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2 lies told by every Christian religion from Jehovah’s Witness to Roman Catholicism

Cougarbear said:
How come I haven't heard back from you? Too challenging? Here is my response to both questions, again:

Question 1: Cougarbear: Hi Babykat, Jesus did set up his Church 2,000 years ago. He gave Prophets, Apostles, Evangelists, Teachers, Priests and so on. He also established the 70 to minister throughout the world. He even established a Presidency with Peter, James and John and stating that revelation would go through Peter as Prophet, seer and revelator. All in the New Testament. Matt. 16:18; Luke 6:12 - 16; Luke 10:1; John 15:16; Acts 1:25; Acts 6:6; Acts 13:1; Acts 15:6; Eph 2:20; Eph 4:11 and of course Paul visited many of the Churches Jesus had established in other parts of the old world.

Question 2: Cougarbear: The Lord and his apostles taught what it takes to reach salvation, eternal life and exaltation. He gave these for the edification of the saints or members of His Church as he said in Eph 4:11 -12, " And he gave some, apostles, and some prophets, and some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. He gave other callings like bishops, elders and high priests as well. All for the ministry to help us know the path of salvation and exaltation. With that said, it is up to us to find the true teachers, priests, elders, bishops, apostles, 70's and prophets.
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No not to hard. I have been working 84 hours a week for the last couple of weeks.


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Babykat said:
I agree don’t take my word for it. Learn it for yourself. Form your own understanding and beliefs. Don’t take anyone’s word for the word of god.
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Trust me, I won't. I don't know what it is with people like you who would advise people to grope around in the darkness when you can turn on the light. If someone wants to learn to play a guitar or fix cars would you steer them away from a teacher? Sure, you can learn those things on your own and be half competent but why do that when you can go to a teacher and learn a lot more in less time AND THEN have enough information to "form your own beliefs".
 
Babykat said:
The path to salvation is through Jesus Christ.
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I'm glad that you cleared that. No offense intended.
There are those who believes that there are many paths to God (not necessarily thru Jesus).
 
Babykat said:
No not to hard. I have been working 84 hours a week for the last couple of weeks.


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Must be hard to both respond to the facts that your questions were very easy to answer and 84 hours a week is crazy. Not much of a life. Time to get a new job or opportunity.
 
it's just me said:
Trust me, I won't. I don't know what it is with people like you who would advise people to grope around in the darkness when you can turn on the light. If someone wants to learn to play a guitar or fix cars would you steer them away from a teacher? Sure, you can learn those things on your own and be half competent but why do that when you can go to a teacher and learn a lot more in less time AND THEN have enough information to "form your own beliefs".
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Excellent points. Nice response.
 
Cougarbear said:
Must be hard to both respond to the facts that your questions were very easy to answer and 84 hours a week is crazy. Not much of a life. Time to get a new job or opportunity.
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150k a year with only a 7th grade education. We don’t work 84 hours all the time just when the project comes to an end.


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tosca1 said:
I'm glad that you cleared that. No offense intended.
There are those who believes that there are many paths to God (not necessarily thru Jesus).
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The Bible is the guild and Jesus is the way. But it is an individual path. Let me purpose a question. If a mother had children that where starving and she did everything she could to feed them. But was unable to. See knows she can steal food to feed them. But stealing is a sin. What would god want her to do steal and feed her children or not steal and watch them starve to death.


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Babykat said:
The Bible is the guild and Jesus is the way. But it is an individual path. Let me purpose a question. If a mother had children that where starving and she did everything she could to feed them. But was unable to. See knows she can steal food to feed them. But stealing is a sin. What would god want her to do steal and feed her children or not steal and watch them starve to death.


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God would make a way for her and her children to eat. It usually comes from the kindness of a stranger or some other unexpected way.

Your path has not taught you very much.
 
AmNat said:
Congratulations! After every other Christian in history got it wrong, you’ve finally figured out What Jesus Really Meant (tm).

What will you do next?
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Actually it's been there all along. It's just that most Christians listen to men instead of their hearts.
 
Babykat said:
The Bible is the guild and Jesus is the way. But it is an individual path. Let me purpose a question. If a mother had children that where starving and she did everything she could to feed them. But was unable to. See knows she can steal food to feed them. But stealing is a sin. What would god want her to do steal and feed her children or not steal and watch them starve to death.


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Do what she can do (without knowingly committing a sin)......then, hand the problem to God,
and trust in Him! And.....humbly accept whatever may be the outcome of it.

I'm serious when I say, hand the problem over to God. Ask Him to handle it.
I've been doing that when faced with difficulties!
 
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it's just me said:
God would make a way for her and her children to eat. It usually comes from the kindness of a stranger or some other unexpected way.

Your path has not taught you very much.
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What about all the Christian children that die from starvation all around the world everyday. God didn’t make a way for them. Nor should he. God give the gift of children to the parents it’s their responsibility to take care of these children. I have heard this argument before. But only from people how have never had real hardship in their lives. Bad things happen to good people all the time. Sometimes what others perceive as wrong is the right path for them. Only god knows and we can only perceive his well ourselves. Through our own personal study and relationship with god. That’s where following what others believe his well is could cause a person to fall off the path to salvation.


