strangers and Christ

Mark 15:16-20

"And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band. 17And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, 18And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews! 19And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. 20And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him."


Mark 15:19 "And they struck his head with a reed, and spat him; and, bending the knees, knelt down to him."



Who did this? The Jews? The Governor? The Criminals? No... The Enlisted Roman Soldiers.

Why did they pay such 'hatred' to someone they did not even know? Jesus was not even known in their District to be a trouble maker. So why did these Roman Soldiers treat a 'strange' criminal in such brutal ways for no apparent reason other than He was going to be crucified?

A better way of looking at this verse :

they struck: 5180. tuptó ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
beat, smite, strike, wound.
A primary verb (in a strengthened form); to "thump", i.e. Cudgel or pummel (properly, with a stick or bastinado), but in any case by repeated blows; thus differing from paio and patasso, which denote a (usually single) blow with the hand or any instrument, or plesso with the fist (or a hammer), or rhapizo with the palm; as well as from tugchano, an accidental collision); by implication, to punish; figuratively, to offend (the conscience) -- beat, smite, strike, wound.


head: 2776. kephalé
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
head.
From the primary kapto (in the sense of seizing); the head (as the part most readily taken hold of), literally or figuratively -- head.


with a reed: 2563. kalamos ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
pen, reed.
Or uncertain affinity; a reed (the plant or its stem, or that of a similar plant); by implication, a pen -- pen, reed.


spat on: 1716. emptuó ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
spit.
From en and ptuo; to spit at or on -- spit (upon).


bending: 5087. tithémi ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
to place
A prolonged form of a primary theo (theh'-o) (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses) to place (in the widest application, literally and figuratively; properly, in a passive or horizontal posture, and thus different from histemi, which properly denotes an upright and active position, while keimai is properly reflexive and utterly prostrate) -- + advise, appoint, bow, commit, conceive, give, X kneel down, lay (aside, down, up), make, ordain, purpose, put, set (forth), settle, sink down.


the: 3588. ho, hé, to ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
the, this, that, one, he, she, it
Including the feminine he (hay), and the neuter to (to) in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom) -- the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.


knees: 1119. gonu ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
knee
Of uncertain affinity; the "knee" -- knee(X -l).


knelt down: 4352. proskuneó ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
worship.
From pros and a probable derivative of kuon (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore) -- worship.

All of this from complete strangers to a complete stranger... Roman Soldiers, paid and enlisted in the Roman Military.


Could it be because of their provocations they received when they looked upon His form, His whole person, from Head to Feet?

He was without blemish, without any defect, the Perfect 'Lamb'. His Body might have 'come' across as 'arrogant'. Because His Body had no defect. Not handsome, per se, but not as the rest of the males they were used to seeing. And because HE walked in the form HIS Father gave to Him, He could have been seen as 'arrogant' because of His own conceit. Like self-conceited, or so they might have thought.



But if this was the case, why would Isaiah 53:2 say that He was not desired after, even by the single females in Israel.

Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."

Within such places, there is great mocking. Mockings and jocularities of testosterone.. They get their 'kicks' this way.. by picking on other males... Sometimes being around them for too long makes one to believe that God, who is also male, can be like these...

When a person is around mockers for along enough time, even God begins to mock.. When a person is around belittlers for a long enough time, even God begins to belittle. When a person is around threateners for long enough time, even God begins to threaten. When a person is around those that poke fun for along enough time, even God begins to poke fun.

So the place becomes more and more like those persons and less and less like who God really IS.


I don't see how anyone would want to remain in such a place...


And then comes the mental reasons.


When a person is around those that torture for long enough, even God begins to torture.


And then comes the mental thoughts...



When a person is around liars for long enough, even God begins to lie.. The lies begin to sound real and truthful...


Persecution in the sense of Christian persecution is not what many think it to be. It is the same as saying God makes mistakes... or that God created Lucifer which was in Heaven before The Garden of Eden. Both these are false and wrong...

It is because of these 'lies' that the world participates in them. It is because the idea that Lucifer was a holy Angel before the Garden of Eden was on earth that many say they are 'satanists' and worship a 'fallen holy angel'.... Because of the lies that they have learned.

It is the same with 'persecution'. It is what has been taught about persecution that many fall victims to it.


First off.. God is Light and in HIM there is no darkness, which means that in HIM there is no Evil or Sin. HE cannot create any evil or sin. So therefore He could not have created an 'angel' which could turn 'evil'.

Secondly, because God is Perfect, His Word and Promises are just as Perfect. And when God has said that the Earth and all that dwell therein belong unto HIM, He isn't lying about it. The World and its fulness and all that dwell therein belong to Him.

