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Visbek said:
That's a political issue, not a denominational issue. And not every Catholic agrees with Pope Francis on political issues.

I have to add: In 1675, Protestants and Catholics were occasionally waging war on one another. We don't see that these days.
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Northern Ireland ring a bell
 
tosca1 said:
I'm a Baptist. Never heard anyone saying Catholics will go to hell.
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I;m Ex-Southern Baptist also.I wasn't taught that either.That is why I qualified the OP with 'some fundies)I first learned of it in a religious chat room.I think a lot of those who identify as Fundamentalist ( the ones that believe Catholics go to hell) are non-denominational..But they are out there.I've debated them many times on the topic.
 
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Logician Man said:
I;m Ex-Southern Baptist also.I wasn't taught that either.That is why I qualified the OP with 'some fundies)I first learned of it in a religious chat room.I think a lot of those who identify as Fundamentalist ( the ones that believe Catholics go to hell) are non-denominational..But they are out there.I've debated them many times on the topic.
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ESPECIALLY a fundamentalist, ought to know that no one knows who will go to hell! It's only God who can judge.

You must be debating with someone with extreme views as in a cult-like denomination. The kind who tend to make their own interpretation that contradicts the Scripture- so I can't really say that they're fundamentalists.

A fundamentalist is defined as someone who believes in the strict literal interpretation of the Scripture.


A fundamentalist cannot ignore these verses:


James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?


Matthew 7: 1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.


2 Cor 5: 10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.


Rom 14: 10-12
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.


 
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Ah...
It's the attack on the old fashioned idol worshipers who drinks wine as blood and a cookie as body. They tell their woes to a man inside a box.
They play a illegal gambling game called "B-I-N-G-O"
They have inside underground organizations such as the Knights of Columbus.
Who is Peter Claver ???
Sisters of Charity is a reggae group from Cleveland.
Yeah Catholics(including my girlfriend and her family) are going down to the furnace.
Now if they're liberal/Demos...well.
 
tosca1 said:
ESPECIALLY a fundamentalist, ought to know that no one knows who will go to hell! It's only God who can judge.

You must be debating with someone with extreme views as in a cult-like denomination. The kind who tend to make their own interpretation that contradicts the Scripture- so I can't really say that they're fundamentalists.

A fundamentalist is defined as someone who believes in the strict literal interpretation of the Scripture.


A fundamentalist cannot ignore these verses:


James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?


Matthew 7: 1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.


2 Cor 5: 10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.


Rom 14: 10-12
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.


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YEP.i think 'strict literal' are the operative words.Of course those you refer to as 'cults' would deny such an assessment,most likely stating something to the effect they are filled with the Holy Ghost per biblical scripture,no formal denomination required.At least that is the argument I've heard from many who identify as Fundamentalist.But there are Fundie Baptists also.They were quite prevalent in my lil rural Okie town I grew up in long ago.
 
Logician Man said:
YEP.i think 'strict literal' are the operative words.Of course those you refer to as 'cults' would deny such an assessment,most likely stating something to the effect they are filled with the Holy Ghost per biblical scripture,no formal denomination required.At least that is the argument I've heard from many who identify as Fundamentalist.But there are Fundie Baptists also.They were quite prevalent in my lil rural Okie town I grew up in long ago.
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No....you're missing my point.
There's nothing wrong with being a "fundie."
 In fact, we're supposed to be "fundies," - referring to the Scriptures as the only AUTHORITY!

Political correctness had demonized the term "fundamentalist."


Like, are we supposed to take the whole Scriptures LITERALLY? Of course not. We know that the Bible is full of figures of speech.

We are supposed to use our God-given critical thinking - in order to understand and discern!


Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.


Acts 17:11
Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.


2 Tim 3: 14-17
But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.





It's manipulating the Scriptures, and/or not doing a study in order to understand .......that's the problem with a lot of preachers whom Jesus had warned us about. The wolves in sheep's clothings
I think no denomination is immune from them, though - that's one method Satan would use to confuse us. That's why we're instructed to be vigilant.


Eph 6:10-18
The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.





