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Catholic Church In Crisis

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Pope Benedict has spoken out for the first time in six years, since he retired. Pope Benedict Breaks 6-Year Silence To Comment On Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal : NPR

Excerpts from Pope Benedict's 6,000 word essay;

"It could be said," Benedict writes, "that in the 20 years from 1960 to 1980, the previously normative standards regarding sexuality collapsed entirely." Among the changes, in Benedict's view, was that pedophilia became seen as "allowed and appropriate," and pornography became widespread and accepted. The priesthood, meanwhile, fell into crisis.

"Catholic moral theology," Benedict writes, "suffered a collapse that rendered the Church defenseless against these changes in society. ... [T]here could no longer be anything that constituted an absolute good, any more than anything fundamentally evil; (there could be) only relative moral judgments. There no longer was the (absolute) good, but only the relatively better, contingent on the moment and on circumstances."

Though Benedict stops short of blaming gay priests for the epidemic of minor abuse, as some have, he claims that "homosexual cliques" were established "more or less openly" in Catholic seminaries, thus changing the seminary climate in such a way as to contribute to a breakdown in the preparation of priests for their ministry.
 
Pope Benedict has spoken out for the first time in six years, since he retired. Pope Benedict Breaks 6-Year Silence To Comment On Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal : NPR

Excerpts from Pope Benedict's 6,000 word essay;

"It could be said," Benedict writes, "that in the 20 years from 1960 to 1980, the previously normative standards regarding sexuality collapsed entirely." Among the changes, in Benedict's view, was that pedophilia became seen as "allowed and appropriate," and pornography became widespread and accepted. The priesthood, meanwhile, fell into crisis.

"Catholic moral theology," Benedict writes, "suffered a collapse that rendered the Church defenseless against these changes in society. ... [T]here could no longer be anything that constituted an absolute good, any more than anything fundamentally evil; (there could be) only relative moral judgments. There no longer was the (absolute) good, but only the relatively better, contingent on the moment and on circumstances."

Though Benedict stops short of blaming gay priests for the epidemic of minor abuse, as some have, he claims that "homosexual cliques" were established "more or less openly" in Catholic seminaries, thus changing the seminary climate in such a way as to contribute to a breakdown in the preparation of priests for their ministry.

Benedict is creepy as hell. Guess what? RC priests have been sexually abusing kids long before 1960. And hypocrites like him shielded the molesters and attacked the victims for years. Benedict can rot in hell.
 
Pope Benedict has spoken out for the first time in six years, since he retired. Pope Benedict Breaks 6-Year Silence To Comment On Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal : NPR

Excerpts from Pope Benedict's 6,000 word essay;

"It could be said," Benedict writes, "that in the 20 years from 1960 to 1980, the previously normative standards regarding sexuality collapsed entirely." Among the changes, in Benedict's view, was that pedophilia became seen as "allowed and appropriate," and pornography became widespread and accepted. The priesthood, meanwhile, fell into crisis.

"Catholic moral theology," Benedict writes, "suffered a collapse that rendered the Church defenseless against these changes in society. ... [T]here could no longer be anything that constituted an absolute good, any more than anything fundamentally evil; (there could be) only relative moral judgments. There no longer was the (absolute) good, but only the relatively better, contingent on the moment and on circumstances."

Though Benedict stops short of blaming gay priests for the epidemic of minor abuse, as some have, he claims that "homosexual cliques" were established "more or less openly" in Catholic seminaries, thus changing the seminary climate in such a way as to contribute to a breakdown in the preparation of priests for their ministry.

And if all of this homosexual clique stuff was known, why was nothing done? Joey Rats is just another hypocrite trying to blame anyone but the guilty parties.
 
If anyone really wants to feel the rage about pedophile priests and sexual molesters and if you have Netflix, there's a 7 episode documentary that will make you physically ill. It's gut-wrenching, infuriating, frustrating and wholly memorable.

