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Daytona 500 Wreck

Phys251 said:
Newman is doing better today.

Ryan Newman awake, speaking after Daytona 500 crash :thumbs:
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From that story
There has not been a fatality in NASCAR's elite Cup Series since Dale Earnhardt died in a crash on the final lap of the 2001 Daytona 500.
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That is truly amazing when you consider you got vehicles going 200 mph and often inches from each other.

I truly have no idea what it is like to drive 200 mph. Have gone 110 mph on my old bike and that was on a long flat stretch of road without any other vehicles. Just cannot fathom another 90 mph and with traffic.
 
Good news today as Ryan Newman leaves hospital. He looks far better than I expected.

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I also feel sad for Ryan Blaney who was only trying to help push Newman to victory when things just turned south on them. Hopefully he too can breathe easier.
 
Crosscheck said:
Good news today as Ryan Newman leaves hospital. He looks far better than I expected.

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I also feel sad for Ryan Blaney who was only trying to help push Newman to victory when things just turned south on them. Hopefully he too can breathe easier.
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That is truly amazing. What a feat for engineering.
 
calamity said:
That is truly amazing. What a feat for engineering.
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The picture of him walking out with his two daughters is very uplifting.

I just wished someone in the family could have brought him a pair of shoes. :)

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Phys251 said:
Whatever.
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I'm with you. I'll joke about whatever I want and screw the folks who it upsets. They knew what they were signing up for before they ever got into the car. Same with military folks. We make them out to be gods when many of them are nothing but losers who ended up in the service.
 
calamity said:
Yes, Dale's crash actually appeared to be minor. But, that was before the head restraint system was put in place.

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Watching this crash, I see a lot of energy being dissipated over an extended period of time. That's a good thing. These cars are designed to keep the drivers safe.

Here's to hoping the engineering did its job.
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In Dale Earnhardts case, his seat belt broke. He would have died even with the head restraint. However Nascar making the head restraint mandatory after the Earhardt crash in all likelihood saved Newman's life.
 
bongsaway said:
I'm with you. I'll joke about whatever I want and screw the folks who it upsets. They knew what they were signing up for before they ever got into the car. Same with military folks. We make them out to be gods when many of them are nothing but losers who ended up in the service.
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You have much to learn. I hope life teaches you those lessons.
 
ObamacareFail said:
In Dale Earnhardts case, his seat belt broke. He would have died even with the head restraint. However Nascar making the head restraint mandatory after the Earhardt crash in all likelihood saved Newman's life.
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His seat belt did not break.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You have much to learn. I hope life teaches you those lessons.
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Uh huh, you with the obamacarefail as your username telling me I have much to learn. I've learned most folks on the right are hypocrites. At least I put my opinion out there for folks like you to smash. Feel free, bang away.
 
calamity said:
Improper use is not really a broken belt.
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They actually did say that the webbing of the seat belt broke.

"A seat-belt failure as a result of improperly installed belts was used as a contributing factor to Earnhardt's fatal crash. That is according to Dr. James Hr. Raddin, Jr., M.D., the director of Biodynamic Research Corporation in San Antonio, Texas; and Dean L. Sicking, Ph.D., P.E., director, Midwest Roadside Safety Facility, professor of Civil Engineering, University of Nebraska.

Also participating in the investigation were James V. Benedict, M.D., Ph.D. for Biodynamic and John H. Reid, Ph.D. for the University of Nebraska.

The seat belt failure was termed "dumping" during the accident. This meant the adjuster mechanism became cockeyed (the lower end moved forward) and the webbing in the left side adjuster mechanism bunched up toward the lower end of the mechanism.

Belt webbing works best when it remains flat and all of its fibers are pulled at once. When a belt dumps, a greater stress is placed on fewer fibers, and there is a greater risk of tearing. The concept is similar to a heavy sheet of paper. It is difficult to separate the sheet if both ends are pulled straight. But if the paper is pulled on one side only and rips across, it will tear quickly."
 
FreedomFromAll said:
They actually did say that the webbing of the seat belt broke.

"A seat-belt failure as a result of improperly installed belts was used as a contributing factor to Earnhardt's fatal crash. That is according to Dr. James Hr. Raddin, Jr., M.D., the director of Biodynamic Research Corporation in San Antonio, Texas; and Dean L. Sicking, Ph.D., P.E., director, Midwest Roadside Safety Facility, professor of Civil Engineering, University of Nebraska.

Also participating in the investigation were James V. Benedict, M.D., Ph.D. for Biodynamic and John H. Reid, Ph.D. for the University of Nebraska.

The seat belt failure was termed "dumping" during the accident. This meant the adjuster mechanism became cockeyed (the lower end moved forward) and the webbing in the left side adjuster mechanism bunched up toward the lower end of the mechanism.

Belt webbing works best when it remains flat and all of its fibers are pulled at once. When a belt dumps, a greater stress is placed on fewer fibers, and there is a greater risk of tearing. The concept is similar to a heavy sheet of paper. It is difficult to separate the sheet if both ends are pulled straight. But if the paper is pulled on one side only and rips across, it will tear quickly."
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I get that. But, saying the seatbelt broke implies the seatbelt system failed. It did not. The seat belt was improperly used. It's like saying the anti-lock brake system failed when someone driving 160 mph, down hill, failed to bring the car to a stop in 20 feet. The **** was not designed to do that.
 
calamity said:
I get that. But, saying the seatbelt broke implies the seatbelt system failed. It did not. The seat belt was improperly used. It's like saying the anti-lock brake system failed when someone driving 160 mph, down hill, failed to bring the car to a stop in 20 feet. The **** was not designed to do that.
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None the less the seatbelt broke, you claimed it did not. "His seat belt did not break." Then you doubled down with "Improper use is not really a broken belt." But then I showed that indeed because of improper use the belt did break.

