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    Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    In the bible there are 2 ways of dealing with someone who has harmed you
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    Exodus 21:23-25
    you are to take life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

    Better know as “eye for an eye” and

    Matthew 5:39,40
    But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

    So which way is the right way of dealing individuals who have harmed you or is a mixture of both judged on a case by case bases. Let’s hear your thoughts and explanation on this subject.


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    Re: Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    Quote Originally Posted by Babykat View Post
    In the bible there are 2 ways of dealing with someone who has harmed you
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    Exodus 21:23-25
    you are to take life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

    Better know as “eye for an eye” and

    Matthew 5:39,40
    But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

    So which way is the right way of dealing individuals who have harmed you or is a mixture of both judged on a case by case bases. Let’s hear your thoughts and explanation on this subject.


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    The Exodus quote is a limitation on the consequences you can impose on an offender. In other words, you can't give a bread thief the death penalty, you just make him pay for what he stole. The punishment has to fit the crime.

    The Matthew quote is a means of staying out of trouble, if nothing else. Turning the other cheek will short circuit the possibility of a brawl and hopefully keep you out of jail.

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    Re: Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    The Exodus quote is a limitation on the consequences you can impose on an offender. In other words, you can't give a bread thief the death penalty, you just make him pay for what he stole. The punishment has to fit the crime.

    The Matthew quote is a means of staying out of trouble, if nothing else. Turning the other cheek will short circuit the possibility of a brawl and hopefully keep you out of jail.
    The Mathew quote has meanings hidden within hidden meanings.

    The quote specifically calls out the slap on the right cheek. Slapping the right cheek implies getting slapped with the back of the right hand. A back hand slap is generally not as strong as the forehand.

    This reminds me of a friend who was on a tour in Viet Nam who got into a bar fight and punched a guy smack dab on the nose. The "victim" of the punch snorted out some blood and asked, "Is that all you brought?". My friend was suitably impressed and subsequently soundly beaten.

    As Mathew sets the scene, the "victim" of the slap is pretty much asking, "Is that all you brought?". This is not a refusal to retaliate; it is in itself a retaliation. My friend pretty much knew after the reaction to his punch that he was in severe trouble. The ensuing beating he took was just the confirmation of what he already knew.

    In the same way, "Going the extra mile" today means to do more than is asked.

    However, at the time, a Roman soldier was allowed to compel a local Jew to carry his kit one mile and no more. If the Jew went the extra mile, the compelling Roman was in big trouble.

    "Going the extra mile" was an act of premeditated aggression against the aggressor.

    The early Christians were pretty much badass revolutionaries recommending and teaching revolutionary response to authority.
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    Re: Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The Mathew quote has meanings hidden within hidden meanings.

    The quote specifically calls out the slap on the right cheek. Slapping the right cheek implies getting slapped with the back of the right hand. A back hand slap is generally not as strong as the forehand.

    This reminds me of a friend who was on a tour in Viet Nam who got into a bar fight and punched a guy smack dab on the nose. The "victim" of the punch snorted out some blood and asked, "Is that all you brought?". My friend was suitably impressed and subsequently soundly beaten.

    As Mathew sets the scene, the "victim" of the slap is pretty much asking, "Is that all you brought?". This is not a refusal to retaliate; it is in itself a retaliation. My friend pretty much knew after the reaction to his punch that he was in severe trouble. The ensuing beating he took was just the confirmation of what he already knew.

    In the same way, "Going the extra mile" today means to do more than is asked.

    However, at the time, a Roman soldier was allowed to compel a local Jew to carry his kit one mile and no more. If the Jew went the extra mile, the compelling Roman was in big trouble.

    "Going the extra mile" was an act of premeditated aggression against the aggressor.

    The early Christians were pretty much badass revolutionaries recommending and teaching revolutionary response to authority.
    I have to say that is a very unique take on that verse from Matthew. Thank you for sharing it.


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    Re: Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    first attempt the second method

    if that does not work, then with all might attempt the first method
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    Re: Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    Quote Originally Posted by Babykat View Post
    I have to say that is a very unique take on that verse from Matthew. Thank you for sharing it.


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    Not really, I've heard a version of that one before.

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    Re: Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The Mathew quote has meanings hidden within hidden meanings.

    The quote specifically calls out the slap on the right cheek. Slapping the right cheek implies getting slapped with the back of the right hand. A back hand slap is generally not as strong as the forehand.

    This reminds me of a friend who was on a tour in Viet Nam who got into a bar fight and punched a guy smack dab on the nose. The "victim" of the punch snorted out some blood and asked, "Is that all you brought?". My friend was suitably impressed and subsequently soundly beaten.

    As Mathew sets the scene, the "victim" of the slap is pretty much asking, "Is that all you brought?". This is not a refusal to retaliate; it is in itself a retaliation. My friend pretty much knew after the reaction to his punch that he was in severe trouble. The ensuing beating he took was just the confirmation of what he already knew.

    In the same way, "Going the extra mile" today means to do more than is asked.

    However, at the time, a Roman soldier was allowed to compel a local Jew to carry his kit one mile and no more. If the Jew went the extra mile, the compelling Roman was in big trouble.

    "Going the extra mile" was an act of premeditated aggression against the aggressor.

    The early Christians were pretty much badass revolutionaries recommending and teaching revolutionary response to authority.
    When it comes to the striking of the cheek, that is a bit more nuanced than that. STricking someone backhanded was striking an inferior. If you turn the cheek, you are basically challenging them to strike you as an equal, in which case, the first strike would be improper. If you are an inferior, the second strike would be improper

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    But we must not use the Bible (our fathers too often did) as a sort of Encyclopedia out of which texts (isolated from their context and not read without attention to the whole nature & purport of the books in which they occur) can be taken for use as weapons.”

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    Re: Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    When it comes to the striking of the cheek, that is a bit more nuanced than that. STricking someone backhanded was striking an inferior. If you turn the cheek, you are basically challenging them to strike you as an equal, in which case, the first strike would be improper. If you are an inferior, the second strike would be improper

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    More meanings within meanings. I love this crap!

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    Re: Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    Eye for an eye, life for a life is under Jehovah's perfect law... Christians are under the law of love...turn the other cheek...or in other words, do not provoke or become provoked...
    "But as for me, drawing near to God is good for me. I have made the Sovereign Lord Jehovah my refuge, To declare all your works." Psalm 73:28

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    Re: Eye for an eye or turn the other check

    Quote Originally Posted by Babykat View Post

    So which way is the right way of dealing individuals who have harmed you or is a mixture of both judged on a case by case bases.



    The better way is, of course, AN EYE FOR AN EYE.


    That is what our law system should be based on. If it were, we would need far fewer prisons.


    If some thug, for example, sucker punches you, the police should then let you sucker punch him.

    If some thug paints graffiti all over your home, the police should then let you paint graffiti all over his home.

    Bad human beings are cowards. They can dish it out, but they cannot take it.

    That is why Adolf Hitler killed himself. He knew that the Russians would have totally humiliated him if he had been caught alive.

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