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Update to windows 10?

Hmmm... There is an update waiting. However, I've been pretty much ignoring it for the last couple of days because it hasn't given me any indication that it's something out of the ordinary.

I guess I'll let it run and see what happens. Thanks!
 
But you cant see the desktop under the start menu either... so that excuse beyond idiotic.

Please take note of post 41 in your tone and replies...

Let me try and explain - in Windows 7, there is a desktop with shortcuts and files (if you choose to have icons and shortcuts) and in 8 this was replaced by the metro interface. Remember those users who had to get specialists to pin applications to the taskbar now had to get specialists to show them how to get their desktop back.


Plus press one button and there is the desktop again. In fact I dont use the metro interface at all (other than to search for files). With 8.1 you dont have to interact with the metro interface unless you want too.

you've already forgotten the baseline of most ordinary users - you know, the ones who don't even know the copy, paste and cut shortcuts but now you expect them to know the button to swap between desktop interfaces.

-- Where did I say that it was all owners of Apple desktops? I said Apple and the Apple friendly media. Most Apple owners are people who have been conned by the company into buy an overpriced status symbol.

There you go again. Try and stick to problems created by Microsoft please. Not everything PC related is down to Apple and its users...
 
Perhaps I'm conflating updates with upgrades. I misunderstood.... thinking of service packs as upgrades, probably they are updates, not upgrades, right?

Service packs are updates. Going from Windows 8 to 8.1 was an upgrade that also had updates in it.

Normally an update does not add new functionality, but it can (rarely).

Going from 8 to 8.1 was filled with new or changed functionality, hence it was an upgrade, not an update.

Yes Windows has a lot of updates but at least there are updates for bugs and security holes.. unlike other operating systems :)
 
Then I've never been ordinary because I use mine all the time, always have. Have my favs pinned, my list of recently opened or installed show up, and of course the entire list.... I really do use the start menu, start menu list, I have MyComputer set up to expand, as are my videos, ControlPanel, my jigsaw puzzle program, Word/Works, NotepadPlus, and many more so instead of opening the program I can open the program with the specific doc or video or game already up and running.... I don't know how you can say MOST Win7 users never used the Start Menu or button. If they didn't, they were surely missing out on one of the best parts of the Windows.

Well I can tell you that you are not the norm. Both Microsoft statistics and my personal experience servicing tons of "average" and business people, show that they rarely use the start menu/button for anything. Hell some administrators lock people out of using most of the functions there any ways.

On edit: Are you talking about the image at the lower right corner of the screen or the start button on the keyboard or both? I have to admit, I don't use the keyboard button, but I do use the start menu icon with the mouse very extensively.

Wait, lower right corner? That is the date and time. You mean left correct? And if so, that is the same as pushing the windows key on the keyboard.
 
Please take note of post 41 in your tone and replies...

Let me try and explain - in Windows 7, there is a desktop with shortcuts and files (if you choose to have icons and shortcuts) and in 8 this was replaced by the metro interface.

LOL no it was not. The desktop in Windows 7 was the same in Windows 8 and especially in 8.1 when you can boot directly to it.

Remember those users who had to get specialists to pin applications to the taskbar now had to get specialists to show them how to get their desktop back.

And that I call bull**** on. Not only does pressing the windows button basically bring the desktop out in Windows 8, but there is a big icon on the metro interface called... Desktop! And this excuse is even worse if they had 8.1, since 8.1 boots directly to desktop when no touch interface is detected!

you've already forgotten the baseline of most ordinary users - you know, the ones who don't even know the copy, paste and cut shortcuts but now you expect them to know the button to swap between desktop interfaces.

No, but if they spend 2 minutes to learn that button then it is all golden. And it is irrelevant in 8.1, as it boots directly to desktop.

There you go again. Try and stick to problems created by Microsoft please. Not everything PC related is down to Apple and its users...

