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Wrestlemania? Too long? Too over the top?

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Yesterday it was Wrestlemania weekend. Three days of Wrestling shows, Friday it was NXT Takeover (awesome), Saturday it was Hall of fame time (never watch it) and Sunday it was Wrestlemania.

To be honest, Wrestlemania is too long, way too long. When you add to it the pre-show, it is just ridiculously long, way too long.

There were good matches, 4 of the matches didn't even make it to the 5 or so hour Wrestlemania show, including 2 battle royals. One of the shows biggest stars at the moment, Braun Strowman did not even make it to the actual show (just the pre-show).

The first match (Lesnar vs. The beast slayer) was good, the result was satisfactory, nice start to the show.

Styles vs. Orton was OK, not great.

The 4 way battle for the Smackdown title was too much, 4 teams made it way too chaotic.

Shane vs. the Miz was spectacular from the beat down but it did not "set me on fire" in any way shape or form.

The same was true for the fatal 4 way women's tag team title match.

Kofi vs. Daniel Bryan was a great match, really spectacular and entertaining.

Rey Mysterio vs. Samao Joe was terrible, just awful.

Reigns vs McIntyre was a nice result but not a great match

John Cena Doctor of Thuganomics vs. Elias was Great, it was not a match but hell it was good.

Triple H vs. Batista was kind of violent but not kind of interesting.

Corbin vs. Angle was bad, the WWE should have given Angle a final match victory.

Balor vs. Lashley was not that great, it was good but nothing more.

The historic women's match as the end match of Wrestlemania was a great thing, the match was good but it was not enough to save the entire event.



The Takeover match last Friday was just better, it was shorter and more exiting.

It was start to finish top matches. War Raiders vs. Black and Ricochet was awesome. A fitting end to Black and Ricochet's tenure on NXT.

Velveteen Dream vs Riddle was a great match

Pete Dunne against Teutonic terror Walter was a great match too

Fatal 4way for the NXT women's championship was spectacular and fun

Johnny Wrestling vs Adam Cole (and undisputed attitude) in their 2 of 3 falls match was absolutely spectacular. Wall to wall great matches. Just long enough to keep you really glued to the screen.

Has anybody else seen the 2 events and what was your view on the Wrestemania weekend?
 
Corbin vs. Angle was bad, the WWE should have given Angle a final match victory.
I disagree. Whenever you leave a promotion (or retire), you should always go out on your back. Pro wrestling 101.

Has anybody else seen the 2 events and what was your view on the Wrestemania weekend?
I watched Wrestlemania, pre-show and all. It was definitely long, but it did not feel as long as it has in years past. There were definitely places they could cut, but at the end of the day, the WWE tries to give the fans in attendance their money's worth (and it is a lot of money) and they try to get every worker on the card for a Wrestlemania payday.

It is too long, but at least it is for the right reasons.

As far as the matches go, Bryan vs. Kofi was easily the best match of the night, even if they undersold the payoff to the story of the match a little (Kofi should have had a little more offensive momentum going into the pin, to fully payoff the work they had done). The women's main event was sloppy at the start, but morphed into a pretty good match. Unfortunately, the crowd was exhausted at that point. The Cena Thuganomics was the equivalent to a "cheap pop", but I (and many others it seems) enjoyed it nonetheless. After that, nothing else on the card stood out, either for good or bad.

And I barely have time to catch the PPVs right now, so I definitely don't have time to follow the minor leagues (NXT). All in all, though, it was a good night for wrestling.
 
I disagree. Whenever you leave a promotion (or retire), you should always go out on your back. Pro wrestling 101.

I watched Wrestlemania, pre-show and all. It was definitely long, but it did not feel as long as it has in years past. There were definitely places they could cut, but at the end of the day, the WWE tries to give the fans in attendance their money's worth (and it is a lot of money) and they try to get every worker on the card for a Wrestlemania payday.

It is too long, but at least it is for the right reasons.

