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Interestingly enough, the pundits are actually saying just the opposite. What looked like a dumpster fire may actually turn the Raiders into contenders. The have a competent QB...not great, but not his doing. The have 3 #1 draft picks. They have one of the best rcvrs on all of football. the have the best cap space in the league. This as a departure from...
Quarterback Derek Carr, who finished 19th in passer rating in 2017 (one spot ahead of Blake Bortles), was the second-highest-paid player in the league. (He’s now seventh highest paid.)
Defensive end Khalil Mack, coming off of a 10.5-sack campaign, wanted to be paid more than Carr. on a
Defense that finished 29th in DVOA last season, was tied for the second-fewest forced turnovers, and was tied for 24th in sacks.
The no. 1 running back (Marshawn Lynch), receiver (Michael Crabtree), and tight end (Jared Cook) were all in their 30s.
The only skill player of note, receiver Amari Cooper, led the league in dropped-pass percentage for the second time in three years in 2017.

Gruden did NOT come in and the first year turn them into contenders. They didnt have the talent. What he did was laid a foundation for a contender, just as the Browns did, and just as he did when he took over Tampa Bay many moons ago.


There was a time I was a Gruden fan, but at this point the bloom is off the rose. There are things that are indisputable:

1) Gruden is really bad at assessing draft talent. He was bad at Tampa (when he was also a combo GM-Coach-OFF. Coor) and he was bad in his 10 years of broadcasting work. EVERY QB he thinks is a winner, and showers praise on total flops (e.g. Connor Cooke).

2) Gruden is untalented at developing players. No wonder he likes vets, apparently he can't fix or scheme around flaws. Cooper has had a rebirth, not under Gruden as expected, but under decent coaching and scheming at Dallas.

3) At this point, Gruden (et. al.) have screwed up what was a 10th pick last year, opting for a 15th pick and a horrible failure at OT. Nothing but question marks for all his other picks (but one).

4) He doesn't have a foundation, he has fire brigade. Last year, after gutting the team, his team had the oldest average age in the league. His younger of real talent (Mack and Cooper) are gone. Instead of restoring an offensive line that two seasons before was impermeable, he prematurely demoted Penn and no longer has anyone other than the hyper expensive Trent Brown.

5) Ya Mack wanted the highest pay - but its not like the Raiders had to give him that. He would have returned for at least 8 games, and they could have franchise tagged him for two more years (and likely got two clean first round picks as compensation if he went elsewhere).
 
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6) You can't bitch about building a foundation in defense, and then whine about letting the best youngish defensive end in football go. YOU HAD a foundation. And not one day afterward, Gruden is bemoaning how bad the Raiders pass rush is (DUH) and Davis is mumbling something about how "we may look back and regret it". Besides the reason the Raider's defense stunk before and after Mack and Irvin is not because they were far better than their replacements - a too obvious stupidity entertained by Gruden apologists.

7) Lynch is not building for the future, if he plays another year that will be it. Crabtree was not the future. Jordy Nelson is not the future. Bryant should never have been thought of as the future. Jared Cooke is good for maybe one or two more years - if he returns. The offensive line is not of the future (unless you like losing).

The bottom line is this: you can't build or have a super-bowl bound team with a bunch of aging free agents and lousy draft choices. Everyone thought Gruden was going to keep the proven talent of just 2 seasons prior, selectively replace, and build through the draft. Instead, he tried burning the house down with trades of quality while making a massive free agency replacement - which was a formula for greater failure than the prior year. He's doubling down this year, with a few high profile signings of older players, building on the non-future... ironically NOW paying older players the same high priced salaries they were trying to avoid last year...for individuals with lower returns in the long run.

Yes, the raiders should be a little better with a good wide receiver or two, and a good OT. On the other hand, the Off line is still bad and the defense pass rush is worse than ever. If Maycock can't do better than Gruden, and make better choices stick, the late picks of the first round will be meaningless. And that means getting defensive ends, linebackers, and other decent corner, and safeties that can tackle Tight Ends - not disappointments like Karl Joseph.
 