The Keepers

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The Keepers is a seven-episode American documentary web series that explores the unsolved murder of nun Sister Cathy Cesnik, who taught English and drama at Baltimore's Archbishop Keough High School, and her former students' belief that there was a cover-up by authorities after Cesnik suspected that a priest at the school, A. Joseph Maskell, was guilty of sexual abuse of students.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] The series was released on Netflix on May 19, 2017 and was directed by Ryan White
 
If anyone really wants to feel the rage about pedophile priests and sexual molesters and if you have Netflix, there's a 7 episode documentary that will make you physically ill. It's gut-wrenching, infuriating, frustrating and wholly memorable.

The Keepers

250px-The_Keepers_%28Netflix_series%29.jpg


The Keepers is a seven-episode American documentary web series that explores the unsolved murder of nun Sister Cathy Cesnik, who taught English and drama at Baltimore's Archbishop Keough High School, and her former students' belief that there was a cover-up by authorities after Cesnik suspected that a priest at the school, A. Joseph Maskell, was guilty of sexual abuse of students.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] The series was released on Netflix on May 19, 2017 and was directed by Ryan White

Seen it, it is amazing.
 
Seen it, it is amazing.

It was during this period in the late 60's that my older sister, who was in nursing school, had to do six weeks of training in a Baltimore, Maryland Catholic institution for mentally ill people, but they were all priests and nuns. She brought home some truly hair-raising stories. At that time, I thought she was exaggerating but since then I've realized she wasn't.
 
I honestly don't know how anyone can still proudly claim to be a catholic.

The whole corporation needs to be dismantled.

It's the perfect gold standard of "absolute power corrupts absolutely".
 
I honestly don't know how anyone can still proudly claim to be a catholic.

The whole corporation needs to be dismantled.

It's the perfect gold standard of "absolute power corrupts absolutely".

But still there are some good people who remain Catholics. Just as people are able to believe anything they want, they can also disbelieve anything they wish to ignore.
 
I’m just going to say this. All religions are wrong and corrupted. It blows my mind how anyone could believe that Jesus with all his power couldn’t build a religion while he was living. If Jesus wanted us to follow a religion don’t you think he would have created himself. Instead of having imperfect men do after he died and returned to his father in heaven.


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I’m just going to say this. All religions are wrong and corrupted. It blows my mind how anyone could believe that Jesus with all his power couldn’t build a religion while he was living. If Jesus wanted us to follow a religion don’t you think he would have created himself. Instead of having imperfect men do after he died and returned to his father in heaven.


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He did...it's just that not everyone chooses to follow him because the Way is not an easy one...Jesus knew that...

"He now called the crowd to him with his disciples and said to them: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me." Mark 8:34
 
He did...it's just that not everyone chooses to follow him because the Way is not an easy one...Jesus knew that...

"He now called the crowd to him with his disciples and said to them: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me." Mark 8:34

Im not saying he didn’t create a faith. What I’m saying is he didn’t create religion. Religion being a organization with churches of temples. Faith being a set of beliefs that determine how a person lives. He could have if he wanted to. But the Roman Catholic Church wasn’t really founded until about 313 years after Jesus death. Although it did start to get organized as early as 100 years after his death.


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Im not saying he didn’t create a faith. What I’m saying is he didn’t create religion. Religion being a organization with churches of temples. Faith being a set of beliefs that determine how a person lives. He could have if he wanted to. But the Roman Catholic Church wasn’t really founded until about 313 years after Jesus death. Although it did start to get organized as early as 100 years after his death.


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I agree with that...1st century Christians had no temples, built no altars, used no crucifixes, and sponsored no garbed and betitled ecclesiastics...they did not celebrate state holidays, nor did they involve themselves with the political elements of their day and they refused all military service...they followed Jesus’ example as the Great Teacher and Faithful Witness of Jehovah...John 18:37; Revelation 1:5; 3:14...that was their main focus...

Jesus also warned his followers that apostates would enter and try to corrupt the congregations...and they did...
 
I honestly don't know how anyone can still proudly claim to be a catholic.

Seems to me that if you're proud about your faith, you're doing it wrong.
 
I agree with that...1st century Christians had no temples, built no altars, used no crucifixes, and sponsored no garbed and betitled ecclesiastics...they did not celebrate state holidays, nor did they involve themselves with the political elements of their day and they refused all military service...they followed Jesus’ example as the Great Teacher and Faithful Witness of Jehovah...John 18:37; Revelation 1:5; 3:14...that was their main focus...

