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Win 10 installation issue

PeteEU said:
~ And companies dont need to rewrite their drivers for Win 10. ~Normally I had to go to the manufacture website... find the printer, pray they upgraded the drivers or they are compatible.. and so on. Not anymore for most printers.
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Yet Which and the OP have lost their printer connection to OSX. I have lost finger touchscreen capability on my B121 tablet.


For example, installing a Cannon laser printer that is 10+ years old works fine. They stopped officially making drivers for that with Windows 7, but included in Windows 10 is a standard driver that works with almost all older Cannon laser printers. Or HP. Installed a 6 year old multi-printer thingy 2 days ago.. plug in, wait 2 minutes and it worked. Windows 10 even downloaded the Windows 10 HP printing software for me so I could use all the advanced features like scanning! :)

PeteEU said:
~ Also when we are talking ~ Apple
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No, focus on Windows 10.
 
Don't know what Windows 10 was doing to my computer yesterday, but it took over an hour to install and update whatever it was doing, and it picked a horrible time to do it.
 
backpacker said:
Don't know what Windows 10 was doing to my computer yesterday, but it took over an hour to install and update whatever it was doing, and it picked a horrible time to do it.
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An hour to install an update? Sounds like you need a better computer.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
An hour to install an update? Sounds like you need a better computer.
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Since it is only a couple months old and came with Windows 10 pre-installed, I doubt that is the issue.
 
backpacker said:
Don't know what Windows 10 was doing to my computer yesterday, but it took over an hour to install and update whatever it was doing, and it picked a horrible time to do it.
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You might have been dealing with the latest update. It's been reported that it hangs up and stops downloading for some people. It happened to me, as well. No big problem, though. I just kept on doing my thing and the next day I got a message that the computer needed to restart to complete the upgrade. I did that and all is well.

The thing is, you don't usually have to stop using your computer while it downloads and installs an upgrade, but you'll commonly need to restart your computer to complete the install.
 
backpacker said:
Since it is only a couple months old and came with Windows 10 pre-installed, I doubt that is the issue.
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It came with software pre-installed? It sounds like you should have built your own. Unless it's a bargain box, but in that case: it sounds like you need a better computer. :2razz:
 
Praxas said:
I hope someone knowledgeable could possible help me with this issue.

I installed Windows 10 on my computer when it was first available for download and it was upgraded from Windows 7. Never had an issue with it until I tried installing a dual boot system. Needless to say it didn't go good and I had to reformat the drive. So I reinstalled Windows 7 from a disk I had which had a legitimate product key, did the updates that were available and then tried upgrading to Windows 10 from an ISO I got online from Microsoft. However, when I try to install Windows 10, it gives an error which Microsoft said was a "microcode issue" and I needed to get upgraded drivers for my Dell system. When I asked what kind of drivers (display, video, etc.) they said drivers that would fix the incompatibility issue I had with my system. I tried upgrading from an ISO on a USB drive and DVD as well as trying to upgrade from the desktop as well.

I have a 7 year old Dell machine that still works like a champ for my daughter's need. However, when I went to the dell site and entered in my system code, it says there are no compatibility drivers for Windows 10 which is confusing since I had it working until recently.

So does anyone have any ideas? I know the majority answers may be "get rid of Windows" but it is now my daughter's computer (she's 14) and the games she plays are optimized for Windows 10 as she uses her Xbox one controller and only Windows 10 supports that. I currently have Windows 7 on there right now and it works perfectly for what she needs other than that which ultimately I might need to just deal with but was trying to see if anyone may know a solution to my problem that wouldn't require updating hardware or getting rid of the operating system. Might be a pipe-dream, but figured I would ask anyways. I'm not cheap, but just frustrating that I get systems that can last many years but the hardware seems to outlast Microsoft's operating systems needs.

Thank you for any help anyone can provide.
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My daughter has an old Dell laptop with an old ATI graphics chipset. Works fine for Window 7, but when it upgraded itself to Windows 10, the unsatisfactory default display driver would go past a certain resolution (X by Y pixel size).

A bit of digging on the AMD web site (they bought ATI in the mean time) and found out that this chipset wasn't planned to ever have a Windows 10 driver, so we reverted it back to Windows 7 and plan to leave it there. I myself have an old 32 bit dual core I've decided to leave at Windows XP.

Sometimes there are machines that just can't go forward with Windows, and are best left where they are. This is especially the case if the machine is a 32 bit machine and not a 64 bit machine. Windows 10 just loves lots of memory, and a 32 bit machine just can't address enough of it (limited to 3 GB in the CPU processor architecture).

Take it back to Windows 7 would be my advice, for what it's worth.
 
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backpacker said:
Don't know what Windows 10 was doing to my computer yesterday, but it took over an hour to install and update whatever it was doing, and it picked a horrible time to do it.
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CycloneWanderer said:
An hour to install an update? Sounds like you need a better computer.
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backpacker said:
Since it is only a couple months old and came with Windows 10 pre-installed, I doubt that is the issue.
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Same for my daughter's new Dell laptop with Windows 10 home.