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Babykat said:
What about all the Christian children that die from starvation all around the world everyday. God didn’t make a way for them. Nor should he. God give the gift of children to the parents it’s their responsibility to take care of these children. I have heard this argument before. But only from people how have never had real hardship in their lives. Bad things happen to good people all the time. Sometimes what others perceive as wrong is the right path for them. Only god knows and we can only perceive his well ourselves. Through our own personal study and relationship with god. That’s where following what others believe his well is could cause a person to fall off the path to salvation.


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God must have His own reasons for letting horrible things to happen to innocent people!
We don't know His mind. Keep your trust in Him!

It's not about what we perceive as wrong. It is about what GOD sees as wrong.
 
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Babykat said:
What about all the Christian children that die from starvation all around the world everyday. God didn’t make a way for them. Nor should he. God give the gift of children to the parents it’s their responsibility to take care of these children. I have heard this argument before. But only from people how have never had real hardship in their lives. Bad things happen to good people all the time. Sometimes what others perceive as wrong is the right path for them. Only god knows and we can only perceive his well ourselves. Through our own personal study and relationship with god. That’s where following what others believe his well is could cause a person to fall off the path to salvation.


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So God doesn't have to see to it that children are fed...

And the only people who would say otherwise have not known hardship?

So when God says in the Psalms that the righteous will not be forsaken and their children will not have to beg for bread that's crap, too, because you know better?
 
calamity said:
Actually it's been there all along. It's just that most Christians listen to men instead of their hearts.
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Yeah, they listen to some of the men on this forum.
 
calamity said:
Actually it's been there all along. It's just that most Christians listen to men instead of their hearts.
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The heart can get one into trouble...many a person has been deceived by listening to their heart...

"The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate..." Jeremiah 17:9
 
David recognized that reliance on God is the key...

"I was once young and now I am old,
But I have not seen anyone righteous abandoned,
Nor his children looking for bread." Psalm 37:25
 
Babykat said:
First is that 1. “they are the only true Christian religion ordained by god (Jehovah)”. Second is that 2. “by following them (E.I. Join their religion or follow their rules) it will be easier to find salvation”. I am a Christian myself. So I’m not arguing with any Christian beliefs besides these two.

1. First if god (Jehovah) wanted Jesus to set up a religion. Why didn’t he do it while he was here on earth. Second Albert Einstein said “ Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” I don’t believe that my god is insane. Look at this every time god gave power to a man to shepherd over his sheep they where corrupted. Take Solomon given wisdom by god( 1 kings 4:29 God gave Solomon wisdom and very great insight, and a breadth of understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore.) and he still turned his back on god. (1 kings 11: 9,10 The Lord became angry with Solomon because his heart had turned away from the Lord, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice. 10Although he had forbidden Solomon to follow other gods, Solomon did not keep the Lord’s command.)

2. Your path to salvation is your own. No one can lead you down it. (Matthew 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. d If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”)

This is my own opinion and I’m open to constructive debate. If you feel I’m wrong I would like to see your argument.


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Convenient how you pretend that the now largest religion on earth - Islam - and which claims the identical God - doesn't exist. From that, I guessing that you're a "progressive Democrat."

Your message, too, give another example of why every Christian should vote straight Republican in every election for every office as it their lives and that of their fellow Christians depend on it in the most literal sense.
 
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So God doesn't have to see to it that children are fed...

And the only people who would say otherwise have not known hardship?

So when God says in the Psalms that the righteous will not be forsaken and their children will not have to beg for bread that's crap, too, because you know better?
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Who is righteous except Jesus


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joko104 said:
Convenient how you pretend that the now largest religion on earth - Islam - and which claims the identical God - doesn't exist. From that, I guessing that you're a "progressive Democrat."

Your message, too, give another example of why every Christian should vote straight Republican in every election for every office as it their lives and that of their fellow Christians depend on it in the most literal sense.
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No I voted trump. But it funny how quick you went to throwing mud.


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joko104 said:
Convenient how you pretend that the now largest religion on earth - Islam - and which claims the identical God - doesn't exist. From that, I guessing that you're a "progressive Democrat."

Your message, too, give another example of why every Christian should vote straight Republican in every election for every office as it their lives and that of their fellow Christians depend on it in the most literal sense.
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So you really believe that the only way to salvation is through a religion.


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Babykat said:
Who is righteous except Jesus


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no one, especially not a guy from a fairy tale book who probably didn't exist - and even if he did, probably wouldn't recognize himself in the stories.

we're all only human - only really smart animal - and we're all imperfect.
 
Babykat said:
So you really believe that the only way to salvation is through a religion.


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I believe your messages are pure bigotry and hatred of over 70% of all Americans - and it is bigotry having NO relationship to religion whatsover by disregarding the most populous religion in the world but favored by the Democratic Party.

You'll have to struggle with "salvation" on your own. I do not share the Christian religion but even more I do not share the hatred and bigotry in your OP message - and that is all it is - "progressive" fascist bigotry and hate. To the contrary, American Christians are particularly among the most decent people I've even known in my life.

Why do you exempt Muslims from your bigoted and hate-mongering messages given they claim the identical God to Christians and Jews?
 
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Babykat said:
No I voted trump. But it funny how quick you went to throwing mud.
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I do not believe you. Link to any message you have posted where you state you support President Trump.

People pretending to be conservative and/or Republican thinking it a clever tactic is not rare. Prove me wrong. Of your over 300 messages link to even just one that is pro-Trump?

I will state with certainly you never have, not in even one prior message you posted on this forum.
 
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