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Major League Baseball 2020

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Manfred knew the game had entered a new era with the explosion of technology. On Sept. 15, 2017, in his statement announcing his fines of the Red Sox and Yankees, Manfred admitted “the prevalence of technology, especially the technology used in the replay process, has made it increasingly difficult to monitor appropriate and inappropriate uses of electronic equipment.”

He drew a line in the sand: “All 30 clubs have been notified that future violations of this type will be subject to more serious sanctions, including the possible loss of draft picks.”

Manfred explained, “When I did the fines with the Yankees and the Red Sox it was wholly out of whack with fines of the past and I knew it was thin soup at the time, which is why I wrote the thing the way that I did. Just stop. You have to stop. I think you know how clubs are about [draft] picks. That’s why I explicitly mentioned draft picks.”

Just six days after Manfred dropped his warning, the Astros used their trash can system against the Chicago White Sox, according to video and audio from the game. The moment Houston violated the commissioner’s Sept. 15 warning is the moment the Astros became subject to severe penalties.

According to two sources familiar with the investigation, Houston did not use the trash can system in the 2017 postseason. Banging on trash cans would be too obvious in the heightened scrutiny of the postseason environment.

Instead, playoff teams in 2017 would have to be more discreet about using technology to steal signs. Paranoia ran deep. By the end of the World Series, which had the sub-context of a sign-stealing competition between the Dodgers and Astros, Manfred knew the Boston scandal was only the tip to a massive iceberg.

According to one baseball source, MLB “spent the entire ’17 postseason running back and forth chasing down allegations about who was stealing signs. Everybody was charging everybody with doing it.”

Manfred doubled down on his warning. On March 27, 2018, under the signature of chief baseball operations officer Joe Torre, Manfred sent a three-page memo to “all club presidents, general managers and assistant general managers” defining the limits of technology. His goal was to remove any ambiguity that may have existed from his Sept. 15 statement.

The 2018 memo stated, “Electronic equipment, including game feeds in the club replay room and/or video room, may never be used during a game for the purpose of stealing the opposing team’s signs.”

In boldface the memo emphasized, “To be clear, the use of any equipment in the clubhouse or in the club’s replay or video rooms to decode opposing signs during the game violates this regulation.”

Said Manfred, “The way I read what I wrote was that there was going to be club responsibility and the people most able to control what was going on were field managers and general managers and it was their responsibility to make sure things were done correctly. Management has certain rights. They also have certain responsibilities.

“We made a decision in the 2017-18 offseason to draw the line.”

Still, the paranoia about cheating continued. Baseball announced that before the 2018 postseason “a number of clubs called the commissioner’s office about sign stealing and the inappropriate use of video equipment.” The charges came against “a number of clubs.” In February 2019 Manfred responded with stronger protocols against the misuse of technology, including banning all non-network cameras from foul pole to foul pole and placing all clubhouse and bullpen monitors on an eight-second delay.

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Astros cheating scandal had to result in historic punishment - Sports Illustrated
 
The shine sure has come off the Astros apple. It'll be mighty interesting to see what their offense looks like this year.

Funny thing is the Astros out of all the teams in MLB have spent the LEAST on free agents.

They lost their GM and assistant GM so that will probably hurt drafting and scouting. That will hurt in replenishing their minor leagues. As for their current team, they are pretty solid and can still win 90+ wins.
 
Like Boston needs another cheating scandal.....geeeeees! It doesn't say very much for my Red Sox that Cora hasn't been booted out onto Lansdowne street by now.

I would love to see the fans boycott the Astros and Sox.

So far, the commissioner hasn't done squat.

The five million dollar fine is a big nothing.

2 draft picks is another big nothing

Suspending A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow..........meh!

There were a lot of players involved in the cheating as well, and they are getting a free pass?

The Dodgers Fans, organization, and players got cheated out of a World Series.

Pete got banned for a lot less IMO.
 
Is stealing signs the problem or is it the use of technology to steal the signs?

My suspicions are that lots of players on many teams do their best to steal the signs of the opposing pitcher.
 
Like Boston needs another cheating scandal.....geeeeees! It doesn't say very much for my Red Sox that Cora hasn't been booted out onto Lansdowne street by now.

I would love to see the fans boycott the Astros and Sox.

So far, the commissioner hasn't done squat.

The five million dollar fine is a big nothing.

2 draft picks is another big nothing

Suspending A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow..........meh!

There were a lot of players involved in the cheating as well, and they are getting a free pass?

The Dodgers Fans, organization, and players got cheated out of a World Series.

Pete got banned for a lot less IMO.

$5 mil was the max he could fine them.

The Dodgers are now being named in the 'scandal'...

Cora will be out of a job for a looong time, maybe forever.

Exactly how would discipline the players when many of the players are now with other teams or not even players anymore?