She even took it to the Microsoft store, and it even had the technician fooled. I ran it through about 3 reboots, and it returned to what you could call 'normal'. Persevere, I'd say.

Yeah, same old Mickysoft.
 
eohrnberger said:
My daughter has an old Dell laptop with an old ATI graphics chipset. Works fine for Window 7, but when it upgraded itself to Windows 10, the unsatisfactory default display driver would go past a certain resolution (X by Y pixel size).

A bit of digging on the AMD web site (they bought ATI in the mean time) and found out that this chipset wasn't planned to ever have a Windows 10 driver, so we reverted it back to Windows 7 and plan to leave it there. I myself have an old 32 bit dual core I've decided to leave at Windows XP.

Sometimes there are machines that just can't go forward with Windows, and are best left where they are. This is especially the case if the machine is a 32 bit machine and not a 64 bit machine. Windows 10 just loves lots of memory, and a 32 bit machine just can't address enough of it (limited to 3 GB in the CPU processor architecture).

Take it back to Windows 7 would be my advice, for what it's worth.
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I agree that sometimes it's better to not upgrade software on very old hardware.

In the case of your outdated graphics, the lack of Win10 drivers is not the fault of Win10...rather a decision made by AMD.

In regards to your 32-bit/64 bit situation, Win 10 has versions for both. I have a 32-bit tablet with 1GB system ram and Win10 32-bit works just fine. Now...if your computer has more than 4GB ram and is only a 32-bit machine, you are wasting ram and would also be wasting ram if running Win7...which has the same limitations. Rolling it back to Win7 won't be a good solution for such a machine. Moving on to a 64-bit system would be better.
 
Mycroft said:
I agree that sometimes it's better to not upgrade software on very old hardware.

In the case of your outdated graphics, the lack of Win10 drivers is not the fault of Win10...rather a decision made by AMD.

In regards to your 32-bit/64 bit situation, Win 10 has versions for both. I have a 32-bit tablet with 1GB system ram and Win10 32-bit works just fine. Now...if your computer has more than 4GB ram and is only a 32-bit machine, you are wasting ram and would also be wasting ram if running Win7...which has the same limitations. Rolling it back to Win7 won't be a good solution for such a machine. Moving on to a 64-bit system would be better.
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Quite true. It's a waste of RAM to run more than 3 GB (well rounded up to 4) on a 32 bit machine. You'll never see it, and the 32 bit OS will never be able to use it.

Windows 7 had both a 32 bit and a 64 bit versions, I know, I bought the 64 bit Win7, and that's still the standard laptop build here at work.

I've got an 3 GHz AMD 64 bit dual core desktop with 4 slots for DDR2 (unfortunately) memory running at 800 MHz, with an SSD for XP and an SSD for Win10, SATA2 interface unfortunately. Yeah, this machine is on it's last legs. It's had a good long run, around 6 years or so, so I can't complain.

It does OK all around, but both the 64 bit and 32 bit FireFox installs are dogs.

I upped each of their scheduling priority from Normal to 'Above Normal' (a little bit improved) and to 'High' a little bit more improved, but that still didn't get the snappy response the same version of FireFox delivers when under XP on that machine. Doesn't seem to matter how much I clean out the FireFox add-ins or create a new profile, it's still a dog. Maybe I need to go back a few versions or something?
 
eohrnberger said:
Quite true. It's a waste of RAM to run more than 3 GB (well rounded up to 4) on a 32 bit machine. You'll never see it, and the 32 bit OS will never be able to use it.

Windows 7 had both a 32 bit and a 64 bit versions, I know, I bought the 64 bit Win7, and that's still the standard laptop build here at work.

I've got an 3 GHz AMD 64 bit dual core desktop with 4 slots for DDR2 (unfortunately) memory running at 800 MHz, with an SSD for XP and an SSD for Win10, SATA2 interface unfortunately. Yeah, this machine is on it's last legs. It's had a good long run, around 6 years or so, so I can't complain.

It does OK all around, but both the 64 bit and 32 bit FireFox installs are dogs.

I upped each of their scheduling priority from Normal to 'Above Normal' (a little bit improved) and to 'High' a little bit more improved, but that still didn't get the snappy response the same version of FireFox delivers when under XP on that machine. Doesn't seem to matter how much I clean out the FireFox add-ins or create a new profile, it's still a dog. Maybe I need to go back a few versions or something?
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Get rid of FireFox. :lamo

But seriously, I don't use FF all that much, but I've heard slowness can be a problem. Here are a couple links that might help:

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/why-is-mozilla-firefox-so-slow

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/k...rectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Firefox+is+slow


Or...you could just switch to another browser. Opera is fast and has all the usual extensions available. It's based on Chromium, but in my opinion is faster than Chrome. Edge is pretty damned fast, but it doesn't have the extension base of the other browsers yet.