There was a time I was a Gruden fan, but at this point the bloom is off the rose. There are things that are indisputable:

1) Gruden is really bad at assessing draft talent. He was bad at Tampa (when he was also a combo GM-Coach-OFF. Coor) and he was bad in his 10 years of broadcasting work. EVERY QB he thinks is a winner, and showers praise on total flops (e.g. Connor Cooke).

2) Gruden is untalented at developing players. No wonder he likes vets, apparently he can't fix or scheme around flaws. Cooper has had a rebirth, not under Gruden as expected, but under decent coaching and scheming at Dallas.

3) At this point, Gruden (et. al.) have screwed up what was a 10th pick last year, opting for a 15th pick and a horrible failure at OT. Nothing but question marks for all his other picks (but one).

4) He doesn't have a foundation, he has fire brigade. Last year, after gutting the team, his team had the oldest average age in the league. His younger of real talent (Mack and Cooper) are gone. Instead of restoring an offensive line that two seasons before was impermeable, he prematurely demoted Penn and no longer has anyone other than the hyper expensive Trent Brown.

5) Ya Mack wanted the highest pay - but its not like the Raiders had to give him that. He would have returned for at least 8 games, and they could have franchise tagged him for two more years (and likely got two clean first round picks as compensation if he went elsewhere).
We'll see. There is no way to assess his plan after last year. Usually it takes 2-3 years for a new coach and GM to have their impact felt. If we are having this conversation at the end of the 2020 season...you will be spot on.
 
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6) You can't bitch about building a foundation in defense, and then whine about letting the best youngish defensive end in football go. YOU HAD a foundation. And not one day afterward, Gruden is bemoaning how bad the Raiders pass rush is (DUH) and Davis is mumbling something about how "we may look back and regret it". Besides the reason the Raider's defense stunk before and after Mack and Irvin is not because they were far better than their replacements - a too obvious stupidity entertained by Gruden apologists.

7) Lynch is not building for the future, if he plays another year that will be it. Crabtree was not the future. Jordy Nelson is not the future. Bryant should never have been thought of as the future. Jared Cooke is good for maybe one or two more years - if he returns. The offensive line is not of the future (unless you like losing).

The bottom line is this: you can't build or have a super-bowl bound team with a bunch of aging free agents and lousy draft choices. Everyone thought Gruden was going to keep the proven talent of just 2 seasons prior, selectively replace, and build through the draft. Instead, he tried burning the house down with trades of quality while making a massive free agency replacement - which was a formula for greater failure than the prior year. He's doubling down this year, with a few high profile signings of older players, building on the non-future... ironically NOW paying older players the same high priced salaries they were trying to avoid last year...for individuals with lower returns in the long run.

Yes, the raiders should be a little better with a good wide receiver or two, and a good OT. On the other hand, the Off line is still bad and the defense pass rush is worse than ever. If Maycock can't do better than Gruden, and make better choices stick, the late picks of the first round will be meaningless. And that means getting defensive ends, linebackers, and other decent corner, and safeties that can tackle Tight Ends - not disappointments like Karl Joseph.
I have to stress...your BEST player wanted to be the highest paid player on the team...and anchored a defense that finished 29th in DVOA last season, was tied for the second-fewest forced turnovers, and was tied for 24th in sacks
 
Sue? LOL What's he going to sue them for? He is being criminally prosecuted in a case with video evidence. I hope youre not a lawyer.


Thanks for admitting you have no idea what youre talking about.
Im pretty sure you cant give every other slob that gets arrested for a handjob a fine and then try to put a well known figure in prison. I'd bet money that that wouldnt fly.

And as for your QBs...when was the last time your team even won a playoff game? And who was the QB?
 
Sue? LOL What's he going to sue them for? He is being criminally prosecuted in a case with video evidence. I hope youre not a lawyer.


Thanks for admitting you have no idea what youre talking about.

Didn't you say if the Patriots won another SB you would move to Mexico?
 
Didn't you say if the Patriots won another SB you would move to Mexico?