Obviously this came from the top down, the players couldn't have done it without the GM, manager, coaches OK. I find it very hypocritical of the Astros owner indignation and him firing the manager and GM.. Like the owners didn't know?? LOL PLEASE!!!
 
Verlander's soap box whining about players cheating by taking steroids and the 'baseballs being different and it being some sort of conspiracy' rings a little hallow now.
 

Yep, it's amazing how institutions like MLB and many others think everyone is stupid. Of course with the amount of lying coming out of Washington DC these days, and few seem to care, maybe we are.. But anyone who thinks an owner, ANY owners wouldn't be aware of cheating on this scale that was going on for years, after his team was warned what? 2-3 times by the Commish over those years.. Is being naive and stupid.

Of course Crane knew.
 
Heard an interesting theory today on the radio.

The reason there are VERY FEW hit and runs play and squeeze plays nowadays is because it's impossible to 'hide' those signs and every team knows other teams squeeze play signs, so no manager is willing to call those plays anymore.

Kind of makes sense. They use to call pitch outs all the time.. Now if I see 5 pitch outs a year(and I watch and/or listen to at least 100 games a year) that's a lot. It's like there's no need for pitch outs anymore because they all know each others signs.
 
This is from June of last year after the Sox got their brains beat in by the Yanks in London.. Watch the 1st minute or so and pay attention to Cora's winking when he says the biggest free agent acquisition of the off-season was Beltran....lol

In other words everyone knew the Astros were stealing signs, because everyone else was doing it too.

 
This is from June of last year after the Sox got their brains beat in by the Yanks in London.. Watch the 1st minute or so and pay attention to Cora's winking when he says the biggest free agent acquisition of the off-season was Beltran....lol

In other words everyone knew the Astros were stealing signs, because everyone else was doing it too.



I don't think your "in other words" follows.
 
I don't think your "in other words" follows.

Well, I don't think Cora is a stupid man, so the only reason I can think that he said what he said with a wink and a smile was because it was an open 'secret' that everyone else was doing it.

Astros have been caught, the Bosox caught, the Dodgers and Yankees have been 'mentioned'.. Do you honestly think they are the only teams? Add on 4-5 Owners/GM's have said they would happily swap a WS title for these penalties.. Bobby Valentine was on WFAN yesterday saying how the Mets use to position cameras at the 1st and 3rd base coaches to steal signs. And the White Sox had a system of lights that would flash for certain pitches.

Everyone knew the Astros did it and had success doing it, and these other teams knew of their success but didn't do it? That's not the way the world works.

Everyone was doing it.
 
Well, I don't think Cora is a stupid man, so the only reason I can think that he said what he said with a wink and a smile was because it was an open 'secret' that everyone else was doing it.

Astros have been caught, the Bosox caught, the Dodgers and Yankees have been 'mentioned'.. Do you honestly think they are the only teams? Add on 4-5 Owners/GM's have said they would happily swap a WS title for these penalties.. Bobby Valentine was on WFAN yesterday saying how the Mets use to position cameras at the 1st and 3rd base coaches to steal signs. And the White Sox had a system of lights that would flash for certain pitches.

Everyone knew the Astros did it and had success doing it, and these other teams knew of their success but didn't do it? That's not the way the world works.

Everyone was doing it.

That's merely the defense of the guilty.
 
If all teams are guilty, and because this has been going on for 125 years they are, then so be it.

Only the technology has changed..

Stealing signs has never been against the rules. Using technology to steal signs has always been against the rules.
 
Stealing signs has never been against the rules. Using technology to steal signs has always been against the rules.

Some of it was because the technology didn't exist, or wasn't good/small enough.. It's head in the sand thinking to believe as technology improved that the teams wouldn't take advantage.

And the MLB knew it, but like with steroids they didn't care until it blew up. Years ago they should have implemented what football does with the QB helmets. QB gets the plays SECRETLY from the sidelines via his helmet. No reason on Earth MLB couldn't have done something similar with the pitchers and catchers/dugout.

We'll see something like that in 2-3 years, guaranteed.
 
Pay wall..

[h=3]Is it illegal to steal signs in MLB?[/h]
Nope. It’s accepted tradition. Players and coaches try to steal their opponents’ signs, but they’ve traditionally done so mostly by watching the other team and trying to recognize patterns or sequences. Sign-stealing is as old as baseball itself. But stealing signs using camera, binoculars or other objects foreign to the game is illegal. Major League Baseball took steps to curtail sign-stealing in the digital age during the most recent offseason, according to multiple media reports. That followed a series of allegations of teams stealing signs using electronic means. In 2017, MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred had warned teams about electronic sign-stealing, while fining the Boston Red Sox for “sending electronic communications from their video replay room to an athletic trainer in the dugout.”
 
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