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    Re: Fallout from the Astros scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Ah, I see.

    I still think it's pretty silly, as mentioned in the first paragraph I bolded in your citation, it wasn't "inherently" against the rules. It seems to have become so when coaches couldn't just YELL what they saw (allowing opponents to counter), but could somehow transmit the information "electronically" to players.

    IMHO the game needs to progress as tech progresses. If the Astros did it, then that's a lesson to competing teams to follow the model, and balance the equation.

    But I understand now, rules are rules. Thanks for the explanation.
    Yes, stealing signs is a part of the game, within limits. If the pitcher has a certain "tell" that telegraphs his next pitch, or a runner on second can see the catcher's sign and relays that to the batter, it's one thing. But to secretly install equipment specifically to get an unfair advantage is unethical and wrong. Cameras are not an inherent part of the game.

    There is virtually nothing harder in sports than hitting a baseball coming at you at 98 miles an hour. Using technology outside the game to make it easier is cheating, plain and simple. The league, the team, and the players have acknowledged this. And since they have suffered no league consequences as a result, it has sullied the game.

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    Re: Fallout from the Astros scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Watching film is not the same thing as literally using technology to cheat. Not only had teams explicitly been warned not to do any such thing, but it is well outside the “unwritten rules” of sports. It is one thing to figure out signs because of a pitcher’s tell. That is part of the game. But there is no skill or sportsmanship involved in pointing a camera at the catcher and banging on a trash can.

    It might just come down to morality. Some people were raised to have an issue with deceit and poor sportsmanship.....some people clearly haven’t.
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    Re: Fallout from the Astros scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    On top of all of that, the consequences that were handed out were the severest consequences in baseball history. The team should be expelled and of its members banned from the league.
    That's one point of view. I'm of the opinion the league should take the championship away from the Astros, force the players to return their championship league bonus money (and their rings). And declare in advance that any future behavior similar to this scandal will have severe consequences, including lifetime bans from MLB.

    This was not simply one player using PEDs or a corked bat. This was an entire team conspiring to steal a championship. Unacceptable.

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    Re: Fallout from the Astros scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealers Wheel View Post
    That's one point of view. I'm of the opinion the league should take the championship away from the Astros, force the players to return their championship league bonus money (and their rings). And declare in advance that any future behavior similar to this scandal will have severe consequences, including lifetime bans from MLB.

    This was not simply one player using PEDs or a corked bat. This was an entire team conspiring to steal a championship. Unacceptable.
    Yeah, I view it harsher than you do. I'm sticking with kick the team out of the league and ban everyone who was involved.
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    Re: Fallout from the Astros scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Ah, I see.

    I still think it's pretty silly, as mentioned in the first paragraph I bolded in your citation, it wasn't "inherently" against the rules. It seems to have become so when coaches couldn't just YELL what they saw (allowing opponents to counter), but could somehow transmit the information "electronically" to players.

    IMHO the game needs to progress as tech progresses. If the Astros did it, then that's a lesson to competing teams to follow the model, and balance the equation.

    But I understand now, rules are rules. Thanks for the explanation.
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    Re: Fallout from the Astros scandal

    Take away the Astros' rings and vacate the championship.

    Do not give it to the Dodgers.
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    Re: Fallout from the Astros scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesbyoung View Post
    Take away the Astros' rings and vacate the championship.

    Do not give it to the Dodgers.
    Oh God no. The Yankees deserve it instead.
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    Vacate the Astrosí World Series championship. Case closed.

    Donít do the crime if you canít do the time.








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    Re: Fallout from the Astros scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    Oh God no. The Yankees deserve it instead.
    Don't give it to anybody. And make the Astros give back their prize money.
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    Re: Fallout from the Astros scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesbyoung View Post
    Don't give it to anybody. And make the Astros give back their prize money.
    My Yankees comment was a joke. That's why I put a grinning face at the end of it.
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