I disagree, the critical response is directly related to Apple.. not its users, cause they are dumb as **** most of them, but to Apple and its marketing team. But lets stick to so called problems created by Microsoft... the above mentioned problems are bogus as I have proved.
 
LOL no it was not. The desktop in Windows 7 was the same in Windows 8 and especially in 8.1 when you can boot directly to it.



And that I call bull**** on. Not only does pressing the windows button basically bring the desktop out in Windows 8, but there is a big icon on the metro interface called... Desktop! And this excuse is even worse if they had 8.1, since 8.1 boots directly to desktop when no touch interface is detected!

Didn't think you'd see the problem. You had to set it up to get to the desktop..

For those who bothered to get 8.1 you set it up or had someone set it up for you and you were away. For Windows 7 users, what they had worked but I don't think you'll ever get it.

-- No, but if they spend 2 minutes to learn that button then it is all golden. And it is irrelevant in 8.1, as it boots directly to desktop.

Same 2 minutes it took for people to learn keyboard shortcuts that they have never learned.... and 8.1 was the recognition the ordinary user didn't like Windows 8.

Not that they were told by Apple - or the apple using journalists you think are to blame - people looked and didn't like.

-- I disagree, the critical response is directly related to Apple.. not its users, cause they are dumb as **** most of them, but to Apple and its marketing team. But lets stick to so called problems created by Microsoft... the above mentioned problems are bogus as I have proved.

There you go again, you simply cannot discuss this without blaming Apple users or insulting them. The basic fact is that Windows 7 was popular but Windows 8 and 8.1 were not.

Don't lie and blame Apple or its users - that's just dishonesty on your part.
 
Still no luck on my end, unfortunately. I ran all the latest updates and made sure windows was able to automatically receive new updates. I'm just not seeing the "Get Windows 10 App" icon on my tool bar.

I even tried some special command I found on google that is supposed to force the icon to appear, and it still didn't show up.

I'm not really sure what the problem is, I'm running a relatively high-end 2012 laptop with 64 bit Windows 7 Home Premium, Service Pack 1. That's supposed to be eligible for upgrade, right?
 
Well I can tell you that you are not the norm. Both Microsoft statistics and my personal experience servicing tons of "average" and business people, show that they rarely use the start menu/button for anything. Hell some administrators lock people out of using most of the functions there any ways. Wait, lower right corner? That is the date and time. You mean left correct? And if so, that is the same as pushing the windows key on the keyboard.
Correct, I'm L/R challenged, always have been.
 
Still no luck on my end, unfortunately. I ran all the latest updates and made sure windows was able to automatically receive new updates. I'm just not seeing the "Get Windows 10 App" icon on my tool bar. I even tried some special command I found on google that is supposed to force the icon to appear, and it still didn't show up. I'm not really sure what the problem is, I'm running a relatively high-end 2012 laptop with 64 bit Windows 7 Home Premium, Service Pack 1. That's supposed to be eligible for upgrade, right?
Oh for pity sakes, google Windows 10 free upgrade and go directly to the site. FFS, here Windows 10 Features - Microsoft Be careful though, it does say some computers' hardware will not jive, perhaps that's why you're not getting the icon, since it knows the details of your machine, perhaps it recognizes that even if your Windows version is acceptable, your computer as a whole isn't.
 
Oh for pity sakes, google Windows 10 free upgrade and go directly to the site. FFS, here Windows 10 Features - Microsoft Be careful though, it does say some computers' hardware will not jive, perhaps that's why you're not getting the icon, since it knows the details of your machine, perhaps it recognizes that even if your Windows version is acceptable, your computer as a whole isn't.

I've already been to the FAQ site. Basically all it says is "reserve using the button on your tool bar, which will pop up automatically with the proper update." Well... On my machine, it won't, apparently. :shrug:

As I already said, I tried using a couple of hacks from around the web to force it to appear, but they don't seem to work either.