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I have to stress...your BEST player wanted to be the highest paid player on the team...and anchored a defense that finished 29th in DVOA last season, was tied for the second-fewest forced turnovers, and was tied for 24th in sacks

And I have to stress, your not making any coherent sense. I've heard your Mantra before which is not a point, but an observation posing as an implied excuse - an excuse that is opaque. What in the world do you and John Gruden think you are saying?

1) The raiders couldn't afford their own draft pick, because he was so good that it would them to much? Yet they could afford lavish spending on an aging WR and OT just 12 months later?

2) That the raiders should build the team for the future, but you don't want players that are too young and competent as its foundation???

3) That the raiders never heard of franchise tagging, making Mack less costly, and providing an opportunity for an ACTUAL two first round pick as compensation if he goes elsewhere?

4) That the raiders shouldn't want to keep or add excellent players to build a better defense - cause why, they know John Gruden is a draft idiot and it doesn't matter who you have on defense it will always be unbearably bad?

5) Ya, they were terrible last year. Worse than the previous year without Mack. But why you are parroting Gruden excuses, the DVOA tells you EXACTLY the impact of Mack (and Irvin).

In 2017 the raiders were ranked 29th in overall defense, and 30th in passing defense.
In 2018 the raiders were ranked 30th in overall defense, and 32nd in passing defense.

YET, when broken down there is a vast difference between the causes for the poor ranking.

The ranking for efficiency in defensive coverage by receiver is as follows

(1st Rcvr, 2nd Rcvr, 3rd Rcvr, TE, and RB...respectively).

2017: 23, 29, 16, 27, 16

2018: 02, 13, 30, 32, 20

In other words, 2017 the corners stunk. But in 2018 Worley and Conley did a far better job, so much so they ranked second in the NFL in covering the primary receiver. So then, why was the pass defense still so bad?

BECAUSE unlike 2017 there was NO pass rush. NONE. QBs had all sorts of time to check down to third rcvrs. In 2017 the defensive had 31 sacks, in 2018 it had 10 sacks. Mack alone had more sacks in 2017 than the entire 2018 team combined.


So Gruden dumped Mack, his defensive coordinator had no fit for Irvin, and NONE of the benefit of vastly improved corner play mattered. It didn't even matter when they added Hurst, who looks promising, to the DL. So much for "rebuilding" a foundation while tearing out what had just been built.

Gruden may have a little flash and bump up next year, but there isn't any doubt that with a 10 year contract he will be a disaster.
 
And I have to stress, your not making any coherent sense. I've heard your Mantra before which is not a point, but an observation posing as an implied excuse - an excuse that is opaque. What in the world do you and John Gruden think you are saying?

1) The raiders couldn't afford their own draft pick, because he was so good that it would them to much? Yet they could afford lavish spending on an aging WR and OT just 12 months later?

2) That the raiders should build the team for the future, but you don't want players that are too young and competent as its foundation???

3) That the raiders never heard of franchise tagging, making Mack less costly, and providing an opportunity for an ACTUAL two first round pick as compensation if he goes elsewhere?

4) That the raiders shouldn't want to keep or add excellent players to build a better defense - cause why, they know John Gruden is a draft idiot and it doesn't matter who you have on defense it will always be unbearably bad?

5) Ya, they were terrible last year. Worse than the previous year without Mack. But why you are parroting Gruden excuses, the DVOA tells you EXACTLY the impact of Mack (and Irvin).

In 2017 the raiders were ranked 29th in overall defense, and 30th in passing defense.
In 2018 the raiders were ranked 30th in overall defense, and 32nd in passing defense.

YET, when broken down there is a vast difference between the causes for the poor ranking.

The ranking for efficiency in defensive coverage by receiver is as follows

(1st Rcvr, 2nd Rcvr, 3rd Rcvr, TE, and RB...respectively).

2017: 23, 29, 16, 27, 16

2018: 02, 13, 30, 32, 20

In other words, 2017 the corners stunk. But in 2018 Worley and Conley did a far better job, so much so they ranked second in the NFL in covering the primary receiver. So then, why was the pass defense still so bad?