Jesus also warned his followers that apostates would enter and try to corrupt the congregations...and they did...

That’s really my point. There is no true religion out there. They have all been corrupted. Now don’t get confused about what I’m saying. I believe in Jesus and Jehovah. I’m very faithful Christian. But I do not and will not follow a man or religion. I believe religions serve a purpose in that they spread the word of god. But if you blindly follow them it’s to your own doom. Because your faith isn’t your own if you don’t develop our own set of beliefs. Most would rather follow the ease path and just accept what they are taught as truth. It takes a lot of study and research to truly find your own way. That also doesn’t mean that those who follow a religion want find salvation. But if you don’t form your own beliefs. What you are taught could become a stumbling block. True faith is tested by fire. In my eyes the only way to test your beliefs is to accept the idea that you could be wrong and form your beliefs around your own understanding. This way what you believe is what you know to be true. Although I don’t agree with flat earthers I do understand the point. Unless you can prove the earth is round then believing it’s round is just you taking someone’s word for it. Where they fall short is if you understand physics you can prove the earth is round. So your not taking someone else’s word for it. That’s my approach to faith. I accept the idea that what I know could be wrong and I start from what I can prove. Then I built my faith from there up. That gives it a firm foundation. I know that’s a lot of work and I hope what I have said makes since.

P.S. from your statement I would guess you are or where a JW. If you are I would love to chat in pm with sometime.


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That’s really my point. There is no true religion out there. They have all been corrupted. Now don’t get confused about what I’m saying. I believe in Jesus and Jehovah. I’m very faithful Christian. But I do not and will not follow a man or religion. I believe religions serve a purpose in that they spread the word of god. But if you blindly follow them it’s to your own doom. Because your faith isn’t your own if you don’t develop our own set of beliefs. Most would rather follow the ease path and just accept what they are taught as truth. It takes a lot of study and research to truly find your own way. That also doesn’t mean that those who follow a religion want find salvation. But if you don’t form your own beliefs. What you are taught could become a stumbling block. True faith is tested by fire. In my eyes the only way to test your beliefs is to accept the idea that you could be wrong and form your beliefs around your own understanding. This way what you believe is what you know to be true. Although I don’t agree with flat earthers I do understand the point. Unless you can prove the earth is round then believing it’s round is just you taking someone’s word for it. Where they fall short is if you understand physics you can prove the earth is round. So your not taking someone else’s word for it. That’s my approach to faith. I accept the idea that what I know could be wrong and I start from what I can prove. Then I built my faith from there up. That gives it a firm foundation. I know that’s a lot of work and I hope what I have said makes since.

P.S. from your statement I would guess you are or where a JW. If you are I would love to chat in pm with sometime.


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I am...feel free to pm me anytime...you sound like a person who thinks for yourself instead of relying on standard beliefs of your parents/grandparents without questioning...I like that...
 
Pope Benedict has spoken out for the first time in six years, since he retired. Pope Benedict Breaks 6-Year Silence To Comment On Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal : NPR

Excerpts from Pope Benedict's 6,000 word essay;

"It could be said," Benedict writes, "that in the 20 years from 1960 to 1980, the previously normative standards regarding sexuality collapsed entirely." Among the changes, in Benedict's view, was that pedophilia became seen as "allowed and appropriate," and pornography became widespread and accepted. The priesthood, meanwhile, fell into crisis.

"Catholic moral theology," Benedict writes, "suffered a collapse that rendered the Church defenseless against these changes in society. ... [T]here could no longer be anything that constituted an absolute good, any more than anything fundamentally evil; (there could be) only relative moral judgments. There no longer was the (absolute) good, but only the relatively better, contingent on the moment and on circumstances."

Though Benedict stops short of blaming gay priests for the epidemic of minor abuse, as some have, he claims that "homosexual cliques" were established "more or less openly" in Catholic seminaries, thus changing the seminary climate in such a way as to contribute to a breakdown in the preparation of priests for their ministry.

This is not exactly a secret, it has been known for years.
 