All I can figure is that either my firewall and/or windows update are completely jacked up, or that Microsoft doesn't think my computer can handle the update, and is holding it back from appearing as such. I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to fix, or even really identify, the former, and the latter would be odd given that my computer's only like three years old. However, I guess you never can tell.

I'll probably just have to contact windows tech support and see if they can tell me anything about it.
 
I've already been to the FAQ site. Basically all it says is "reserve using the button on your tool bar, which will pop up automatically with the proper update." Well... On my machine, it won't, apparently. :shrug:

As I already said, I tried using a couple of hacks from around the web to force it to appear, but they don't seem to work either.

All I can figure is that either my firewall and/or windows update are completely jacked up, or that Microsoft doesn't think my computer can handle the update, and is holding it back from appearing as such. I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to fix, or even really identify, the former, and the latter would be odd given that my computer's only like three years old. However, I guess you never can tell.

I'll probably just have to contact windows tech support and see if they can tell me anything about it.

From this page.... probably your computer isn't going to support Win10.
Windows 10 FAQ & Tips - Microsoft

PCs that we determine cannot run Windows 10 will not see the Get Windows 10 app before July 29, 2015. After July 29, 2015, we’ll enable the icon in the system tray. This is to help ensure that you can easily check your PC’s compatibility if you choose.

If your device is managed as part of a school or business network, please check with your IT administrator about upgrading to Windows 10.
 
Service packs are updates. Going from Windows 8 to 8.1 was an upgrade that also had updates in it.

Normally an update does not add new functionality, but it can (rarely).

Going from 8 to 8.1 was filled with new or changed functionality, hence it was an upgrade, not an update.

Yes Windows has a lot of updates but at least there are updates for bugs and security holes.. unlike other operating systems :)

In my previous reply I seem to have forgotten to reiterate that you've hit on the problem of "free" as I see concern. You've stated it quite nicely. For all those that will sign up for the free Win10, which like Win8 may have limited acceptability and perhaps even functionality, ... how pissed will they be when they find out a year later that Win10.1 which is supposed to fix and/or repair functionality that comes to light after the wide release of 10, that they now have to pay to upgrade to Win10.1? I'm imagining they'll be pretty pissed.
 
Yup. That's what I read as well. I might ask on the forum, just to make sure.

If worse comes to worse, however, I guess I can just wait until July. lol

On the forums, they are saying that Win10 is not yet accurate in assessing compatibility, which I mentioned above in a previous post.
 
~ I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to fix, or even really identify, the former, and the latter would be odd given that my computer's only like three years old ~

What kind of machine is it? Is it a Windows RT machine?
 
What kind of machine is it? Is it a Windows RT machine?

It's a 2012 model HP Paviliion Dv7t. It's got 16 gigs of RAM, a 2.60 GHz processor, a terabyte hard drive, and an NVIDIA Geforce GT 650M graphics card, with a 64 bit operating system running Windows 7 Home Premium, SP1.

It's not top of the line or anything, but it's still powerful enough to run most of the latest games. I really can't imagine that Windows 10 would be too much for it. :shrug:
 
It's a 2012 model HP Paviliion Dv7t. It's got 16 gigs of RAM, a 2.60 GHz processor, a terabyte hard drive, and an NVIDIA Geforce GT 650M graphics card, with a 64 bit operating system running Windows 7 Home Premium, SP1. It's not top of the line or anything, but it's still powerful enough to run most of the latest games. I really can't imagine that Windows 10 would be too much for it. :shrug:
It's not a matter of it being too much for it, but some manufacturers won't have the drives to run your display or your storage system or something along those lines. I have nearly the same machine, same dv7 but mine's a bit beefed up compared to yours. It'll be interesting to see how it falls out, though if you're not able to get the icon, I'd say there's likely some incompatibility.
 
It's a 2012 model HP Paviliion Dv7t. It's got 16 gigs of RAM, a 2.60 GHz processor, a terabyte hard drive, and an NVIDIA Geforce GT 650M graphics card, with a 64 bit operating system running Windows 7 Home Premium, SP1.