BECAUSE unlike 2017 there was NO pass rush. NONE. QBs had all sorts of time to check down to third rcvrs. In 2017 the defensive had 31 sacks, in 2018 it had 10 sacks. Mack alone had more sacks in 2017 than the entire 2018 team combined.


So Gruden dumped Mack, his defensive coordinator had no fit for Irvin, and NONE of the benefit of vastly improved corner play mattered. It didn't even matter when they added Hurst, who looks promising, to the DL. So much for "rebuilding" a foundation while tearing out what had just been built.

Gruden may have a little flash and bump up next year, but there isn't any doubt that with a 10 year contract he will be a disaster.
What I am saying is clear. Their needs were far greater than a stud defensive front line player that demanded top money but couldnt manage to break the top 10 last year in any defensive categories. The jettisoned his paycheck and have positioned themselves to rebuild with strong assets. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesnt. We'll see. One thing I know for CERTAIN. No one bothered calling your ass up to get your advice on any of this.

Your weird little angry butt-hurt routine doesnt make much sense.
 
What I am saying is clear. Their needs were far greater than a stud defensive front line player that demanded top money but couldnt manage to break the top 10 last year in any defensive categories. The jettisoned his paycheck and have positioned themselves to rebuild with strong assets. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesnt. We'll see. One thing I know for CERTAIN. No one bothered calling your ass up to get your advice on any of this.

Your weird little angry butt-hurt routine doesnt make much sense.
That was actually pretty good.

IMO, if a team wants to know if Carr is worth a damn, you give him A. Brown, arguably the best active receiver in the league, by far, and see what happens. For at least two years, this should work out well for the Raiders.
 
That was actually pretty good.

IMO, if a team wants to know if Carr is worth a damn, you give him A. Brown, arguably the best active receiver in the league, by far, and see what happens. For at least two years, this should work out well for the Raiders.
Or it could be a bust...but you are right...we should know within the next 2 years if this was all worth it. The one thing you can say for certain about the Raiders franchise pre Gruden...there literally was nowhere to go but up.
 
What I am saying is clear. Their needs were far greater than a stud defensive front line player that demanded top money but couldnt manage to break the top 10 last year in any defensive categories. The jettisoned his paycheck and have positioned themselves to rebuild with strong assets. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesnt. We'll see. One thing I know for CERTAIN. No one bothered calling your ass up to get your advice on any of this.

Your weird little angry butt-hurt routine doesnt make much sense.

My "routine" is pin people down and make them explain themselves when their objection is unclear - complaining that the raiders, near the defensive bottom in 2017, because they didn't get much worse in 2018 without Mack (and Irvin) says ZERO about why you think Gruden knows what he is doing.

There isn't any doubt that he jettisoned a young and great pass rusher who has propelled Chicago's defense to number one, in order to recruit a great and expensive 31 year old recvr. To that end, his defense which could have been so much better in 2018 regressed and has the worst pass rush in the NFL, for an offensive player who is too old to plan to build around. (He might hang on in the slot...maybe).

And in the process, Gruden and Davis shattered the team morale. As far as I am concerned, its appropriate that the Raiders are heading to Vegas - where else would a fickle and unserious ownership go?

But then, it can't get too much worse than 4-12, can it?
 
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That was actually pretty good.

IMO, if a team wants to know if Carr is worth a damn, you give him A. Brown, arguably the best active receiver in the league, by far, and see what happens. For at least two years, this should work out well for the Raiders.

Carr is only worth a damn if you give him protection. He's not shifty nor a scrambler (although he could be). AND THAT is going to take more than AB. In 2016 they had an OL that was top notch, rarely letting anyone touch the QB. Carr was great, both Cooper and Crabtree flourished. But his OL was problematical in 2017, and horrible in 2018 (and hence Carrs decline). Trent Brown is only one guy, and if Penn is not holding down the other OT spot then chances are Carr will do better but he won't prosper.

I'm thinking an 8-8 team next year. Carr is not Gannon, and 2nd recvr Williams is not Tim Brown. But you never know...
 
