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Tour De France: The Cheating Continues

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2018 Tour de France -- Chris Froome and team Sky booed at race presentation

The 2018 Tour de France teams' launch was overshadowed by the booing and jeering at Chris Froome and Team Sky as they were introduced at a launch event Thursday evening.


Froome has been cleared to race the Tour after cycling's governing body, the UCI, closed an anti-doping case against him.


The four-time Tour de France winner tested positive for excessive levels of salbutamol during last year's Vuelta a Espana but the World Anti-Doping Agency concluded Froome's results did not constitute an adverse analytical finding.

So they ban Lance Armstrong for life but clear another guy who tested positive in another race. The Tour De France ought to be gotten rid of-its pure farce.
 
The Tour wanted to ban him but could not justify it as he was cleared by the anti doping agency....just like Lance.

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So what you are saying is that after all these years of cheating and all these years of high powered efforts to clean up the mess the systems are still dysfunctional.....

Isn't that just so awesome!
 
The Tour wanted to ban him but could not justify it as he was cleared by the anti doping agency....just like Lance.

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Lance was cleared? Better call his press agent.
 
Don't we as sport fans deserve to see the absolute best performance the human body with modern science and chemicals can achieve? I say let everyone juice up and improve the viewing quality for all of us.
 
So what you are saying is that after all these years of cheating and all these years of high powered efforts to clean up the mess the systems are still dysfunctional.....

Isn't that just so awesome!
Yes and no. In the old days we would not even have known about it....

Point is the Tour can ban someone without cause... they would be sued.

Fun fact... Froome was banned because the doping case was still pending, but the case was suddenly over and the ban was lifted.

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Don't we as sport fans deserve to see the absolute best performance the human body with modern science and chemicals can achieve? I say let everyone juice up and improve the viewing quality for all of us.

LOL! Now that's some real naked assed libertarianism!
 
2018 Tour de France -- Chris Froome and team Sky booed at race presentation



So they ban Lance Armstrong for life but clear another guy who tested positive in another race. The Tour De France ought to be gotten rid of-its pure farce.

They have their own problems coming around 24/7 at this point. lance Armstrong was his own worst enemy near the time of his banning, but I agree. Froome should have been kicked from the entire function, for an expansive time, if not banned outright.

The large problem is how many cases we are going to see crop up throughout the coming years and just how lop sided are their treatments going to be for the exact same offence.
 
Don't we as sport fans deserve to see the absolute best performance the human body with modern science and chemicals can achieve? I say let everyone juice up and improve the viewing quality for all of us.

Im fine with that, provided they lift the ban on Lance and reinstate his wins since they all cheated anyway.
 
Im fine with that, provided they lift the ban on Lance and reinstate his wins since they all cheated anyway.

Reminds me of what Bill Burr said: "Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy!"
 
Im fine with that, provided they lift the ban on Lance and reinstate his wins since they all cheated anyway.

Reminds me of what Bill Burr said: "Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy!"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't Lance's testosterone levels within the limits of a normal, two-balled human being? My understanding was he only used roids to get up to that normal level, and if that's the case I personally don't see the problem considering his situation.
 
It's not 1998 anymore. You don't have teams bankrolling the doping. You don't have the entire peloton going on strike when dopers get busted. You don't have fans excusing dopers anymore.

Pro cyclists get tested all the time, in and out of competition. The anti-doping agencies use now use a year-round biological profile, which helps identify cheating. The testing agencies have also convinced drug manufacturers to work with them on tests. It's not a perfect system, but pro cycling is significantly cleaner than it was in the past.

As to Froome: The test in question pretty much sucks, and has caused problems in the past. Riders who have the proper medical exemptions are allowed to use salbutamol, which is an asthma medication that in and of itself offers no performance benefit. Studies have shown that these types of asthma medications don't enhance performance, and the primary concern over salbutamol is its potential use as a masking agent (i.e. hiding other drugs). If you take too much of it during competition, then you can produce an adverse finding in the test. However, if your kidneys don't metabolize a dose properly, then boom you've "failed" the test. (That appears to be the case with Froome, and only on 1 test out of 20 just from one specific multi-day race.)

I have no tolerance for dopers in sport. However, at this time the evidence against Froome is insufficient. It's so thin that it shouldn't have even been released to the public.

I'm convinced that people just don't like Froome, and will latch onto anything to take him down. It doesn't help that Skye is usually much stronger and more disciplined than the other teams, which often makes the races less exciting.
 
Froome isn't American, however, so it's OK.

