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Pitcher sues Astros

PirateMk1 said:
Get off your horse. Your just stuck on stupid now.
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"She shouldn't have worn that dress" is your excuse for the cheaters.

And that's "you're".
 
ecofarm said:
"She shouldn't have worn that dress" is your excuse for the cheaters.

And that's "you're".
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You're right about the you're. The rest not so much.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You're right about the you're. The rest not so much.
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Just be careful about grammatical errors while calling other contributions stupid. Thanks.
 
calamity said:
Dusty Baker urges MLB to protect Astros from beanballs, retaliation

Really?

Sheesh
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Dusty has to say that, to protect his players. And actually listening to the radio lately I've heard A LOT of people call in and say every team should start off a series by throwing at the Astro players. All year long...

BUT Dusty is old school. I'm sure he would happily put his 100 mph relievers out there to throw high and tight at other teams hitters if their pitchers are throwing at his players.

And being it's the American league where the pitchers do not hit, if I was a batter on say the Angels, and my pitchers were throwing at the Astro players, I would be really PO'ed knowing the Astro pitchers will retaliate at the Angels hitters, not the pitchers.
 
calamity said:
Oh puh-leeze.

Cheating has always been part of the game. Spit balls, sandpaper, pine tar, corked bats, Roids, stealing signs...nothing new here.
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Does that apply to the New England Patriots?
 
PirateMk1 said:
Sign stealing manually is allowed and celebrated. So what is the difference between manual sign stealing and technical. Not much if anything. So why is it even banned? I see your point if the practice of sign stealing was banned outright. But its not. Its the method thats banned. Therefor it is correct to question the validity of the ban and what it purports to prevent. The ban by the way is rather vague, dont use technology. Baseball uses technology to study their opponents which uses film. This is allowed. So if a team picks on signs that are consistently used, then are they then therefore banned from using them if can do so manually? This is a gray area the Astros tread into. Its not black and white.
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Based on the debate thus far, it seems clear that although the question of whether this techno-stealing should be banned isn't black-and-white, the question of whether it was banned at the time the Astros used it is a definite "yes".

For any sport I'm aware of, "was in effect" trumps "should have been in effect" every single time, even for flawed rules. That's the bottom line.

I generally have no use America's "punitive damages" approach to torts and rule-breaking. This case is no exception. The appropriate course of action is for the MLB to fire and banish any responsible manager(s) from the league, not filing third party lawsuits that will ultimately only suck money out of ticket holders' pockets. But I realize suing companies for ridiculous amounts of money is the way things are handled in the good ol' litigious US of A, and if that's the only way to send the message that obeying the rules isn't optional, so be it.
 
 
Everyone cheats in baseball. Gaylord Perry, perhaps the best cheater ever, is a hero. And, yes, roughing up the ball to add spin and drag (i.e. movement) to a 90 mph fastball is a far more effective form of cheating than stealing a sign.
 
calamity said:
Everyone cheats in baseball. Gaylord Perry, perhaps the best cheater ever, is a hero. And, yes, roughing up the ball to add spin and drag (i.e. movement) to a 90 mph fastball is a far more effective form of cheating than stealing a sign.
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Electronic cheating is explicitly banned.
 
Jack Hays said:
Electronic cheating is explicitly banned.
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Giants did it in 1951..

But 70 years later if it not addressed and the Astros aren't vilified and sent to hell all of mankind will cease.

But I am glad MLB finally got around to addressing this scourge... ;)
 
Jack Hays said:
Yes, and when discovered it is punished. Some, like Gaylord Perry, allegedly became so adept they could not be caught.
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And, Houston pulled it off until one of their former players talked to the Atlantic.
 
Everyone rolls a stop sign. That doesn't mean that everyone commits murder.

calamity said:
Everyone cheats in baseball. Gaylord Perry, perhaps the best cheater ever, is a hero. And, yes, roughing up the ball to add spin and drag (i.e. movement) to a 90 mph fastball is a far more effective form of cheating than stealing a sign.
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The Astros didn't hit one pitch all game unless they were in their park. Then a 0 run team becomes a powerhouse. They lost almost every away game and won almost every home game. The camera in center field at their stadium made all the difference in the world.

They beat teams only in Houston and got clobbered when away.

Look at the difference between home and away, especially in the playoffs.
 
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ecofarm said:
The Astros didn't hit one pitch all game unless they were in their park. Then a 0 run team becomes a powerhouse. They lost almost every away game and won almost every home game. The camera in center field at their stadium made all the difference in the world.

They beat teams only in Houston and got clobbered when away.

Look at the difference between home and away, especially in the playoffs.
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In the World Series the Nats won all four games in Houston and lost all three in Washington.
 
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