Carr is only worth a damn if you give him protection. He's not shifty nor a scrambler (although he could be). AND THAT is going to take more than AB. In 2016 they had an OL that was top notch, rarely letting anyone touch the QB. Carr was great, both Cooper and Crabtree flourished. But his OL was problematical in 2017, and horrible in 2018 (and hence Carrs decline). Trent Brown is only one guy, and if Penn is not holding down the other OT spot then chances are Carr will do better but he won't prosper.

I'm thinking an 8-8 team next year. Carr is not Gannon, and 2nd recvr Williams is not Tim Brown. But you never know...

They have Mike Mayock as the GM now. If the A.B. trade is any indicator, he is off to a rocking start.

Trent Brown is definitely overpaid but we saw what he could do on a good team. If he plays well and Kolton Miller can transition to RT, they might have something. The key will be the draft. They have 3 first round picks and Mayock talks a good game.

I have much more confidence in the Raiders compared to the Giants who appears like the worst team in the NFC... maybe the NFL

The Giants:

Lost Landon Collins for nothing. Could have easily traded him during the season or even franchised him.

Gave OBJ a lot of guarenteed money (they already paid him) to only trade him after 1 year.

Are still paying Eli Manning $17 million a year despite the fact he is not even a starting NFL caliber QB...

They will probably draft Dwayne Haskins who is a. raw, b. slow and looks out of shape c.played under Urban Meyer who makes QB look much better than they actually are.....He will be a bust.

I also hear the Giants are interested in drafting D. K. Metcalf with their second first round pick. D. K. Metcalf was not productive in college and is being hyped because he ran a good 40-time and built like a rock.... the problem is he can't play.
 
Sue? LOL What's he going to sue them for? He is being criminally prosecuted in a case with video evidence. I hope youre not a lawyer.


Thanks for admitting you have no idea what youre talking about.

Robert Kraft has been cleared of all HL charges. He will not go to jail. This witch hunt is ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. This is like the FBI coming with guns into the house of that famous actress for helping her kid get into college. Wow. This is not Cuba or Venezuela. I hear people advocating they lock these parents up for life?

You want people to go to jail over consensual sex? Wow.
 
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My "routine" is pin people down and make them explain themselves when their objection is unclear - complaining that the raiders, near the defensive bottom in 2017, because they didn't get much worse in 2018 without Mack (and Irvin) says ZERO about why you think Gruden knows what he is doing.

There isn't any doubt that he jettisoned a young and great pass rusher who has propelled Chicago's defense to number one, in order to recruit a great and expensive 31 year old recvr. To that end, his defense which could have been so much better in 2018 regressed and has the worst pass rush in the NFL, for an offensive player who is too old to plan to build around. (He might hang on in the slot...maybe).

And in the process, Gruden and Davis shattered the team morale. As far as I am concerned, its appropriate that the Raiders are heading to Vegas - where else would a fickle and unserious ownership go?

But then, it can't get too much worse than 4-12, can it?
:lamo

"pin people down"

You are whats wrong with even the ****ing football forums on this site.
 
A loud shrieking voice of an Ohio teen running in the middle of the street prompted one woman to call the police, but when officers arrived on the scene they didn’t exactly find a crime -- though Giants fans may disagree.

The young man told responding Shaker Heights police officers he was yelling because the Cleveland Browns acquired star wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. from the New York Giants in a trade for Jabrill Peppers and draft picks, according to FOX8 Cleveland.

“Boom. We got OBJ. I was so excited. I couldn’t help myself. I was jumping all around my house because I couldn’t help myself; I was so excited. My brother told me to stop but I couldn’t because I was so excited. Couldn’t nothing stop me. So, I had to rejoice outside,” the 17-year-old, identified by FOX8 Cleveland as Robert Stewart, told the station.

The officers asked Stewart why he was screaming so loud and when he told them they, too, celebrated, Stewart said.