Im not saying he didn’t create a faith. What I’m saying is he didn’t create religion. Religion being a organization with churches of temples. Faith being a set of beliefs that determine how a person lives. He could have if he wanted to. But the Roman Catholic Church wasn’t really founded until about 313 years after Jesus death. Although it did start to get organized as early as 100 years after his death.


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You really need to get your definitions straight.
 
But still there are some good people who remain Catholics. Just as people are able to believe anything they want, they can also disbelieve anything they wish to ignore.

People project their morals to their gods and religions, not the other way around. Religion is just a mirror, not a guide. The sense of ethics and morals comes first. Religion cannot guide a psychopath. The psychopath will have the religion justify what he wants to do anyway. He will call it “proper exegesis”.

Many Good Muslims are also frustrated with the violent fundamentalists in their midst as well. But who is interpreting Islam correctly? There is no “proper interpretation”. It’s just what do you want to project to your religion. It’s just a reflection of you and your morals.
 
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This is not exactly a secret, it has been known for years.

Of course it's been known for years, that's why the coverup that's been perpetuated by each Pope is one reason the church is so fractured today.

Let me just say something about this division in the church. I grew up in a very devout Catholic family. Around the age of 22, I was sexually molested by a priest that was drunk at the time, which really didn't excuse his behavior but I took that into consideration. I raised two children within the Catholic faith. They were baptized, received First Communion and Confirmation. The whole thing. We went to church as a family every Sunday, observed all the Holy Days and went to confession once a month. Things changed over time and not one of us is a church-goer any longer, haven't been a church-goer for many years.

I think that the sexual abuses within the priesthood that were covered up by Rome had something to do with it, but not all. I think we're all pretty smart people and knew that to have religiously guided faiths and to have religious beliefs are two separate things. Religion doesn't define our faith in Christ, but our own personal relationship with Christ defines our faith. My sons grew up to be men that are honest, hard working, accepting of others and kind. They don't steal, do drugs, lie to others, do anything illegal even if they thought they could get away with it. Faith motivates their lives, not their religion. They know it's wrong to steal, lie, cheat, or do harm to others. Yes, they believe in God and yes they believe in Jesus Christ. We are live by the 'golden rule' which is a religious faith based doctrine.

Am I fearful that I'll go the Hell because I haven't been inside a church to attend a formal Mass in decades? No, I really don't think I'll go to Hell, but if I'm able to, I'll hedge my bets and ask for a priest to say the Last Rites at my bedside before I die. LOL! If that's not possible, I'm not afraid to die without it.


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Of course it's been known for years, that's why the coverup that's been perpetuated by each Pope is one reason the church is so fractured today.

Let me just say something about this division in the church. I grew up in a very devout Catholic family. Around the age of 22, I was sexually molested by a priest that was drunk at the time, which really didn't excuse his behavior but I took that into consideration. I raised two children within the Catholic faith. They were baptized, received First Communion and Confirmation. The whole thing. We went to church as a family every Sunday, observed all the Holy Days and went to confession once a month. Things changed over time and not one of us is a church-goer any longer, haven't been a church-goer for many years.

I think that the sexual abuses within the priesthood that were covered up by Rome had something to do with it, but not all. I think we're all pretty smart people and knew that to have religiously guided faiths and to have religious beliefs are two separate things. Religion doesn't define our faith in Christ, but our own personal relationship with Christ defines our faith. My sons grew up to be men that are honest, hard working, accepting of others and kind. They don't steal, do drugs, lie to others, do anything illegal even if they thought they could get away with it. Faith motivates their lives, not their religion. They know it's wrong to steal, lie, cheat, or do harm to others. Yes, they believe in God and yes they believe in Jesus Christ. We are live by the 'golden rule' which is a religious faith based doctrine.

Am I fearful that I'll go the Hell because I haven't been inside a church to attend a formal Mass in decades? No, I really don't think I'll go to Hell, but if I'm able to, I'll hedge my bets and ask for a priest to say the Last Rites at my bedside before I die. LOL! If that's not possible, I'm not afraid to die without it.


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Any Priest will be happy to read last rites over you, I apologize on behalf of the Church for your troubles.
 
