Preaching to unbelievers is like talking to someone who cannot hear anything except yells and shouts. They are deaf, dumb, and blind; they have no understanding".
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