It's not top of the line or anything, but it's still powerful enough to run most of the latest games. I really can't imagine that Windows 10 would be too much for it. :shrug:

Thanks, I had a web page open this morning which identified possible issues with how the software was installed that might cause problems. I have a 2006 Fujitsu tablet laptop (the one I'm typing on) and this was the first of my machines that had the icon pop up. I'm not upgrading this one but it's 6 years older than yours.

Anyhow, it may be down to the pre-installed version you have - you may have read about IT guys pulling certification stickers off boxes that laptops come in after they have sold or installed software on a new machine. Some built PCs even with 8.1 don't qualify for this reason - there are or were packs of Win 7 that you could install on up to 3 machines and some sellers sometimes swapped installation on genuine machines so they could sell the install disk to someone else. (selling the same product twice)

Not eligible for a free upgrade
  • No operating system If you built the PC or bought it without a qualifying copy of Windows, you are not automatically eligible for a free upgrade, even if you are currently running the Windows 10 preview.

Even if this is the case - check for the ID stickers under your laptop - or on the original box if you still have it and you can check against the activation code and numbers on your machine.

I have read that Windows will broaden out the activations after the initial roll-out and they want a lot of the pirated copies on a lot of Chinese machines to transfer to becoming legal owners and at this point, they may open it up to others around the world who suddenly find they didn't quite have an original copy.
 
My install of Window's 7 is from an upgrade disc, but, I monkeyed it up so that I could use it as a clean install, so maybe that is the problem? Or you had an OEM disc?
 
What kind of machine is it? Is it a Windows RT machine?

Last year, I won a Surface II at a convention, with the keyboard, thankfully, they included the Best Buy receipt, because that POS was Windows RT. I traded that in for a Samsung Galaxy S 9 inch tablet with keyboard and 32 gig memory, and it is fantastic, now running Lollipop operating system, and it has an amazing display.

My work PC is Windows 7, but the upgrade bug is not on the machine, and for a good reason, the company does not want mixed OS's out there, there are over 50,000 laptops out there!
 
-- My work PC is Windows 7, but the upgrade bug is not on the machine, and for a good reason, the company does not want mixed OS's out there, there are over 50,000 laptops out there!

All our PCs at work are on Windows 7, it's been a huge breath of fresh air once the jump from XP was made. I can see companies hanging on to Windows 7 longer and this means Microsoft may need to rethink its approach in future to business customers with its new software interfaces. It's one thing being a home customer hiring someone to set up your software so you have your shortcuts and browsing at hand and another for a large corporation to hire a team of IT guys showing users how to deal with the new interface.

Windows 10 needs to be right, not just for the first jumpers who think its great but also for very ordinary users who only just know how to open and save document to the right place..
 
I have been trying to get Visual Studio 2015 to work on the Windows 10 Beta. Microsoft FINALLY fixed things and now it works. If MS couldn't make a core product like Visual Studio work on the new operating system, there's no way I would upgrade.
 
I too am a Luddite, and I grieved at the loss of XP at home. I've been very happy with 7, but I really do have to replace my computer soon, and I'm going to lose it too. :(


You can still buy windows 7 machines from HP. If you can't do that.. wait till after win 10 is officially out, since win 8 blows the big one.
 
I have 8.1 on my lap top. It sucks the big one compared to my win 7.

That said, I will be getting the upgrade to win 10. Microsoft has a habit of every other OS they come out with being complete crap. So win 10 should be alright.

I think it still has the issue with you needing to have a 'net' userid to register the damn thing. I know on win 8.1, the best thing is to get that one user, then create another 'local' only account to actually log onto.

PITA
 
I am not going to upgrade to windows 10.I will wait until I get a new computer and that new computer already has windows 10 on it.That may be a several months or several years from now.
 
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