So how are persons able to do and be as if all of the above Truths are false? Because of what they believe. Not because of what IS. And this is another strange metaphysical aspect which The Holy Bible does not go into too much depth about. The metaphysical aspect of 'belief' and its possibilities. Because if this metaphysical possibility were to be true, maybe many of those that have jumped off buildings 'thought' or 'believed', with such conviction, that they could 'fly'... however they could not..

But with certain other things, which could be nothing more than some very horrible 'signs and wonders' from God, it makes a person think of all the mockings, all the belittleings, all the threatenings, all the poking fun, all the lies and somehow even the 'signs and wonders' are very ill and cruel and 'dark and evil', which God has none of.


But it isn't in knowledge of a man that saves... it is God... knowledge aids in keeping a person away and apart from certain things.. But knowledge in it of itself cannot be the Savior..


Although there is no darkness in God, God still creates 'evil'...


Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."


create: 1254. bara' ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
choose, create creator, cut down, dispatch, do, make fat
A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes) -- choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).


evil: 7451. ra' ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displeasure, distress
From ra'a'; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral) -- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. Feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).

see HEBREW ra'a'



This still does not equate 'evil' as in a living being. The evil which is spoken of here is more similar to oppression, grief, strife, vexation, displeasure, etc....



1 Samuel 16:14 "But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him."


it's rather simple if you read the definition...

evil:

7451. ra'
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displeasure, distress
From ra'a'; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral) -- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. Feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).



getting a flat tire, which is distressful, could be considered 'evil' according to the Biblical definition.


A person doesn't need to have to believe in 'evil' to have misfortune happen to him or her.

One of your problems here is your using the KJV without cross referencing other translations. 99% of all KJV readers do not understand what they are reading. There was no set standard of English back then and no English Dictionary had yet been made. There are words and expressions used in the KJV that no longer carry the same meaning. Even the pronunciation of words back then are not what they seem today. Example, the word saith would not be pronounced Say-eth, but would be spoken as seth, like as in the name Seth. The KJV is a fine translation but most people today just simply cannot understand a lick of it. Good modern translations are the NKJV and MEV. The ESV is also find. Also, if you ever got your hands on the New Matthew's Bible, also called The October Testament, that is an excellent modification of William Tyndale's New Testament work.

Secondly, the Strong's Concordance is probably the best study tool to have by your side. Its reliability goes back before my time. However, in your case, I would recommend getting your hands on a couple of good Bible Commentaries. Now there is a world of Bible Commentaries out there and I have many of them. But here are two dependable commentaries you should check into.

1 - Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary On the Whole Bible.

This commentary is one volume but there is the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown 3 Volume Bible Commentary. Generally speaking you only need the one volume.

2 - Believer's Bible Commentary.

This is another real good solid commentary on the Bible.

I recommend these two commentaries over all others. Sure, there are other good commentaries out there. But unless you want to spend the money to get many of them, it would be better to have two very dependable commentaries that shoot straight and provide a scholarly explanation for passages.

I know a man who some years back began to behave in the most blasphemous manner you could imagine. To make a very long story short, his wickedness was so bad, God gave him up to a reprobate mind. God did not send demons into him, but simply left him to live in his reprobate mind. By doing this, the man became even more wicked and demon obsessed. Today he chants death to Israel and is very heavy into the occult. But he did this to himself by the way and manner in which he decided to go about blaspheming God. I was this man's best friend and I saw how his wickedness was excelling and transforming him into someone evil. It got to the point where I had no choice but to disown him. But it was not God Who did this to him but rather it was his own pride and envy which drove him to commit such blasphemies. I do believe he is past repentance. Very few people pride themselves on being evil like he does. He enjoys brainwashing and calls himself God. Even when he knows he's wrong he'll never change his views. He enjoys lies and has made lying his hobby. He's double-mindedness and subtle speech is something he also prides himself on. He is one of the reasons I have begun my study of exorcism because such evil is not humanly possible. Its like this man you've been friends with for so many years is not the same person and you can hear an evil spirit speaking through him. But my dealings with him would not be confined to him alone. I would be encountering much demonic activity from him onward which is the reason I am learning exorcism because I know what I saw in him and it was not him speaking but a demon speaking through him. But as I am a man to do things the right way, instead of winging things, I am going to properly be trained in exorcism so I can be sure at all times how to deal with these demons who are now presently possessing bodies all over the world. Its a tough study and one that has been delayed by my confirmation class.Though my point in this is to say that God does not send demons into someone, but rather He abandons them and leaves them to their wickedness which then demons are allowed to attack the person and even possess them.
I had a demon try to jump me in the cemetery one night when I was weak, emotionally and spiritually due to a bad break-up with a girl. The demon saw my weakness but did not realize I had come there to pray and was in prayer when it tried to attack and possess me. I heard the sounds of it coming behind me, as exorcist manuals describe; I felt his cold dark presence moving in on me. But God merely spoke to me and told me to leave and He took care of the demon. Had I not listened to the voice of God that demon would have done something very wrong to me. I do not know what this demon would have done, but God did not allow that to happen. But when a man deliberately ignores the voice of the Lord in defiance, as my friend did (among other unspeakables), a demon can have their way with them.