If you switch, exporting your FF bookmarks is pretty easy to do nowadays.
 
Mycroft said:
Get rid of FireFox. :lamo

But seriously, I don't use FF all that much, but I've heard slowness can be a problem. Here are a couple links that might help:

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/why-is-mozilla-firefox-so-slow

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/k...rectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Firefox+is+slow


Or...you could just switch to another browser. Opera is fast and has all the usual extensions available. It's based on Chromium, but in my opinion is faster than Chrome. Edge is pretty damned fast, but it doesn't have the extension base of the other browsers yet.

If you switch, exporting your FF bookmarks is pretty easy to do nowadays.
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I'll have to check out those links, thanks.

I just got FF working the way I want it to, with the capabilities I wanted. Seems only the last few weeks that it's been bogging down.

The way I want the browser to work goes way back to Windows 2000 and a browser called Maxthon.

Yeah, tried Opera, and Chrome, but they both suffer from the same problem: were each page spawns it's own process. That sucks up quite a lot of resources. I typically have around 4 windows and 40 tabs up and running all the time. Anyone have an industrial strength browser?
 
eohrnberger said:
I'll have to check out those links, thanks.

I just got FF working the way I want it to, with the capabilities I wanted. Seems only the last few weeks that it's been bogging down.

The way I want the browser to work goes way back to Windows 2000 and a browser called Maxthon.

Yeah, tried Opera, and Chrome, but they both suffer from the same problem: were each page spawns it's own process. That sucks up quite a lot of resources. I typically have around 4 windows and 40 tabs up and running all the time. Anyone have an industrial strength browser?
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You don't need a new browser...you need a new computer. Something with 6+ cores and 16GB+ ram.
 
Mycroft said:
You don't need a new browser...you need a new computer. Something with 6+ cores and 16GB+ ram.
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I suppose.

But I've got to put 2 kids through college right now, so it'll have to wait. It's sufficient for now, and if I really get tired of it, and want some speed back, I can always boot up XP. :)
 
eohrnberger said:
I suppose.

But I've got to put 2 kids through college right now, so it'll have to wait. It's sufficient for now, and if I really get tired of it, and want some speed back, I can always boot up XP. :)
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My laptop is a 2GB XP machine. For surfing it does just fine.
 
Fledermaus said:
My laptop is a 2GB XP machine. For surfing it does just fine.
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Yup. That's for sure. I have an old 1 GHz laptop in the garage running windows 2000 for the sole purpose of music and videos in the background while working on the car.
 
Mycroft said:
You might have been dealing with the latest update. It's been reported that it hangs up and stops downloading for some people. It happened to me, as well. No big problem, though. I just kept on doing my thing and the next day I got a message that the computer needed to restart to complete the upgrade. I did that and all is well.

The thing is, you don't usually have to stop using your computer while it downloads and installs an upgrade, but you'll commonly need to restart your computer to complete the install.
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As best I can tell, it decided to download and install something called the anniversary edition of windows 10 that started as soon as a woke the computer without asking my permission. 10 has done some weird update things with me before. A month or so ago it asked if I wanted to install something now or later. I clicked later, and it went on to do it right then and there. It is an odd bird.
 
eohrnberger said:
Same for my daughter's new Dell laptop with Windows 10 home.

She even took it to the Microsoft store, and it even had the technician fooled. I ran it through about 3 reboots, and it returned to what you could call 'normal'. Persevere, I'd say.

Yeah, same old Mickysoft.
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I have a dedicated backup external drive on each of my computers. I have been burned a few times when I just periodically copied things to a flash drive and it went postal in between. Turns out the most recent things I work on are the things I need, not the old stuff there for just in case. Who knew?
 
backpacker said:
As best I can tell, it decided to download and install something called the anniversary edition of windows 10 that started as soon as a woke the computer without asking my permission. 10 has done some weird update things with me before. A month or so ago it asked if I wanted to install something now or later. I clicked later, and it went on to do it right then and there. It is an odd bird.
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Sounds like you haven't set your update settings. There are a number of choices you can make to control such things...as well as a number of issues you have no control over. I recommend you learn about that stuff. There are a lot of resources on the net. Here's one link you might want to check out.

How To Change Windows Update Settings in Windows 10
 
backpacker said:
I have a dedicated backup external drive on each of my computers. I have been burned a few times when I just periodically copied things to a flash drive and it went postal in between. Turns out the most recent things I work on are the things I need, not the old stuff there for just in case. Who knew?
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I'm found Microsoft SyncToy is a useful for keeping a backup hard disk updated with the newly changes files from a source hard disk.

SyncToy 2.1 is a free application that synchronizes files and folders between locations. Typical uses include sharing files, such as photos, with other computers and creating backup copies of files and folders.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=15155
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The advantage being it only copies the new and updates files from source to target, and applies renames from source to target as well. There are 32 bit (x86) and 64 bit (x64) versions, although, I never run into the situation where the 32 bit version couldn't handle it.
 
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