As far as the matches go, Bryan vs. Kofi was easily the best match of the night, eHven if they undersold the payoff to the story of the match a little (Kofi should have had a little more offensive momentum going into the pin, to fully payoff the work they had done). The women's main event was sloppy at the start, but morphed into a pretty good match. Unfortunately, the crowd was exhausted at that point. The Cena Thuganomics was the equivalent to a "cheap pop", but I (and many others it seems) enjoyed it nonetheless. After that, nothing else on the card stood out, either for good or bad.

And I barely have time to catch the PPVs right now, so I definitely don't have time to follow the minor leagues (NXT). All in all, though, it was a good night for wrestling.

Here are the highlights, not as great as the complete show (and sadly without the women's match from what I saw) but spectacular enough

 
I stopped watching that around 12 years old.
 
I stopped watching that around 12 years old.

As far as I can remember, the last time I watched an entire pro wrestling match was back when Andre the Giant was still around.
 
I stopped watching that around 12 years old.
You stopped watching Wrestlemania 35 at 12 years old? Huh...interesting...
 
You stopped watching Wrestlemania 35 at 12 years old? Huh...interesting...

Was it entertaining? The NXT show? NXT is a bit like the old wrestling. Not so much glitz, glamour and wrestlers who are not as "slick" as on RAW or Smackdown. Sure, some of the NXT stars will come to RAW/Smackdown. War Raiders/Adam Cole and Johnny Wrestling will go to the "big league" in due course. But for now Johnny Wrestling is the big guy in a smaller pond.

Aleister Black and Ricochet will soon be a belt.
 
The fact that people talk about professional wrestling like it is an actual sport where the “competitors” earn their results is hilarious.
 
The fact that people talk about professional wrestling like it is an actual sport where the “competitors” earn their results is hilarious.

It is sport entertainment. Their performances are absolutely equal to many an athlete, even if it is trained and already decided beforehand.
 
The fact that people talk about professional wrestling like it is an actual sport where the “competitors” earn their results is hilarious.
As opposed to the oversaturation of "reality" tv shows which exist? Or talking about who died on The Walking Dead this week?

What I find is hilarious are the ignorant people who think wrestling fans do not understand pro wrestling is scripted, yet will wax on and on about their favorite TV shows and movies, as if it is a completely different art medium.
 
As opposed to the oversaturation of "reality" tv shows which exist? Or talking about who died on The Walking Dead this week?

What I find is hilarious are the ignorant people who think wrestling fans do not understand pro wrestling is scripted, yet will wax on and on about their favorite TV shows and movies, as if it is a completely different art medium.

There are A LOT of adult professional wrestling fans who think that it is not scripted. I’m not saying you, or anyone on here are among them, but there are many of them.
 
There are A LOT of adult professional wrestling fans who think that it is not scripted.
You are making this up. Try moving out of the 1970s and into current day. Most, if not all, wrestling fans who do not suffer from a serious mental disability knows it is scripted. The WWE themselves acknowledge that from time to time.

It is obvious you do not know of which you speak. I suggest you bow out.
 
You are making this up. Try moving out of the 1970s and into current day. Most, if not all, wrestling fans who do not suffer from a serious mental disability knows it is scripted. The WWE themselves acknowledge that from time to time.

It is obvious you do not know of which you speak. I suggest you bow out.

Lol! [emoji23]
 
As opposed to the oversaturation of "reality" tv shows which exist? Or talking about who died on The Walking Dead this week?

What I find is hilarious are the ignorant people who think wrestling fans do not understand pro wrestling is scripted, yet will wax on and on about their favorite TV shows and movies, as if it is a completely different art medium.

And many of these reality shows are also scripted IMHO. And the people in those reality shows are really (overall) talentless hacks or simply chosen for their looks. Nobody will choose Aleister Black for his looks LOL

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He is a success because of these things





Most reality TV show stars are not talented at much of anything. Is it fake? Yes, the results are decided beforehand. Is it spectacular? Often it is. But it is still more exiting than most reality tv shows.
 
And many of these reality shows are also scripted IMHO. And the people in those reality shows are really (overall) talentless hacks or simply chosen for their looks. Nobody will choose Aleister Black for his looks LOL

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He is a success because of these things





Most reality TV show stars are not talented at much of anything. Is it fake? Yes, the results are decided beforehand. Is it spectacular? Often it is. But it is still more exiting than most reality tv shows.