Ploughboy said:

I know a man who some years back began to behave in the most blasphemous manner you could imagine. To make a very long story short, his wickedness was so bad, God gave him up to a reprobate mind. God did not send demons into him, but simply left him to live in his reprobate mind. By doing this, the man became even more wicked and demon obsessed. Today he chants death to Israel and is very heavy into the occult. But he did this to himself by the way and manner in which he decided to go about blaspheming God. I was this man's best friend and I saw how his wickedness was excelling and transforming him into someone evil. It got to the point where I had no choice but to disown him. But it was not God Who did this to him but rather it was his own pride and envy which drove him to commit such blasphemies. I do believe he is past repentance. Very few people pride themselves on being evil like he does. He enjoys brainwashing and calls himself God. Even when he knows he's wrong he'll never change his views. He enjoys lies and has made lying his hobby. He's double-mindedness and subtle speech is something he also prides himself on. He is one of the reasons I have begun my study of exorcism because such evil is not humanly possible. Its like this man you've been friends with for so many years is not the same person and you can hear an evil spirit speaking through him. But my dealings with him would not be confined to him alone. I would be encountering much demonic activity from him onward which is the reason I am learning exorcism because I know what I saw in him and it was not him speaking but a demon speaking through him. But as I am a man to do things the right way, instead of winging things, I am going to properly be trained in exorcism so I can be sure at all times how to deal with these demons who are now presently possessing bodies all over the world. Its a tough study and one that has been delayed by my confirmation class.Though my point in this is to say that God does not send demons into someone, but rather He abandons them and leaves them to their wickedness which then demons are allowed to attack the person and even possess them.
I had a demon try to jump me in the cemetery one night when I was weak, emotionally and spiritually due to a bad break-up with a girl. The demon saw my weakness but did not realize I had come there to pray and was in prayer when it tried to attack and possess me. I heard the sounds of it coming behind me, as exorcist manuals describe; I felt his cold dark presence moving in on me. But God merely spoke to me and told me to leave and He took care of the demon. Had I not listened to the voice of God that demon would have done something very wrong to me. I do not know what this demon would have done, but God did not allow that to happen. But when a man deliberately ignores the voice of the Lord in defiance, as my friend did (among other unspeakables), a demon can have their way with them.

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You say that you are an Anglican (layman, I assume), that you haven't been confirmed yet, and that you want to be an exorcist? A little free advice: don't.

crazyme said:

Mark 15:16-20

"And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band. 17And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, 18And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews! 19And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. 20And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him."


Mark 15:19 "And they struck his head with a reed, and spat him; and, bending the knees, knelt down to him."



Who did this? The Jews? The Governor? The Criminals? No... The Enlisted Roman Soldiers.

Why did they pay such 'hatred' to someone they did not even know? Jesus was not even known in their District to be a trouble maker. So why did these Roman Soldiers treat a 'strange' criminal in such brutal ways for no apparent reason other than He was going to be crucified?

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Why? Because of God's plan.

crazyme said:

Mark 15:16-20

"And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band. 17And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, 18And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews! 19And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. 20And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him."


Mark 15:19 "And they struck his head with a reed, and spat him; and, bending the knees, knelt down to him."



Who did this? The Jews? The Governor? The Criminals? No... The Enlisted Roman Soldiers.

Why did they pay such 'hatred' to someone they did not even know? Jesus was not even known in their District to be a trouble maker. So why did these Roman Soldiers treat a 'strange' criminal in such brutal ways for no apparent reason other than He was going to be crucified?

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You have answered your own question.

crazyme said:

Mark 15:16-20

"And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band. 17And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, 18And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews! 19And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. 20And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him."


Mark 15:19 "And they struck his head with a reed, and spat him; and, bending the knees, knelt down to him."



Who did this? The Jews? The Governor? The Criminals? No... The Enlisted Roman Soldiers.

Why did they pay such 'hatred' to someone they did not even know? Jesus was not even known in their District to be a trouble maker. So why did these Roman Soldiers treat a 'strange' criminal in such brutal ways for no apparent reason other than He was going to be crucified?

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Maybe it was their customary way they treated all the 'criminals'.