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Eating Forbidden Fruit

enscausasui said:
Is Jehovah a self-inconsistent creator for both making Adam and Eve free and forbidding them to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ?
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Seems more like a parable than a news report.

Was there a film at 11:00?
 
enscausasui said:
No, I am engaged with friends, on another forum, concerning the question of whether or not law per se is determinative of human conduct; and, a question arose regarding the self-inconsistency of lawful demand; therefore, I posted a question in this sub-forum, in order to glean the thoughts of others regarding my question, which question is of authentic concern to me; and, I do most definitely jump at any possible chance to discuss my pet peeve, i. e., that law is ontologically nonsensical....
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Never minding the antiquated coordinating conjunction + semicolon construction, your entire post is one overly-long sentence that requires unnecessary effort to read. If you sincerely want to exchange ideas with others, I would be grateful if you would make a stronger effort to speak plainly. It's not that others aren't able to read what you've written; it's that what you've written discourages response. Just a friendly request and heads-up.
 
Elvira said:
I don't know why people can't get that...there is no eternal punishment...God is just and merciful, He does not punish anyone throughout all eternity for 70-80 years of leading a sinful life...they simply cease to exist...Psalm 37:1, 2, 9-11, 29
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The original comment referenced the expulsion from Eden. If banishment isn't eternal, when are we all due back in again?
 
Manc Skipper said:
The original comment referenced the expulsion from Eden. If banishment isn't eternal, when are we all due back in again?
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So you were there in the garden of Eden? Interesting...
 
Elvira said:
So you were there in the garden of Eden? Interesting...
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Such a weird response. Could you explain the knights-move in your thinking process that got you from there to here?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Such a weird response. Could you explain the knights-move in your thinking process that got you from there to here?
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What makes you think you have any right to the garden of Eden in the 1st place, if you weren't there in the beginning? Since when do you buy into the creation account?
 
enscausasui said:
Is Jehovah a self-inconsistent creator for both making Adam and Eve free and forbidding them to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ?
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well seems bit masochistic if the fruit eating really bothered him if it doesn't semes like he was just ****ing with adam and eve for some kind of strange gratification
 
vesper said:
Yes while all the "shall nots" listed are there to spare His people from the agony that results from poor choices. He is such a loving G-d.
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unless the agony was also gods creation
 
Manc Skipper said:
The original comment referenced the expulsion from Eden. If banishment isn't eternal, when are we all due back in again?
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I’m not sure. But I know we will get back there. Really what is a million years compared to eternity. Also consider this if our soul was supposed to live forever how long would it take to mature. Surely it would take longer then 70 to 100 years and we don’t fully judge and punish children. Wouldn’t god want our souls to be mature before he passes final judgment.


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Babykat said:
Who says it’s everlasting. It’s just a short time out period. It will come to an end.


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Well, to be fair..... I'll have to agree with his description of the punishment - that, it is everlasting.
The Bible says so!

What does "eternal" punishment means? What is, "FOREVER and EVER?"



Rev 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matthew 25:41
"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;


2 Thessalonians 1
8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed.


Matthew 25
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Daniel 12:2
"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.


Rev 14:11
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”


Those are but a few verses.
Prophets from the Old Testament to the New - the message are consistent! They all say "eternal!"
Eternal also means......never-ending!
Read them:

What Does the Bible Say About Eternal Punishment?



On the other hand.....where does it says in the Bible that punishment will only be for a "short time out period?"



The Bible gives terrifying imagery of punishment....... for a reason. His own reason!

If God says the punishment is EVERLASTING, and FOREVER AND EVER, and ETERNAL............
we better believe it!
 
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enscausasui said:
Is Jehovah a self-inconsistent creator for both making Adam and Eve free and forbidding them to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ?
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No. God is not inconsistent at all. It is the nature of ignorant sinners to think such stupidity is possible.
 
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