“They were like, 'Oh! We got OBJ!' We dapped it up. Everything was all cool. They went about their day,” he told the station.
Teen'''s elation over Odell Beckham Jr. trade to Cleveland Browns draws police response | Fox News
OBJ's trade is positive news in at least one community ... despite police were called in response to the noisey elation
 
Robert Kraft has been cleared of all HL charges. He will not go to jail. This witch hunt is ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. This is like the FBI coming with guns into the house of that famous actress for helping her kid get into college. Wow. This is not Cuba or Venezuela. I hear people advocating they lock these parents up for life?

You want people to go to jail over consensual sex? Wow.

That old pervert Kraft was sexually enslaving those women. You want to let human traffickers go? Wow.
 
Eli quit on the Giants a long time ago. IMO they should demand him to take a pay cut.

Eli the Brady killer?

Winning Superbowls, when you are expected to lose, pays. Ask that Foles dude.
 
They have Mike Mayock as the GM now. If the A.B. trade is any indicator, he is off to a rocking start.

Trent Brown is definitely overpaid but we saw what he could do on a good team. If he plays well and Kolton Miller can transition to RT, they might have something. The key will be the draft. They have 3 first round picks and Mayock talks a good game.

I have much more confidence in the Raiders compared to the Giants who appears like the worst team in the NFC... maybe the NFL

The Giants:

Lost Landon Collins for nothing. Could have easily traded him during the season or even franchised him.

Gave OBJ a lot of guarenteed money (they already paid him) to only trade him after 1 year.

Are still paying Eli Manning $17 million a year despite the fact he is not even a starting NFL caliber QB...

They will probably draft Dwayne Haskins who is a. raw, b. slow and looks out of shape c.played under Urban Meyer who makes QB look much better than they actually are.....He will be a bust.

I also hear the Giants are interested in drafting D. K. Metcalf with their second first round pick. D. K. Metcalf was not productive in college and is being hyped because he ran a good 40-time and built like a rock.... the problem is he can't play.

I'll admit I am down on the Raiders because for nearly 50 years they had been my team. And starting in the late 1980s I've saw the decline, sometimes a fiasco, caused entirely by Al Davis and his character flaws. I could see why he and Stabler had a falling out, but then I saw his horrible treatment and torment of Marcus Allen, his icy treatment of Tim Brown, etc.

And Marc Davis is even a bigger question mark than his father, and Gruden has his own issues.

While I gave up on the clown act in Oakland, YOU ARE CORRECT, Maycock may be the guy to turn this franchise around. I'd rather see Mack still here and at number 4 the raiders be drafting a WR for the future (and the free agent money go back into an OL) but that's water under the bridge.

The raiders are in desperate need for at least one good pass rushing end - every team needs AT LEAST one and without any the raiders defense will be toast. The 4th pick might give that - someone who even as a Rookie will dominate (although its unrealistic to hope for someone as good as Mack in his rookie season). It will be up to Maycock to be persuasive, and Gruden to be big enough to admit he is not the guru everyone thinks he is.

In any event a 8-8 or 9-6 season is plausible. But AB and TBrown will only be pivotal players for a few years more, so unless they use their draft picks wisely to replace them and fill all the other old and new holes, nothing lasting will be accomplished.

I don't follow the Giants but there is one thing clear to me: Eli Manning needs to retire. He has never been a consistent QB from season to season, and the mojo he once had seems gone. His run is OVER.
 
The Chiefs road to a SB may have hit a major speed bump:

The Kansas City Chiefs have confirmed to The Star that they are aware of a law enforcement investigation involving wide receiver Tyreek Hill.

The Star has obtained a police report from the Overland Park Police Department about a battery incident that lists a juvenile as the victim. Hill’s fiancee, Crystal Espinal, is listed under “others involved.”

The report is dated Thursday but it’s unclear when the alleged incident took place.

“The club is aware of the investigation involving Tyreek Hill,” the Chiefs said in a statement to The Star. “We’re in the process of gathering information and have been in contact with the league and local authorities. We’ll have no further comment at this time.”

Chiefs receiver Tyreek Hill under investigation for battery | The Kansas City Star
 
That patriots fan should have thrown more stuff at him.

My parents beat me up when I was a kid. They believed in the saying spare the rod and spoil the child. It never got to the point of a broken limb or physical torture.
 
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