So we’re just comparing it to reality TV shows? That’s a low bar, and I don’t watch those either.

But the people who pretend that pro wrestling is an actual sport are ridiculous. There’s no denying that.
 
To be honest, Wrestlemania is too long, way too long. When you add to it the pre-show, it is just ridiculously long, way too long.

How about way, way, way too long?
I ordered one of the early Wrestlemanias---early 90's maybe---Macho Man vs Hulk Hogan maybe---and the show went on for hours and hours.
My kids, who had begged me to order it, wandered off after a couple of hours.
I continued to watch in order to get my money's worth......hey.....$39.95 doesn't grow on trees, right?
Say what you will about McMahon and WWE(F)...but you definitely get bang for the buck.
Whatever happened to that nice Bobby (The Brain) Heenan?
 
It is sport entertainment. Their performances are absolutely equal to many an athlete, even if it is trained and already decided beforehand.


The strength and athleticism required are undeniable.
Maybe the number of serious injuries incurred by the participants is indicative of the taxing nature of this sport/event.
 
The strength and athleticism required are undeniable.
Maybe the number of serious injuries incurred by the participants is indicative of the taxing nature of this sport/event.

Oh I don’t deny for one second that pro wrestlers are physically taking real hits and getting pounded. They absolutely are. But scripting and choreography take away from its legitimacy, just a little.
 
Oh I don’t deny for one second that pro wrestlers are physically taking real hits and getting pounded. They absolutely are. But scripting and choreography take away from its legitimacy, just a little.

More like a lot, but since it's all in fun and 99.9% of the audience knows this ....who cares? :)
 
Lol! [emoji23]
Is that you bowing out?
So we’re just comparing it to reality TV shows?
We're comparing it to any other scripted television show. Except wrestling does theirs live.

But the people who pretend that pro wrestling is an actual sport are ridiculous. There’s no denying that.
But most adults do not. You are the only one claiming they do, in direct contradiction to all available evidence.

In other words, you're just repeating rhetoric which went out of style 20 years and trying to use it to sound informed, when it just sounds ignorant.


How about way, way, way too long?
I ordered one of the early Wrestlemanias---early 90's maybe---Macho Man vs Hulk Hogan maybe---and the show went on for hours and hours.
Hogan vs. Savage was Wrestlemania 5, 1989.

My kids, who had begged me to order it, wandered off after a couple of hours.
I continued to watch in order to get my money's worth......hey.....$39.95 doesn't grow on trees, right?
You likely didn't pay $40 for Wrestlemania in 1989 (unless you got hosed by your TV provider). More likely it was the mid to late 90s if it was Hogan vs. Savage and was in WCW.

Say what you will about McMahon and WWE(F)...but you definitely get bang for the buck.
100% correct.
Whatever happened to that nice Bobby (The Brain) Heenan?
He died a couple of years ago. He had a good long career as a manager and TV commentator and is in the Hall of Fame.
 
So we’re just comparing it to reality TV shows? That’s a low bar, and I don’t watch those either.

But the people who pretend that pro wrestling is an actual sport are ridiculous. There’s no denying that.

That is why I called it sports entertainment. A lot of athleticism and power in many of these artists. Just look at John Cena.
 
How about way, way, way too long?
I ordered one of the early Wrestlemanias---early 90's maybe---Macho Man vs Hulk Hogan maybe---and the show went on for hours and hours.
My kids, who had begged me to order it, wandered off after a couple of hours.
I continued to watch in order to get my money's worth......hey.....$39.95 doesn't grow on trees, right?
Say what you will about McMahon and WWE(F)...but you definitely get bang for the buck.
Whatever happened to that nice Bobby (The Brain) Heenan?

Isn't it now just 9.99 dollars per month? No more need to pay 40 dollars a pop for a PPV.
 
You forgot Too Fake ?
 
You forgot Too Fake ?
LOL!

Aren't you just the funniest person in the world!? Seriously, the amount of cleverness it takes to drop into a thread about wrestling and call it "fake" is simply beyond the creativity of most people who never watch wrestling. Great post, absolutely stunning in its cleverness. Brilliant!

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