Today is Good Friday designated as the day that Yeshua Christ was crucified. It was part of G-ds plan from the beginning. Some of us understand why others not so much. I just want to shout out to other believers on this forum a blessed Holy weekend. He is our Passover Lamb.

When I taught Sunday School one helper would fill plastic eggs with things that told the story of Yeshua's death and resurrection and it was up to the children to put the hints found in the eggs in chronological order. I would instruct the children to follow Scripture for the time of day events happened leading up to His crucifixion for them to be aware. I had them make a clock on Palm Sunday for them to follow on Good Friday the events our Lord endured. On Palm Sunday one time I laid down my beautiful Winter coat on the floor upon the entrance into the classroom . The parents of the kids I was teaching got it, the choir director didn't . It was a good day in teaching. Not too long ago I ran into one of my favorite students. They were all my favorites as they kept asking the Sunday School director to keep graduating me with them to the next grade. :) I had the same bunch of kids for 4 years. But she married a pastor and because of a baby shower I ended up in the church she and her pastor husband were shepherding I ran into her again. She introduced me as the best Sunday School teacher a child could ever hope for. I was humbled and speechless.

To all my fellow believers "He is Risen" Hallelujah!
 
Pope Benedict has spoken out for the first time in six years, since he retired. Pope Benedict Breaks 6-Year Silence To Comment On Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal : NPR

Excerpts from Pope Benedict's 6,000 word essay;

"It could be said," Benedict writes, "that in the 20 years from 1960 to 1980, the previously normative standards regarding sexuality collapsed entirely." Among the changes, in Benedict's view, was that pedophilia became seen as "allowed and appropriate," and pornography became widespread and accepted. The priesthood, meanwhile, fell into crisis.

"Catholic moral theology," Benedict writes, "suffered a collapse that rendered the Church defenseless against these changes in society. ... [T]here could no longer be anything that constituted an absolute good, any more than anything fundamentally evil; (there could be) only relative moral judgments. There no longer was the (absolute) good, but only the relatively better, contingent on the moment and on circumstances."

Though Benedict stops short of blaming gay priests for the epidemic of minor abuse, as some have, he claims that "homosexual cliques" were established "more or less openly" in Catholic seminaries, thus changing the seminary climate in such a way as to contribute to a breakdown in the preparation of priests for their ministry.

The RC church policy of celibacy for priests has contributed to sexual sins among priests for over 150 years at least here in America alone, not to mention what damage was being done elsewhere. For some factual details recorded by an insider eye witness I recommend 50 Years in the Church of Rome written by Charles Chiniquey, a former priest who twice had hired Abraham Lincoln to defend him against litigation by the RC Church.
 
The RC church policy of celibacy for priests has contributed to sexual sins among priests for over 150 years at least here in America alone, not to mention what damage was being done elsewhere. For some factual details recorded by an insider eye witness I recommend 50 Years in the Church of Rome written by Charles Chiniquey, a former priest who twice had hired Abraham Lincoln to defend him against litigation by the RC Church.

I had to Google. Chiniquey claimed that the Vatican was behind the assassination of Lincoln. But here is what told me everything I ever needed to know:

To this day, some of Chiniquy's works are still promoted among Protestants and Sola scriptura believers. One of his most well-known modern day followers is Jack Chick, who created a comic-form adaptation of 50 Years In The Church of Rome, called "The Big Betrayal."[9] He relies [Chick is now deceased] strongly on Chiniquy's claims in his own anti-Catholic tracts. Charles Chiniquy - Wikipedia
 
I had to Google. Chiniquey claimed that the Vatican was behind the assassination of Lincoln. But here is what told me everything I ever needed to know:

To this day, some of Chiniquy's works are still promoted among Protestants and Sola scriptura believers. One of his most well-known modern day followers is Jack Chick, who created a comic-form adaptation of 50 Years In The Church of Rome, called "The Big Betrayal."[9] He relies [Chick is now deceased] strongly on Chiniquy's claims in his own anti-Catholic tracts. Charles Chiniquy - Wikipedia

I will point out, Jack Chick is no longer doing that.. he's passed onto his own reward.
 
I will point out, Jack Chick is no longer doing that.. he's passed onto his own reward.

I will point out that I noted in brackets that he's deceased.
 
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