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    GOD HIMSELF will be with them[W;105]

    I've been quoting verses this past couple of days – verses that show Jesus is God Himself, incarnated, to dwell among the people and to save mankind. I thought I'd exhausted everything...... until this morning.


    I'm on the Book of Revelation these days, and I just finished reading Chapter 21.
    Interestingly...... relevant verses seem to jump out when reading the Scriptures - even when you're not really looking for them.*



    This thread will be for Scriptural verses (with explanations if needed, including cross-references with other verses), that clearly show Jesus and God are One and the Same.

    Let me start with the verses from where the title of the thread was taken:



    Rev 21

    3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.





    5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me,
    “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

    6 And He said to me, “It is done![c] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,[d] and I will be his God and he shall be My son.





    22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.




    Who do we know as the Alpha and the Omega? Revelation 22 clearly say it is Jesus.

    God HIMSELF will be with them and be their God. Jesus (the Alpha and Omega) says that He will be the God of saved people who'll be in this new kingdom. Therefore, Jesus is God! That's so clearly stated!




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    Revelation 22

    I am Alpha and Omega,
    the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

    16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.






    There is apparent importance to believe that Jesus is God incarnate....otherwise, why is it imperative to be written and declared?


    Rev 21
    And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

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    Isaiah 45

    The Lord, the Only Savior

    18 For thus says the Lord,
    Who created the heavens,
    Who is God,

    Who formed the earth and made it,
    Who has established it,
    Who did not create it in vain,
    Who formed it to be inhabited:
    “I am the Lord, and there is no other.

    21 Tell and bring forth your case;
    Yes, let them take counsel together.
    Who has declared this from ancient time?
    Who has told it from that time?
    Have not I, the Lord?
    And there is no other God besides Me,
    A just God and a Savior;
    There is none besides Me.


    22 “Look to Me, and be saved,
    All you ends of the earth!
    For I am God, and there is no other.






    Jesus is also Lord, as declared in these verses:


    Luke 2
    11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.


    Romans 10
    9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;



    1 Cor 8
    6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.



    If there is only one Lord (Jesus)......how come God is also Lord?

    If there is no other Lord beside God.....why does the Scripture say Jesus is also Lord?

    If Jesus is the Saviour - why does God says He is?
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    Still on Isaiah 45


    22 “Look to Me, and be saved,
    All you ends of the earth!
    For I am God, and there is no other.



    .....which very much is the very same thing that Jesus said of Himself.


    John 5
    39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

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    Isaiah 44
    There Is No Other God

    6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
    And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
    ‘I am the First and I am the Last;
    Besides Me there is no God.




    The First and the Last (the Alpha and the Omega), is God.

    Compare with Revelation:



    Revelation 1:17-18

    17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,[a] “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.


    Revelation 2:8
    The Persecuted Church

    8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,

    ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:



    The First and the Last, is consistently attributed to Jesus.

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    Isaiah 9

    6 For unto us a Child is born,
    Unto us a Son is given;
    And the government will be upon His shoulder.
    And His name will be called
    Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.



    Why is "Father" and "Mighty God" among His given names?
    There is only one Father. Only one God.
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    Isaiah 44
    Judah Will Be Restored

    24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
    And He who formed you from the womb:
    “I am the Lord, who makes all things,
    Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
    Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;




    Compare with:


    John 1
    3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.




    Colossians 1
    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
    16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.




    Things that are attributed to God, are attributed to Jesus.
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    Colossians 1
    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.




    John 4
    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.




    God is a spirit. God, therefore, is invisible.
    Being an image of a spirit means, God can be seen because of Jesus - God incarnated, physically, as man.

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    John 1:1-3

    The Eternal Word

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

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    John 8

    19 Then they asked him, “Where is your father?”

    “You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”



    Dispute over who Jesus is

    24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

    25 “Who are you?” they asked.

    “Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied. 26 “I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”

    27 They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”



    Jesus' Claims About Himself

    50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”



    54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word.





    God wants glorification. He's the only God, and He wants to be glorified.
    Therefore......why would Jesus claim that God glorifies Him?
    Wouldn't that contradict this verse?


    Isaiah 42
    8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.



    Not only does He identify Himself as The Lord (the same title given to Jesus)........but why would God give glory to the Son, if they're not One and the Same?


    God says He isn't going to give glory to another.....why is Jesus claiming otherwise?



    If you believe Jesus is not God....

    ......then, you're saying the Bible has contradictions......Jesus was just mouthing off nonsense......

    .........and therefore, the Bible cannot be trusted.
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    John 10

    30 I and My Father are one.”


    Renewed Efforts To stone Jesus

    31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
    32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”

    33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”




    The Jews understood what He's claiming Himself to be.
    He wasn't claiming to be from God, or, like God.

    He was claiming, He is GOD!

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