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Daytona 500 Wreck

Phys251 said:
I keep forgetting, any time we talk about Trump in anything but the most glowing light, we're bound to offend someone. :roll:

Whatever. I hope Newman survives and makes a full recovery.
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I am as anti-45 as it gets. It wasn't funny or appropriate. Let's move on.
 
Phys251 said:
Then I expect you to get upset at Hamlin for fist-pumping his victory AND for driving his car through the grass well after this bad wreck. He shouldn't have celebrated after taking advantage of that crash to win the race, now should he?

Seriously, man. You've got a big, fat double standard going right now about outrage. :thumbdown
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He didn't know. Perhaps you didn't see him hug his daughter after he learned of the crash.
 
Parrish said:
I am as anti-45 as it gets. It wasn't funny or appropriate. Let's move on.
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So you're ready to stop with your virtue signaling? Good to hear.
 
Phys251 said:
Then I expect you to get upset at Hamlin for fist-pumping his victory AND for driving his car through the grass well after this bad wreck. He shouldn't have celebrated after taking advantage of that crash to win the race, now should he?
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They had no idea the crash had resulted in injuries to Newman from what I heard - I didn't even watch the end.

Seriously, man. You've got a big, fat double standard going right now about outrage. :thumbdown
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No, I've just been around motorsport culture for a looong time, and know that joking in a time like this is very disrespectful to fans. Looks like you're looking for any excuse to defend an insensitive joke that you refuse to retract for the stupidest of reasons.

Should we all have made jokes about California when Bryant's helicopter went down? It's the same thing.

I can't believe this has to be explained to you.
 
MovingPictures said:
I'm surprised at that.

I honestly suspected he had been killed, having gone through this countless times before.

But he must have serious injuries to his body, or he wouldn't be at the hospital.
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"having gone through this countless times before"?

Curious as to what you are meaning. You've been in 'countless NASCAR crashes before?' :shock: Eh? :confused:
 
MovingPictures said:
I'm surprised at that.

I honestly suspected he had been killed, having gone through this countless times before.

But he must have serious injuries to his body, or he wouldn't be at the hospital.
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They are citing NASCAR. It was a pretty rough wreck. I suspected getting hit after he was in the air would have been the end of him. That said, it can still be awhile before they know for sure. Those kinds of impacts can do a lot of **** that sneaks up on them.
 
MovingPictures said:
They had no idea the crash had resulted in injuries to Newman from what I heard - I didn't even watch the end.


No, I've just been around motorsport culture for a looong time, and know that joking in a time like this is very disrespectful to fans. Looks like you're looking for any excuse to defend an insensitive joke that you refuse to retract for the stupidest of reasons.

Should we all have made jokes about California when Bryant's helicopter went down? It's the same thing.

I can't believe this has to be explained to you.
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If you want to join Parrish in the virtue signaling parade, that's up to you two. You both are getting offended over a minor joke.

Let. It. Go.
 
Phys251 said:
If you want to join Parrish in the virtue signaling parade, that's up to you two. You both are getting offended over a minor joke.

Let. It. Go.
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You're the person that made an insensitive joke that just keeps digging and digging, not us.
 
calamity said:
Yes, Dale's crash actually appeared to be minor. But, that was before the head restraint system was put in place.

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Watching this crash, I see a lot of energy being dissipated over an extended period of time. That's a good thing. These cars are designed to keep the drivers safe.

Here's to hoping the engineering did its job.
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Any of us who saw the fatal Earnhardt crash thought it was just a routine crash at first. But 50+ g acceleration proved lethal. If his car had more gently bounced off the wall, he might have made it.
 
azgreg said:
That's what happens when you block.
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When you block someone that's not actually busting a move and is, instead, trying to gain control of their vehicle.
 
eohrnberger said:
"having gone through this countless times before"?

Curious as to what you are meaning. You've been in 'countless NASCAR crashes before?' :shock: Eh? :confused:
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No, no, no.

I mean, that as a race fan that lived through era's where fatalities were common, I know the signs to look for when a driver is in either bad shape, or when there's been a fatality.

The ambulance going slowly straight to the hospital, with no word on the drivers condition in secrecy for hours is never a good sign. Then as a fan you get that lump in your throat, because that's how it was for Erwin, Petty, Wheldon, Moore, Senna, Earnhardt, etc.
 
Phys251 said:
Any of us who saw the fatal Earnhardt crash thought it was just a routine crash at first. But 50+ g acceleration proved lethal. If his car had more gently bounced off the wall, he might have made it.
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It's no different than a rabbit punch in boxing.

Too perfect a contact with the wall can be lethal.
 
MovingPictures said:
No, no, no.

I mean, that as a race fan that lived through era's where fatalities were common, I know the signs to look for when a driver is in either bad shape, or when there's been a fatality.

