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Archeological Discoveries

Seriously, what's so hard to understand:

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Seriously i have not said anything about his beliefs but i have pointed out that road kill has a better understanding of reasoning than he does.

What! goo reasoning is an attack on religion. Says something about your religious beliefs.
 
Where did i speak of analogies? Perhaps it is you ho needs to look up the meaning of words.

And no, you do not have corroborating evidence. You have what any fiction writer has, some facts to bulk up a fictional story. All you are doing is adding on your superstitious beliefs to some artifacts.


ANALOGY: a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification. ((Google)

(Merriam-Webster)
a : a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect
b : resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike






Soylent Green

So if we discover london then that must mean sherlock holmes actually existed.

How about if we discover chimneys then surely santa must exist.


.......as your comparison to these archeological discoveries and faith-based claims about them.




You don't even recognize analogies???

....and you expect us to take you seriously????







Seriously i have not said anything about his beliefs but i have pointed out that road kill has a better understanding of reasoning than he does.

Heck! What do you know of reasoning? You don't even know what an analogy is!



Soylent Green - should be ....... SILENT Green.






Seriously, this is not the place to try to argue about these archeological discoveries that a lot of believers cheer on.....this is a faith-based thread (that's why I created it here).



One thing we know - you are SKEPTIC about these archeological claims. There is a section for skeptics like you.


If you want to negate archeological discoveries - create it in the section for Beliefs and Skepticism.
 
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Seriously i have not said anything about his beliefs but i have pointed out that road kill has a better understanding of reasoning than he does.

What! goo reasoning is an attack on religion. Says something about your religious beliefs.

Soylent, nobody cares what you think in this sub forum. And given the rules we don't have to listen to it. I'm not saying you're right, I'm not saying you're wrong...just that you're in the wrong place. I think it says something about you that you can't show enough respect and restraint to back off. I can only guess that these rules are in place to prevent the kind of derailing going on right now. Open your own thread and call us all dumbasses in the forum above if this vexes you so badly.
 
A few years back, and I'm not digging up links to support the story, an archeological dig in or near Jerusalem found a bunch of 2k or so year old wine amphoras, that had been stored and never opened. Even tho not opened, the wine had evaporated. When scientists analyzed the sediment in the jars, they found the residue included traces of local plants that functioned as psychotropic hallucinatory inducing when ingested. No wonder all those guys found themselves in conversations with God.
 
A few years back, and I'm not digging up links to support the story, an archeological dig in or near Jerusalem found a bunch of 2k or so year old wine amphoras, that had been stored and never opened. Even tho not opened, the wine had evaporated. When scientists analyzed the sediment in the jars, they found the residue included traces of local plants that functioned as psychotropic hallucinatory inducing when ingested. No wonder all those guys found themselves in conversations with God.

Nah.
If that's the case.....we shouldn't be having too many atheists today. We got all sorts of recreational drugs.
 
Nah.
If that's the case.....we shouldn't be having too many atheists today. We got all sorts of recreational drugs.

Have you ever watched Orthodox Jews pray? They either dance or doven. Dovening is a swaying movement, from the waist up, back and forth. It starts slow, gains rapidity with continuance of the prayer rituals. The purpose of both is to get the endorphins flowing, same as for long distance runners, a drugged state of mind leading to ecstasy, a oneness with god. Dervishes, Balinese Chanting and Dancing for the Monkey Gods (Buddhism), various Christian sects and many other religious sects use physical activities for the same goal, ecstasy.

About ten years ago, students are Cornell surveyed the doctors at the Weill Cornell Hospital staff cafeteria if they identified with a religion. The response was 95% negative. The same doctors were surveyed privately, asked if they believe in God. 95% responded affirmatively. Various surveys show about 3.1% of people are atheists, about 5% agnostic (defined as show me and I'll believe). I think that some of those who claim to be atheists and agnostics confuse not following a religion with the labels of atheist and agnostic.

The most common reason people who don't follow religions give for believing in god, is that they don't want to believe life is an accident.

It seems we don't have that many atheist today. Just some who are very loud.
 
Have you ever watched Orthodox Jews pray? They either dance or doven. Dovening is a swaying movement, from the waist up, back and forth. It starts slow, gains rapidity with continuance of the prayer rituals. The purpose of both is to get the endorphins flowing, same as for long distance runners, a drugged state of mind leading to ecstasy, a oneness with god. Dervishes, Balinese Chanting and Dancing for the Monkey Gods (Buddhism), various Christian sects and many other religious sects use physical activities for the same goal, ecstasy.