So do not pretend that my quote did not start out clearly stating that improper use was the cause of the failure. It literally said that in the first sentence that I quoted.

"A seat-belt failure as a result of improperly installed belts was used as a contributing factor to Earnhardt's fatal crash."
 
bongsaway said:
Uh huh, you with the obamacarefail as your username telling me I have much to learn. I've learned most folks on the right are hypocrites. At least I put my opinion out there for folks like you to smash. Feel free, bang away.
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Your problem is that your opinions are 100% tribally partisan. My username is in reference to a piece of **** legislation that I would have bashed no matter which party came up with it. It's first effect was a letter in the mail canceling my health insurance policy and telling me I would have to sign up for a replacement policy with a 300% increase in the cost of monthly premiums and a 500% increase in the annual deductible and for less coverage of what mattered.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Your problem is that your opinions are 100% tribally partisan. My username is in reference to a piece of **** legislation that I would have bashed no matter which party came up with it. It's first effect was a letter in the mail canceling my health insurance policy and telling me I would have to sign up for a replacement policy with a 300% increase in the cost of monthly premiums and a 500% increase in the annual deductible and for less coverage of what mattered.
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Stop projecting. Let me guess, next you're going to be telling us your premiums have been going down since trump was elected.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
None the less the seatbelt broke, you claimed it did not. "His seat belt did not break." Then you doubled down with "Improper use is not really a broken belt." But then I showed that indeed because of improper use the belt did break.

So do not pretend that my quote did not start out clearly stating that improper use was the cause of the failure. It literally said that in the first sentence that I quoted.

"A seat-belt failure as a result of improperly installed belts was used as a contributing factor to Earnhardt's fatal crash."
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His seat belt did not "break."

BTW, it's nonetheless.
 
Having seen the crash and the violent impact it is astonishing he could walk away from the hospital.
 
bongsaway said:
Stop projecting. Let me guess, next you're going to be telling us your premiums have been going down since trump was elected.
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In my case, they not only went down, they went away altogether. I dropped out of the private healthcare system at that point rather then accept those rates. I enrolled in VA healthcare, which has vastly improved since Trump took office. Okay?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Actually it did break and there is plenty of evidence to show it.
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It broke like the brakes failed on that limo with 20 people in it that was designed for 5. In other words, they would not have failed/broke if used properly.
 
calamity said:
It broke like the brakes failed on that limo with 20 people in it that was designed for 5. In other words, they would not have failed/broke if used properly.
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And again that was addressed in the first sentence of the quote that i gave you. Did you miss it or are you just pretending that it did not exist?

I literally quoted where it said that the seat belt broke because of it being improperly installed (twice). Yet you comeback telling me what I just quoted as if I did not know wtf I just quoted and told you.
 
ObamacareFail said:
In my case, they not only went down, they went away altogether. I dropped out of the private healthcare system at that point rather then accept those rates. I enrolled in VA healthcare, which has vastly improved since Trump took office. Okay?
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Yes that's fine with me. My point was all of the folks who don't support some form of healthcare change for the better are basically getting most of their insurance from their employers. What if the employer one day said, company healthcare gone, can't afford it anymore. Do you think those folks would then be more open to reforming healthcare or still say oh well, I'll bite the bullet and pay the expensive premiums from private healthcare. My guess, many couldn't afford it.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
And again that was addressed in the first sentence of the quote that i gave you. Did you miss it or are you just pretending that it did not exist?

I literally quoted where it said that the seat belt broke because of it being improperly installed (twice). Yet you comeback telling me what I just quoted as if I did not know wtf I just quoted and told you.
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I’m only disputing the definition of “broke.” The “seatbelt broke” was originally presented as though the cause of death resulted from a failure of the safety restraint system. This was not what actually happened. Improper use of the safety restraint system caused the death. You can’t really say “the seatbelt broke,” if it was never properly used to begin with.
 
MovingPictures said:
NASCAR has been playing with fire by making it less about racing and more of a "show" for the news reels. They've catered way too much to these WWF types that just want to see mayhem in place of actual racing, and we've had too many god damn near miss accidents that could have killed a driver and paying fans.

I'll be honest, I thought we had lost Newman.
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Now that Newman is out of the hosipital...

The fact is that we see those wrecks several times a week, 4 weeks a year a the two races at Daytona and 'dega. You simply cannot run 200 miles an hour and slide all over th track blocking cars at that speed and not have what happened, happen. At 200 mph a slight air nudge...it doesnt even require cars making contact...will cause the rear of the car to come off the shocks and lose traction and when that happens, the car will invariable slide, usually up the track, often collecting about half the field in the process. Bump drafting can cause wrecks...but its not as commonplace as blocking. Ryan was beat. Blaney had the push to beat Newman to the outside so Newman went up to block him. When Newman went up the track Blaney dropped to the inside and Newman dropped down to block that move. Too much speed...around he went. You can get away with one block...sometimes. But sliding all over the track like that is bound to bring about that result. Take away the extraordinary roll over where he was hit upside down, that wreck was just another on of about 9 that occurred throughout the whole speed week. Hell...one of the duels was so bad they finished with what...7 cars running?
 
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