Remember the "I never knew you" statement of Jesus?


Matthew 7:21-23
I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’



We can acknowledge what is wrong and a sin before God......but we shouldn't be condemning anyone to hell and damnation.
We aren't God.
 
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tosca1 said:
No....you're missing my point.
There's nothing wrong with being a fundie. In fact, we're supposed to be "fundies," - referring to the Scriptures as the only AUTHORITY.

Political correctness had demonized the term "fundamentalist."


Like, are we supposed to take the whole Scriptures LITERALLY? Of course not. We know that the Bible is full of figures of Speech.

We are supposed to use our God-given critical thinking - in order to understand and discern!


Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.


Acts 17:11
Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.


2 Tim 3: 14-17
But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.



It's manipulating the Scriptures, and/or not doing a study in order to understand .......that's the problem with a lot of preachers whom Jesus had warned us about. The wolves in sheep's clothings
I think no denomination is immune from them, though - that's one method Satan would use to confuse us. That's why we're instructed to be vigilant.


Eph 6:10-18
The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.





Remember the "I never knew you" statement of Jesus?


Matthew 7:21-23
I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’



We can acknowledge what is wrong and a sin before God......but we shouldn't be condemning anyone to hell and damnation.
We aren't God.
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I don't recall saying there was any thing wrong with being a fundie,but if I did,plz point out out where I did so.....p.s. I'm non-religious now,so I really don't pay much attn.when folks post holy text scriptures.I like to study different theologies and there histories to get a better understanding of the respective doctrines...not trying to be antagonistic,just FYI.....take care
 
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Logician Man said:
I don't recall saying there was any thing wrong with being a fundie,but if I did,plz point out out where I did so.....p.s. I'm non-religious now,so I really don't pay much attn.when folks post holy text scriptures...not trying to be antagonistic,just FYI.....take care
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I must've misunderstood what you meant. I was reacting to this part.

Originally Posted by Logician Man View Post

YEP.i think 'strict literal' are the operative words.

At least that is the argument I've heard from many who identify as Fundamentalist.But there are Fundie Baptists also.
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You've become a non-religious and the verses are irrelevant to you now. That's fine.


Just so to be clear.......

When I respond in religion section, it's not only to indulge in a debate.
My aim is mostly to reach out to those who are searching for answers - especially silent viewers - and also to my brothers and sisters who might be struggling with some confusion.

Queries and criticisms from non-religious posters serve as a platform not only to respond, but also to explain. There are others who probably think of the same questions, and are wondering.

Thus, you'll often see me giving verses. It's kinda like a bible study in a way. :)

There are many Christian apologists in forums and boards - doing it as their ministry. I consider myself one of them.
 
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- EITHER - is - OR - is not –

From - NEW OXFORD REVIEW [RC publication] March 1987, page 6

By- Peter Kreeft [well known Roman Catholic author] [------------------------]

“Chesterton, alas, was wrong. We no longer want a Church that moves the world.

We want a Church that moves with the world. But what we want is the opposite of what we need.”

Well known Roman Catholic author Peter Kreeft wrote [and I agree]:

“Either the [Roman Catholic] Church is the voice of Jesus Christ on earth,
supernaturally and infallibly guaranteed by Almighty God to reveal to us His word and His will, not man's, not 'society's'; or it is not.

If it is, then we must stop all this *****footing nonsense about rights to dissent and exceptionalisms.

Do we have a right to dissent against God? Do we want to be exceptions to the Will of God?

If the Church is not what she claims to be, then it is the most idolatrous, blasphemous, and arrogant thing in the world,
and it is the duty of every lover of Christ to hate and oppose her. [---------------------------------]

Peter Kreeft is Assoc. Professor of Philosophy at Boston College –

Note Prof. Kreeft's logic- Either the RC "church" IS or IS NOT what it claims to be.

Either all the popes ARE what they are claimed to be, or they are NOT.

Either every pope has been and is everything RC doctrine claims a pope is, or every pope has been a fraud.