About ten years ago, students are Cornell surveyed the doctors at the Weill Cornell Hospital staff cafeteria if they identified with a religion. The response was 95% negative. The same doctors were surveyed privately, asked if they believe in God. 95% responded affirmatively. Various surveys show about 3.1% of people are atheists, about 5% agnostic (defined as show me and I'll believe). I think that some of those who claim to be atheists and agnostics confuse not following a religion with the labels of atheist and agnostic.

The most common reason people who don't follow religions give for believing in god, is that they don't want to believe life is an accident.

It seems we don't have that many atheist today. Just some who are very loud.

Can you please create a separate thread to discuss that. Thanks.
 
Note: not archeology, but it's a very interesting discovery. The Bible had talked about brimstone in the right context thousands of years before it's been confirmed - The Creator has intimate knowledge of His Creation.




BRIMSTONE AT THE CORE OF EARTH




Biblical views of the center of the Earth as a hellish pit raging with fire and brimstone have some support from new research. Scientists have found that the vast majority of brimstone — reverently referred to in biblical times as "burning stone," but now known more commonly as sulfur — dwells deep in the Earth's core.

Scientists have generally understood that at the time of Earth's formation, heavy metals such as iron and nickel sunk to the planet's core, and light elements, like oxygen, silicon, aluminum, potassium, sodium, and calcium, mostly concentrated in the outer layers of the Earth, in the mantle and crust.

However, the mass of the Earth's solid inner core, which is too light to be composed solely of metal, has been an enduring inconsistency in our understanding of the planet's distribution of elements. To explain the core's lighter-than-expected weight, scientists assumed that the core had to contain some lighter elements, such as oxygen, carbon, silicon and sulfur.

"Scientists have suspected that there is sulphur in the core for some time, but this is the first time we have solid geochemical evidence to support the idea," Savage said.
https://www.livescience.com/51249-earth-core-contains-brimstone.html
 
Can you please create a separate thread to discuss that. Thanks.

That is rude. You made a statement, and received a response. Look to yourself.
 
That is rude. You made a statement, and received a response. Look to yourself.

No, it's not rude. It means I'm interested to further discuss about it.....and it was politely stated.


Please see the title of this thread.
 
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SODOM AND GOMORRAH








The Evidence

General
Geological studies have shown that the level of the Dead Sea was at a low point during the Early Bronze Age (Neev and Emery 1995: 62) and thus the shallow basin, or "plain" south of the Dead Sea, would have been dry land and probably cultivated. (5) The location of the Early Bronze Age sites along the eastern edge of the plain fits the Biblical description of the cities as being of the plain.




Paleobotany
The first description of the Cities of the Plain in the Bible is in the account of Lot separating from Abraham in Genesis 13:10–13. There, the plain is described as being "well watered" as far as Zoar (Gn 13:10).
Paleo-botanical studies have shown that there was a rich diversity of crops grown at Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira. Most common were barley, wheat, grapes, figs, lentils and flax. Less common were chickpeas, peas, broad beans, dates and olives (McCreery 1980:52). Several of these crops could only have been grown with the use of irrigation




Fortifications
When the two angels came to Sodom to warn Lot of the impending doom, they found him sitting in the city gate (Gn 19:1). This indicates that Sodom was fortified. Bab edh-Dhra, which means "gate of the arm," had imposing fortifications. The city wall, enclosing an area of 9–10 acres, was a massive 7 m (23 ft) wide and made of stones and mud bricks (Schaub 1993: 134). Evidence for settlement was found outside the walls as well.



Two Destructions
The Bible tells of not one, but two, traumatic events that occurred in the final days of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 14 describes an attack against the Cities of the Plain by a coalition of four Mesopotamian kings.

There is evidence at both Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira for two destructions. (6)





Evidence for Destruction at Bab edh-Dhra

Shortly thereafter, at the close of the Early Bronze III period, the fortified city at Bab edh-Dhra met a final fiery end.



