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    Re: Major League Baseball 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Some baseball insiders are saying Rob Manfred is coming down on the Astros AND will come down HARD on Cora because in 2017 MLB got a whiff that cheating was going on so he specifically warned them/him and all the teams in 2018 not to use technology, including replay monitors to steal signs. And he's PO'ed that this warning was ignored by the Astros, Cora in Boston, and now maybe other teams.

    If true, they all knew. And now might feel the Commish's wrath.
    Given the amount of player and coach movement among teams, it's hard to believe too many people thought this was a secret that could be kept.
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    Re: Major League Baseball 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    Houston Astros' Jeff Luhnow, AJ Hinch suspended 1 year

    The Astros and Red Sox should be stripped of their WS titles. Alex Cora should be banned for 2 years. It is good the cheaters finally get caught!
    The shine sure has come off the Astros apple. It'll be mighty interesting to see what their offense looks like this year.

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    Re: Major League Baseball 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Given the amount of player and coach movement among teams, it's hard to believe too many people thought this was a secret that could be kept.
    Agreed. But if many thought they/other teams are all doing it, then maybe no one will blab or care. Again, kind of like the steroids. Bonds started doing them because he knew McGuire and Sosa were, and I'm sure others thought the same as Bonds.

    Get an edge, and think everyone else is doing it too? That's a big temptation for any player.
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    Re: Major League Baseball 2020

    Re: Houston we have a problem.

    Pete Rose asks, "Hey! Why can't I catch a ****ing break?"
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    Re: Major League Baseball 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Re: Houston we have a problem.

    Pete Rose asks, "Hey! Why can't I catch a ****ing break?"
    Funny listening to sports radio here in NY and hearing Yankees fans scream how the Astros(2017) and the Bosox(earlier 2000's titles with Ortiz and Manny(steroids)) and 2018(sign stealing) should be stripped of their WS titles.

    Of course when asked about Arod in 2009, and Clemens and the MANY other steroid cheater on Yankees in the late 1990's and early 2000's teams they all of sudden don't care about those cheaters.
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    Re: Major League Baseball 2020

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    Manfred knew the game had entered a new era with the explosion of technology. On Sept. 15, 2017, in his statement announcing his fines of the Red Sox and Yankees, Manfred admitted “the prevalence of technology, especially the technology used in the replay process, has made it increasingly difficult to monitor appropriate and inappropriate uses of electronic equipment.”

    He drew a line in the sand: “All 30 clubs have been notified that future violations of this type will be subject to more serious sanctions, including the possible loss of draft picks.”

    Manfred explained, “When I did the fines with the Yankees and the Red Sox it was wholly out of whack with fines of the past and I knew it was thin soup at the time, which is why I wrote the thing the way that I did. Just stop. You have to stop. I think you know how clubs are about [draft] picks. That’s why I explicitly mentioned draft picks.”

    Just six days after Manfred dropped his warning, the Astros used their trash can system against the Chicago White Sox, according to video and audio from the game. The moment Houston violated the commissioner’s Sept. 15 warning is the moment the Astros became subject to severe penalties.

    According to two sources familiar with the investigation, Houston did not use the trash can system in the 2017 postseason. Banging on trash cans would be too obvious in the heightened scrutiny of the postseason environment.

    Instead, playoff teams in 2017 would have to be more discreet about using technology to steal signs. Paranoia ran deep. By the end of the World Series, which had the sub-context of a sign-stealing competition between the Dodgers and Astros, Manfred knew the Boston scandal was only the tip to a massive iceberg.

    According to one baseball source, MLB “spent the entire ’17 postseason running back and forth chasing down allegations about who was stealing signs. Everybody was charging everybody with doing it.”

    Manfred doubled down on his warning. On March 27, 2018, under the signature of chief baseball operations officer Joe Torre, Manfred sent a three-page memo to “all club presidents, general managers and assistant general managers” defining the limits of technology. His goal was to remove any ambiguity that may have existed from his Sept. 15 statement.

    The 2018 memo stated, “Electronic equipment, including game feeds in the club replay room and/or video room, may never be used during a game for the purpose of stealing the opposing team’s signs.”

    In boldface the memo emphasized, “To be clear, the use of any equipment in the clubhouse or in the club’s replay or video rooms to decode opposing signs during the game violates this regulation.”

    Said Manfred, “The way I read what I wrote was that there was going to be club responsibility and the people most able to control what was going on were field managers and general managers and it was their responsibility to make sure things were done correctly. Management has certain rights. They also have certain responsibilities.

    “We made a decision in the 2017-18 offseason to draw the line.”

    Still, the paranoia about cheating continued. Baseball announced that before the 2018 postseason “a number of clubs called the commissioner’s office about sign stealing and the inappropriate use of video equipment.” The charges came against “a number of clubs.” In February 2019 Manfred responded with stronger protocols against the misuse of technology, including banning all non-network cameras from foul pole to foul pole and placing all clubhouse and bullpen monitors on an eight-second delay.

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    Astros cheating scandal had to result in historic punishment - Sports Illustrated
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    Re: Major League Baseball 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The shine sure has come off the Astros apple. It'll be mighty interesting to see what their offense looks like this year.
    Funny thing is the Astros out of all the teams in MLB have spent the LEAST on free agents.

    They lost their GM and assistant GM so that will probably hurt drafting and scouting. That will hurt in replenishing their minor leagues. As for their current team, they are pretty solid and can still win 90+ wins.
    Is it just me or is it getting crazier out there?

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    Re: Major League Baseball 2020

    Like Boston needs another cheating scandal.....geeeeees! It doesn't say very much for my Red Sox that Cora hasn't been booted out onto Lansdowne street by now.

    I would love to see the fans boycott the Astros and Sox.

    So far, the commissioner hasn't done squat.

    The five million dollar fine is a big nothing.

    2 draft picks is another big nothing

    Suspending A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow..........meh!

    There were a lot of players involved in the cheating as well, and they are getting a free pass?

    The Dodgers Fans, organization, and players got cheated out of a World Series.

    Pete got banned for a lot less IMO.
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    Is stealing signs the problem or is it the use of technology to steal the signs?

    My suspicions are that lots of players on many teams do their best to steal the signs of the opposing pitcher.
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