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Win 10 - problems updating

JANFU

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Win 10 - problems updating

Try to update- restart- outside of active hrs. Check, update fails, check the update and see in MS Catalogue which one to download and update- each time fails
From what I gather this has something to do with the updates from Intel / AMD on the chip problems/defects.
Win 10 version is 1709 - x64
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JANFU said:
Win 10 - problems updating

Try to update- restart- outside of active hrs. Check, update fails, check the update and see in MS Catalogue which one to download and update- each time fails
From what I gather this has something to do with the updates from Intel / AMD on the chip problems/defects.
Win 10 version is 1709 - x64
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Desk top is older- no issues on updates
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I am a little surprised that we here at DP have not been talking about how the chip designers blew it, and how the remedy will cost performance, sometimes severely....this is no small failure.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am a little surprised that we here at DP have not been talking about how the chip designers blew it, and how the remedy will cost performance, sometimes severely....this is no small failure.
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Failure is massive- costs will IMHO run into the 10's of billions.
Many companies wait to upgrade their computers - add in an estimated 10-30 % loss in power - what systems are affected. it is a real mess.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am a little surprised that we here at DP have not been talking about how the chip designers blew it, and how the remedy will cost performance, sometimes severely....this is no small failure.
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Because it seems pointless to talk about something so technically specific with some posters who are so technically ignorant.

Just the fact that you think that chip designers "blew it" by having a flaw that took 23 years to exploit and still is pretty much unknown outside of the people of found the flaw and those who fixed it, just shows why its a waste of breath to even discuss it.
 
It's not just me? Woohoo!

Now I don't need to care; cpu performance/power means nothing to me. For those adversely affected, I say "haha".
 
I have this same problem on my i5 system.
 
Crovax said:
Because it seems pointless to talk about something so technically specific with some posters who are so technically ignorant.

Just the fact that you think that chip designers "blew it" by having a flaw that took 23 years to exploit and still is pretty much unknown outside of the people of found the flaw and those who fixed it, just shows why its a waste of breath to even discuss it.
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Oh save your HOITY TOITY BS for someone who might buy it......they blew it as is proven buy how much this will cost them in liability, in good will, and in business.
 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056892/windows-10-update-kb4056892

Symptom Workaround
Windows Update History reports that KB4054517 failed to install because of Error 0x80070643.

Even though the update was successfully installed, Windows Update incorrectly reports that the update failed to install. To verify the installation, select Check for Updates to confirm that there are no additional updates available.

You can also type About your PC in the Search box on your taskbar to confirm that your device is using the expected OS build.

Microsoft is working on a resolution and will provide an update in an upcoming release.
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JANFU said:
Failure is massive- costs will IMHO run into the 10's of billions.
Many companies wait to upgrade their computers - add in an estimated 10-30 % loss in power - what systems are affected. it is a real mess.
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The tests at our company show only a 1% to 2% reduction in CPU processing, when benchmarked with a synthetic load.

I don't think its going to be as bad a processing hit as some are making it out to be.

Of all the ways to gain access to someone's confidential and proprietary data, this exploits ranks way down at the bottom of the list in terms of effectiveness. It is far easier to do some social engineering and have a user install a trojan or a keylogger or other exploitive malware to report back to you how to gain access to the data. That being said, most corporate laptops and desktops are locked down that users can't install anything, including malware. Further, segregation of duties and the principal of least access necessary prevents any single user of having all the keys to all the doors (security measures), also limiting the data that an exploiter can access.
 
I've said this time and time again- it's what happens when users give too much trust to Microsoft. It's a good thing I stayed with Win8 and cut off all updates.

All hell will break loose once hackers crack the Windows servers, its just a matter of time.
 
PoS said:
I've said this time and time again- it's what happens when users give too much trust to Microsoft. It's a good thing I stayed with Win8 and cut off all updates.

All hell will break loose once hackers crack the Windows servers, its just a matter of time.
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So you blame Microsoft for a flaw in the chip design going back decades.... yea.... that is logical, since Microsoft makes chips..
 
PeteEU said:
So you blame Microsoft for a flaw in the chip design going back decades.... yea.... that is logical, since Microsoft makes chips..
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You apparently didnt read what I wrote, nor did you read the OP. Try again, Mr. Gates.
 
PoS said:
You apparently didnt read what I wrote, nor did you read the OP. Try again, Mr. Gates.
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The OP is about an update by Microsoft to fix an Intel/AMD/ARM chip problem. Some systems have been negatively effected, especially AMD chipset systems and it is usually in conjunction with 3rd party anti-virus. How on earth can it be Microsofts fault that A) Intel/AMD/ARM have carried over a chip defect for decades and B) a 3rd party program that the user willingly or stupidly enough installed is causing a patch to cause problems? I have 3 systems with Windows 10 and none have had any problems. I have as of yet, not received one complaint from clients about any problems with the update.
 
PeteEU said:
The OP is about an update by Microsoft to fix an Intel/AMD/ARM chip problem. Some systems have been negatively effected, especially AMD chipset systems and it is usually in conjunction with 3rd party anti-virus. How on earth can it be Microsofts fault that A) Intel/AMD/ARM have carried over a chip defect for decades and B) a 3rd party program that the user willingly or stupidly enough installed is causing a patch to cause problems? I have 3 systems with Windows 10 and none have had any problems. I have as of yet, not received one complaint from clients about any problems with the update.
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Of course you never experienced problems with Windows update or any other MS product since you no doubt work for them, but the OP did as did many others, so your anecdotal "experience" is nothing more than a smokescreen.
 
PoS said:
Of course you never experienced problems with Windows update or any other MS product since you no doubt work for them, but the OP did as did many others, so your anecdotal "experience" is nothing more than a smokescreen.
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Stop putting words in my mouth. I said I have not experienced problems with this update, and it is clear that the update problems was relative to specific computer chip makes and anti-virus software.

There are always possible update problems for all OS. Linux has them, Apple has them.. and of course Microsoft has them.

I also dont work for Microsoft, but I am so tired of the false negative **** Microsoft gets..... most of it is uncalled for and outright false.
 
PeteEU said:
Stop putting words in my mouth. I said I have not experienced problems with this update, and it is clear that the update problems was relative to specific computer chip makes and anti-virus software.

There are always possible update problems for all OS. Linux has them, Apple has them.. and of course Microsoft has them.

I also dont work for Microsoft, but I am so tired of the false negative **** Microsoft gets..... most of it is uncalled for and outright false.
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False? The OP just had a problem with their updates. Stop trying to downplay this with your usual MS propaganda.
 
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