Centuries ago, Elijah said to a crowd of fence sitters - "....... How long will you falter between two opinions ?
If Lord is God, follow Him; But if Baal, then follow him. But the people did not answer him a word." 1Kin.18:21
 
tosca1 said:
I must've misunderstood what you meant. I was reacting to this part.




You've become a non-religious and the verses are irrelevant to you now. That's fine.


Just so to be clear.......

When I respond in religion section, it's not only to indulge in a debate.
My aim is mostly to reach out to those who are searching for answers - especially silent viewers - and also to my brothers and sisters who might be struggling with some confusion.

Queries and criticisms from non-religious posters serve as a platform not only to respond, but also to explain.

Thus, you'll often see me giving verses. It's kinda like a bible study in a way. :)

There are many Christian apologists in forums and boards - doing it as their ministry. I consider myself one of them.
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and that's 100% fine with me.I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to believe as I do or attempt to convince them to renounce their given beliefs...You're 'walking your walk',as opposed to just 'talking the talk' of what your holy book directs you to do..I don't personally buy into it,but I do respect your efforts and civil discourse...have a good day
 
John Prewett said:
- EITHER - is - OR - is not –

From - NEW OXFORD REVIEW [RC publication] March 1987, page 6

By- Peter Kreeft [well known Roman Catholic author] [------------------------]

“Chesterton, alas, was wrong. We no longer want a Church that moves the world.

We want a Church that moves with the world. But what we want is the opposite of what we need.”

Well known Roman Catholic author Peter Kreeft wrote [and I agree]:

“Either the [Roman Catholic] Church is the voice of Jesus Christ on earth,
supernaturally and infallibly guaranteed by Almighty God to reveal to us His word and His will, not man's, not 'society's'; or it is not.

If it is, then we must stop all this *****footing nonsense about rights to dissent and exceptionalisms.

Do we have a right to dissent against God? Do we want to be exceptions to the Will of God?

If the Church is not what she claims to be, then it is the most idolatrous, blasphemous, and arrogant thing in the world,
and it is the duty of every lover of Christ to hate and oppose her. [---------------------------------]

Peter Kreeft is Assoc. Professor of Philosophy at Boston College –

Note Prof. Kreeft's logic- Either the RC "church" IS or IS NOT what it claims to be.

Either all the popes ARE what they are claimed to be, or they are NOT.

Either every pope has been and is everything RC doctrine claims a pope is, or every pope has been a fraud.

Centuries ago, Elijah said to a crowd of fence sitters - "....... How long will you falter between two opinions ?
If Lord is God, follow Him; But if Baal, then follow him. But the people did not answer him a word." 1Kin.18:21
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My response to Elijah's query would be 'I'll opt for a 3rd,4th,5th...... opinion before answering that question.
 
Logician Man said:
I know all about that.....but you're still dodging the main question posed in the original post. I'm an ex-Fundie Baptist from the south.They teach Catholic Christians will go to 'a fire and brimstone hellfire' for eternity.They don't preach the Catholic's soul goes to a 'grave' and rests peacefully for eternity.
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That explains a lot.
 
tosca1 said:
You said you'd become non-religious. I posted a new topic in Belief and Skepticism. If you can please respond to it.
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let me find it...may take a few as I am still trying to figure out what is posted where.
 
Logician Man said:
Agreed for the most part...but for the uber religious this is still a contentious topic between the Catholics and the Fundamentalists...especially in the south because 'souls are at stake') and that is the name of the game.
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Money is the name of the game.
 
Logician Man said:
let me find it...may take a few as I am still trying to figure out what is posted where.
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I can't find it...Can you tell me where the 'who quoted me' link is..I can find it there.
 
Logician Man said:
Why do some Fundamentalist Christians believe Catholics are going to hell?
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What is a fundamental Christian? A Christian from Turkey/Syria?

Acts 11:26 "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."


There is/was an Antioch in both Turkey and Syria.
 
crazyme said:
What is a fundamental Christian? A Christian from Turkey/Syria?

Acts 11:26 "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."


There is/was an Antioch in both Turkey and Syria.
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May I suggest you google //// Christian Fundamentalists////// and read it for yourself?
 
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