I was under the impression that pretty much everyone is cheating in road biking.
You might be confusing cycling with football. Or soccer. Or track & field. Or baseball. Or... ;)

Cycling is fairly clean these days. Unlike most sports, cycling relies on commercial sponsors whose names are right on the uniform, and riders getting busted for doping looks a lot worse for a sponsor than losing a race. Ironically, the attempts to clean up the sport is what resulted in a bad reputation, and the press is more than happy to hype anything to perpetuate that impression.
 
It's not 1998 anymore. You don't have teams bankrolling the doping. You don't have the entire peloton going on strike when dopers get busted. You don't have fans excusing dopers anymore.
And yet here you are making all sorts of excuses for Froome's doping.

Cycling is fairly clean these days.

:lamo
 
And yet here you are making all sorts of excuses for Froome's doping.
Yeah, except for the whole "explanation of how he didn't dope" thing, and how the evidence was so thin that it never should have been made public in the first place, you're totally on point there :roll:
 
Don't we as sport fans deserve to see the absolute best performance the human body with modern science and chemicals can achieve? I say let everyone juice up and improve the viewing quality for all of us.

This may be where it ends up. Either way it ends up being a physical battle; unless of course the mechanical dopers start spoiling the party.
 
Yeah, except for the whole "explanation of how he didn't dope" thing, and how the evidence was so thin that it never should have been made public in the first place, you're totally on point there :roll:

Your "explanations" are just excuses- Froome tested positive since he was twice over the limit and the only reason the anti-doping agency cleared him was because he paid a whole bunch of experts to downplay the significance of it. You can spin that all you want but yeah, you've made excuses for a doper.
 
Your "explanations" are just excuses- Froome tested positive since he was twice over the limit and the only reason the anti-doping agency cleared him was because he paid a whole bunch of experts to downplay the significance of it. You can spin that all you want but yeah, you've made excuses for a doper.
Well, as long as you're being fair-minded about it. :roll:

I.e. get real. He wasn't busted at the border with vials of EPO; they didn't find markers of synthetic testosterone in his blood; he didn't wind up in the hospital with kidney failure from a failed autologous blood transfusion; no one has said under oath that Froome uses PEDs. On one out of dozens of tests he's taken over the years, the amount was too high. The UCI has a protocol to evaluate exactly these types of situations, and part of that includes giving the rider the opportunity to explain. WADA doesn't even require a TUE any more for salbutamol.

By the way, one of the voices criticizing the salbutamol test was... the developer of the salbutamol test. He publicly stated that the test was flawed, was worried that it was hurting athletes' careers, and no he wasn't hired by Sky or Froome to say so. (Scientist whose studies were the basis for salbutamol rules says the rules are flawed - Sports Integrity Initiative)

Meanwhile, WADA was already looking at studies which show that the test can produce false positives, and revised its standards just a few months ago -- and under the new standards, Froome would not have had a positive.

Last but not least, plenty of accused athletes have "paid a whole bunch of experts" to no avail. Why didn't that work for Petacchi, Contador, Landis, Vino, Basso, Di Luca, Valverde and so many other top riders?

If you want to prove Froome doped, you need better evidence.
 
If you want to prove Froome doped, you need better evidence.

In this planet, when a rider tests positive on a drug test, its evidence. Duh.
 
Well, as long as you're being fair-minded about it. :roll:

I.e. get real. He wasn't busted at the border with vials of EPO; they didn't find markers of synthetic testosterone in his blood; he didn't wind up in the hospital with kidney failure from a failed autologous blood transfusion; no one has said under oath that Froome uses PEDs. On one out of dozens of tests he's taken over the years, the amount was too high. The UCI has a protocol to evaluate exactly these types of situations, and part of that includes giving the rider the opportunity to explain. WADA doesn't even require a TUE any more for salbutamol.

By the way, one of the voices criticizing the salbutamol test was... the developer of the salbutamol test. He publicly stated that the test was flawed, was worried that it was hurting athletes' careers, and no he wasn't hired by Sky or Froome to say so. (Scientist whose studies were the basis for salbutamol rules says the rules are flawed - Sports Integrity Initiative)

Meanwhile, WADA was already looking at studies which show that the test can produce false positives, and revised its standards just a few months ago -- and under the new standards, Froome would not have had a positive.

Last but not least, plenty of accused athletes have "paid a whole bunch of experts" to no avail. Why didn't that work for Petacchi, Contador, Landis, Vino, Basso, Di Luca, Valverde and so many other top riders?

If you want to prove Froome doped, you need better evidence.
Easy... he takes astma medicine last I looked... amazing how many top sports people have astma or heart disease...

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