The ambulance going slowly straight to the hospital, with no word on the drivers condition in secrecy for hours is never a good sign. Then as a fan you get that lump in your throat, because that's how it was for Erwin, Petty, Wheldon, Moore, Senna, Earnhardt, etc.
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Oh, yeah, I gotch'a now.

Good that the safety systems in the cars have been much improved with research and development (used to be that you could almost punch through an F1 cockpit side back in the 90's! :shock:), and good on the rules committees mandating their use.
 
eohrnberger said:
Oh, yeah, I gotch'a now.

Good that the safety systems in the cars have been much improved with research and development (used to be that you could almost punch through an F1 cockpit side back in the 90's! :shock:), and good on the rules committees mandating their use.
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NASCAR has been playing with fire by making it less about racing and more of a "show" for the news reels. They've catered way too much to these WWF types that just want to see mayhem in place of actual racing, and we've had too many god damn near miss accidents that could have killed a driver and paying fans.

I'll be honest, I thought we had lost Newman.
 
MovingPictures said:
NASCAR has been playing with fire by making it less about racing and more of a "show" for the news reels. They've catered way too much to these WWF types that just want to see mayhem in place of actual racing, and we've had too many god damn near miss accidents that could have killed a driver and paying fans.

I'll be honest, I thought we had lost Newman.
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Less bumpin', more racing?

While not an avid NASCAR follower, seems to me that in recent years the toleration of the 'show' (bumpin', drivers facing off against each other over a dispute, fightin' words) has increased.
I could be wrong though.

In F1, the cars are so highly strung, so fragile, that the racers dare not bump each other.

I'd be against the de-tuning of the equipment, isn't it fundamentally part of racing to have a car that is barely contained or containable?
 
eohrnberger said:
Less bumpin', more racing?

While not an avid NASCAR follower, seems to me that in recent years the toleration of the 'show' (bumpin', drivers facing off against each other over a dispute, fightin' words) has increased.
I could be wrong though.

In F1, the cars are so highly strung, so fragile, that the racers dare not bump each other.

I'd be against the de-tuning of the equipment, isn't it fundamentally part of racing to have a car that is barely contained or containable?
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There have been many efforts to control speeds in racing over the decades.

Indycar (CART at the time) reduced speeds via the Hanford devise, but even then speeds still went well into the 240's on the super speedways. NHRA has done the same for drag racing by going from 1320 to 1000ft for runs, yet speeds a back to where they were a ten years ago.

NASCAR controlled the speeds by limiting the BHP via restrictor plates over the intakes. This has brought about the pack racing where nobody can break away from each other, and so if one person makes a small mistake it can result in devastating crashes. Worse yet, drivers have been given the go ahead by NASCAR to wreck each other in the name of a race win, which makes these crashes all the more likely.
 
MovingPictures said:
There have been many efforts to control speeds in racing over the decades.

Indycar (CART at the time) reduced speeds via the Hanford devise, but even then speeds still went well into the 240's on the super speedways. NHRA has done the same for drag racing by going from 1320 to 1000ft for runs, yet speeds a back to where they were a ten years ago.

NASCAR controlled the speeds by limiting the BHP via restrictor plates over the intakes. This has brought about the pack racing where nobody can break away from each other, and so if one person makes a small mistake it can result in devastating crashes. Worse yet, drivers have been given the go ahead by NASCAR to wreck each other in the name of a race win, which makes these crashes all the more likely.
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You have to admit that its less boring than watching the leader lap the field.
 
I'd say he's alive today due to the changes made at tracks since the death of Earnhardt Sr. The crash, into the wall, looked a lot like the Earnhardt crash.
 
Crosscheck said:
That was just a horrible crash.
Hoping he is okay but if you noticed they kept the cameras away when they removed him from wrecked car.

Even with all the safety built into these cars a human body can only take so much.

A lot of race fans were upset how quickly Denny Hamlin celebrated but I don't know how much he knew about the wreck at that moment he finished the race.

He was much more somber at the award ceremony.
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He said he was unaware till he got to winner's circle.
 
Phys251 said:
Any of us who saw the fatal Earnhardt crash thought it was just a routine crash at first. But 50+ g acceleration proved lethal. If his car had more gently bounced off the wall, he might have made it.
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HANS device was only beginning to be used by some drivers then. His restraint had a failure leading to a basal skull fracture.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You have to admit that its less boring than watching the leader lap the field.
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I don't know about that. Personally, I think restrictor plates have made racing more dangerous than it needs to be.
 
Lutherf said:
I don't know about that. Personally, I think restrictor plates have made racing more dangerous than it needs to be.
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I said nothing of restrictor plates nor safety. What I said was that it was boring watching the lead car spend most of the race laps ahead of the other cars. Back then the real racing to watch was further back in the pack. WHich you hardly got see that real racing since the camera was glued to the leader.
 
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