Evidence for Destruction at Numeira
At Numeira, a better preserved site than Bab edh-Dhra, the evidence is even more dramatic





Means of the Destruction of the Cities of the Plain

The Biblical Description



Geological Investigations
After surveying the geology of the district, Clapp concluded that combustible materials from the earth destroyed the cities. He found bitumen and petroleum in the area. Natural gas and sulfur, which normally accompany bitumen and petroleum, are also present. These combustible materials could have been forced from the earth by subterranean pressure brought about by an earthquake resulting from the shifting of the bounding faults (Clapp 1936a: 906; 1936b: 40). Geologists who have studied the area in recent times agree with Clapp's reconstruction (Harris and Beardow 1995: 360; Neev and Emery 1995: 13–14; 33, 37). If lightning or surface fires ignited these combustibles as they came spewing forth from the ground, it would indeed result in a holocaust such as described in Genesis 19.

It is significant to note that both Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira lie at the edge of the plain, exactly on the eastern fault line!





Conclusion

When the archaeological, geographical and epigraphic evidence is reviewed in detail, it is clear that the infamous cities of Sodom and Gomorrah have now been found. What is more, this evidence demonstrates that the Bible provides an accurate eyewitness account of events that occurred southeast of the Dead Sea over 4,000 years ago.


https://www.biblearchaeology.org/po...Sin-Cities-of-Sodom-and-Gomorrah.aspx#Article



Note: the site gives an extremely long, detailed explanation.
 
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No, it's not rude. It means I'm interested to further discuss about it.....and it was politely stated.


Please see the title of this thread.

Rudeness is not defined by vulgarity.
 
Actually, it was a very polite ask, OFG. Pull the stick out. (<--that's rude, for your future reference)

One of the rudest people I ever met was also one of the most polite people I ever met. She made the combination into an art form. Kurt Vonnegut punched her in the face. Jackie O., the American vision of decorum, called her a Pig at the opening of the Picasso Exhibit at MoMa. Smokey Robinson was dragged away before he could kill her, and Mary Tyler Moore had to be physically restrained from attacking her at the 4 Seasons. She was the only patron ever banned for life from the 4 Seasons.
 
One of the rudest people I ever met was also one of the most polite people I ever met. She made the combination into an art form. Kurt Vonnegut punched her in the face. Jackie O., the American vision of decorum, called her a Pig at the opening of the Picasso Exhibit at MoMa. Smokey Robinson was dragged away before he could kill her, and Mary Tyler Moore had to be physically restrained from attacking her at the 4 Seasons. She was the only patron ever banned for life from the 4 Seasons.

Cool story...but let the lady have her thread. It's actually more difficult to be an asshole in this situation... ;)
 
Cool story...but let the lady have her thread. It's actually more difficult to be an asshole in this situation... ;)

She's been discussed here before, and not by me. All threads are subject to drift. Only if the drift becomes personalized or too off the mark does anyone comment negatively. The thread title is about archeological discoveries, not Christian only archeological discoveries.
 
She's been discussed here before, and not by me. All threads are subject to drift. Only if the drift becomes personalized or too off the mark does anyone comment negatively. The thread title is about archeological discoveries, not Christian only archeological discoveries.

Alright, buddy, fill your boots...clearly your need for attention outweighs my desire to save you from looking like an asshole.
 
Alright, buddy, fill your boots...clearly your need for attention outweighs my desire to save you from looking like an asshole.

I leave that upended view to you.
 
CYLINDER OF CYRUS




The Cyrus Cylinder is one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology. She was aroused from her 2,400-year sleep in the ruins of Babylon in 1879 by Hormuzd Rassam.


The Significance

Although broken and incomplete, there were some 36 lines of text still preserved on the Old Lady. She proved to be a foundation text commemorating Cyrus the Great’s capture of Babylon and his subsequent restoration of the city. The date of writing is sometime after the capture of Babylon in 539 BC and Cyrus’ death in ca. 531 BC. And what a story she had to tell!
The most important section of her text, from a biblical perspective, is lines 28–35:

At his {Marduk’s} exalted command, all kings who sit on thrones, from every quarter, from the Upper Sea {Mediterranean} to the Lower Sea {Persian Gulf}, those who inhabit [remote distric]ts (and) the kings of the land of Amurru {Syria-Palestine} who live in tents, all of them, brought their weighty tribute into Shuanna {Babylon} and kissed my feet. From [Shuanna] I sent back to their places to the city of Ashur and Susa, Akkad, the land of Eshnunna, the city of Zamban, the city of Meturnu, Der, as far as the border of the land of Guti {mountainous area to the north and east}—the sanctuaries across the river Tigris—whose shrines had earlier become dilapidated, the gods who lived therein, and made permanent sanctuaries for them. I collected together all of their peoples and returned them to their settlements, and the gods of the land of Sumer {southeast Mesopotamia} and Akkad {central Mesopotamia} which Nabonidus {Babylonian king defeated by Cyrus}—to the fury of the lord of the gods—had brought into Shuanna, at the command of Marduk, the great lord. I returned them unharmed to their cells, in the sanctuaries that make them happy. May all the gods that I returned to their sanctuaries, every day before Bel and Nabu, ask for a long life for me, and mention my good deeds (Finkel 2010).

When Cyrus took Babylon, there were many Jewish captives there from Nebuchadnezzar’s conquests of Judah in 605, 597 and 587 BC. According to Isaiah’s prophecy, Cyrus was to be God’s instrument to judge the Babylonians, free the Jews, and rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple:

[I am the Lord] who says of Cyrus, “He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, ‘Let it be rebuilt,’ and of the temple, ‘Let its foundations be laid.’…I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free” (Is 44:28; 45:13).

The Cyrus Cylinder establishes beyond doubt that it was Cyrus’ policy to return “them [exiles] to their settlements,” and make “permanent sanctuaries” for the gods of the exiled peoples. Moreover, he returned captured idols “unharmed to their cells, in the sanctuaries that make them happy.” In the case of the Jews, however, since they had no idols, the gold and silver articles taken from the Temple were returned. The specific proclamation pertaining to the Jews is documented in Ezra 6:3–5 (cf. I Chronicles 36:22–23 [= Ezra 1:1–3]):
https://www.biblearchaeology.org/po...ally-Famous-Grande-Dame-of-Ancient-Texts.aspx
 
THE LATRINE AT LACHISH



The Hebrew Bible has several references to King Hezekiah’s reforms and attempts to centralize worship in Jerusalem. 2 Chronicles 29–32 describes his efforts during the first year of his reign to cleanse and refurbish the Temple in Jerusalem, believing that his ancestors had not worshipped the God of Israel dutifully. 2 Kings 18:4 narrates that “he removed the high places (bamot), broke down the pillars (masseboth), and cut down the sacred pole (asherah).”

Part of this gate complex, the archaeological team found, was a large room that appears to have been a shrine. The room contained two four-horned altars, whose horns had been intentionally damaged, and several ceramic lamps, bowls and stands. Ganor and Kreimerman believe that the destroyed altars corroborate Biblical references to King Hezekiah’s reforms: his efforts to centralize worship in Jerusalem and abolish it elsewhere (see 2 Kings 18:4).

Most surprising of all was that in one corner of the room, the archaeologists discovered a seat carved of stone with a hole in the center—what Ganor and Kreimerman believe to be a toilet. This latrine, Ganor and Kreimerman say, was unquestionably a form of desecration of this shrine room—a practice described in the Hebrew Bible: “Then they demolished the pillar of Baal, and destroyed the temple of Baal, and made it a latrine to this day” (2 Kings 10:27).

“Laboratory tests we conducted in the spot where the stone toilet was placed suggest it was never used,” Ganor said in an IAA press release. “Hence, we can conclude that the placement of the toilet had been symbolic, after which the holy of holies was sealed until the site was destroyed.”

“This is the first time that an archaeological find confirms this phenomenon,” Ganor explained.
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org...bible/ancient-latrine-king-hezekiahs-reforms/
 
Lost Tomb of Jesus found by James Cameron (yeah, the Titanic guy):

 
lol...wow... They didn't fool around when desecrating, huh? *lmao* A toilet???

Hahaha yeah!

I suppose that's their ancient version of "mooning?" :mrgreen:
 
BOOK OF NEHEMIAH AMONG THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS




Anyone familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls can tell you that portions of nearly every book in the Hebrew Bible are represented in these ancient texts discovered in caves near the Dead Sea.

The only exceptions were the Book of Esther and the Book of Nehemiah;* scholars assumed the latter had been written on the same scroll as the Book of Ezra (as was common) but simply hadn’t survived—until now.
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/book-of-nehemiah-found-among-the-scrolls/
 
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