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Espn hit piece on the Patriots

calamity said:
Talk radio was all in on this article today. I had to drive a few hours earlier and heard an earful.

Average take: All is not well in PatsLand.

Brady's Side: Yanking his personal trainer off the sideline in the 18th year of his career was probably a bad move by Bill. I agree.

Bill's side: Brady and Kraft conspiring to push Jimmy G out of town was not good for the Pats long term. Bill and I agree.

Kraft's side: My team---STFU. Yeah. I agree.
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Belichick made the right call on that one
the trainer pissed in his own cornflakes by refusing to treat Garoppolo for two weeks, until senior team management had to intervene
coach cannot condone such bias against the second stringer, no matter how much brady resented Garoppolo's presence. would send a terrible signal to the team
that brady, the trainer's partner, would find such mistreatment of his back-up acceptable, says something about brady's character
 
justabubba said:
Belichick made the right call on that one
the trainer pissed in his own cornflakes by refusing to treat Garoppolo for two weeks, until senior team management had to intervene
coach cannot condone such bias against the second stringer, no matter how much brady resented Garoppolo's presence. would send a terrible signal to the team
that brady, the trainer's partner, would find such mistreatment of his back-up acceptable, says something about brady's character
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Clearly not the trainer's decision. lol

So, what we have is a power struggle between Tom and Bill. Amazing they can win under those circumstances.
 
calamity said:
Clearly not the trainer's decision. lol

So, what we have is a power struggle between Tom and Bill. Amazing they can win under those circumstances.
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indirectly, his exile was due to the decision of the trainer/partner to refuse to treat Garoppolo

the trainer/partner of brady, refused to treat Garoppolo for two weeks. the back-up remained untreated by that trainer until the front office of the patriots made a call expressing the expectation that he be treated

no way could the coach tolerate such disparate (mis)treatment and placed the trainer/partner of brady in exile



and you missed a great second half of the titans/chiefs game
 
Bucky said:
I didnt realize espn has followed the lead of cnn and msnbc and has a hit piece this morning on the Patriots. This is fake news.

Pure sensationalist media reporting. You take a bunch of opinions and create a fake story....

The nfl playoffs are tomorrow and the headline is a team on its bye weak? Espn is not reporting news.
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AM i reading this right?

You post a big whine feast with no link for reference and in the whole thing you cry about fake news but yet don't post anything that supports your claims LMAO
AWESOME!!!:lamo
 
justabubba said:
indirectly, his exile was due to the decision of the trainer/partner to refuse to treat Garoppolo

the trainer/partner of brady, refused to treat Garoppolo for two weeks. the back-up remained untreated by that trainer until the front office of the patriots made a call expressing the expectation that he be treated

no way could the coach tolerate such disparate (mis)treatment and placed the trainer/partner of brady in exile



and you missed a great second half of the titans/chiefs game
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I watched the last 2 minutes. That was enough to understand why the Chiefs lost. :lol:
 
rocket88 said:
That's what ESPN does is give opinions. I bet before the games, they'll have a bunch of talking heads give opinions about who is going to win.

The beginning of the end is here. The coordinators are about to become head coaches and next season Brady will be 41, which is when Favre retired. The end comes for all teams eventually, and then teams pick up what's left and try to get there again.
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I do not see the end for Brady at 41, he will play and play well next season as well, as long as his coach remains in place because he is the mastermind of the team and Brady is his biggest tool in his tool chest for him to work with.
 
Peter King said:
I do not see the end for Brady at 41, he will play and play well next season as well, as long as his coach remains in place because he is the mastermind of the team and Brady is his biggest tool in his tool chest for him to work with.
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I doubt it. Football is pretty brutal. Brady can imagine his TB12 is some magical fountain of youth all he wants, but he is not very far away from being done.
 
AGENT J said:
ok thanks! we have a link. can you tell me what parts im about to read that are fake and provided the evidence that makes it fake?

Also the link is from the post???? and it seems like its a follow up story . . is this what the OP is talking about? and whats the original story?
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Kraft is denying the whole thing, of course. He insists there was no half-day long meeting and that he didn't influence the JG trade decision in any way.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Kraft is denying the whole thing, of course. He insists there was no half-day long meeting and that he didn't influence the JG trade decision in any way.
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Well so far from what I read that last part doesnt even make logic sense in anyway . . . .

So far this story definitively has legs and i see nothing "fake" about it . . it might not be 100% accurate but i havent seen any reason to call it fake yet
 
ESPN just wants to create controversy and chose the Patriots to do it. In any organization there is going to be staffers that want to keep a guy and staffers that wanted to trade the guy. Brady yelling at his OC was nothing new, almost every WR RB QB has yelled at their OC, its passion and testosterone that overcomes there repects senses. ESPN has been ****ty for a half a decade now and their continuation of doing storys like this only contributes to their decline. I just want to watch sports I dont want to hear their opinions.
 
calamity said:
Clearly not the trainer's decision. lol

So, what we have is a power struggle between Tom and Bill. Amazing they can win under those circumstances.
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It was worse in Chicago with Michael Jordan/Phil Jackson/Jerry Krause/Jerry Reinsdorf
 
Bucky said:
It was worse in Chicago with Michael Jordan/Phil Jackson/Jerry Krause/Jerry Reinsdorf
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Not really because Phil and Mike were on the same page, and Crums made the perfect enemy for the whole team to hate.
 
calamity said:
Not really because Phil and Mike were on the same page, and Crums made the perfect enemy for the whole team to hate.
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The Bulls didn't win at the same sustained rate of excellence as the great Patriots. Remember, Jordan was forced to retire from the league for his gambling habits while Dennis Rodman was kicking camera man in the nuts.

The Bulls had a great run, no question however they won against a watered down Eastern Conference after greats like Larry Legend, Magic, Kareem, and the Bad Boy pistons left.
 
Bucky said:
The Bulls didn't win at the same sustained rate of excellence as the great Patriots. Remember, Jordan was forced to retire from the league for his gambling habits while Dennis Rodman was kicking camera man in the nuts.

The Bulls had a great run, no question however they won against a watered down Eastern Conference after greats like Larry Legend, Magic, Kareem, and the Bad Boy pistons left.
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You made that up
 
Binary_Digit said:
Kraft is denying the whole thing, of course. He insists there was no half-day long meeting and that he didn't influence the JG trade decision in any way.
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Then someone needs to ask Kraft that if Belichick didn't want to trade Garoppolo. And Kraft said he didn't 'influence the decision on trading him'.

Then why is Jimmy wearing a 49'ers uniform nowadays? Garoppolo didn't trade himself.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Then someone needs to ask Kraft that if Belichick didn't want to trade Garoppolo. And Kraft said he didn't 'influence the decision on trading him'.

Then why is Jimmy wearing a 49'ers uniform nowadays? Garoppolo didn't trade himself.
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Unlike the OP, I found the piece to be very well written and an incredible insight into the minds of the most secretive organization in Football. I certainly can see why the op didn't like it.
 
calamity said:
Unlike the OP, I found the piece to be very well written and an incredible insight into the minds of the most secretive organization in Football. I certainly can see why the op didn't like it.
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I think the whole piece is true. Brady's 'guru' was banned for the reasons stated in the piece, and Garoppolo was traded, even though Bill didn't want him traded. The most successful coach in the last 50 years doesn't want a player traded, but the player is traded? There's only 1 person in the Pats organization that could over rule Belichick, that's Kraft. So that part of the piece is probably true too.

So the whole story rings true. IMO it really isn't too big of a deal, Brady has a huge ego, so does Belichick, and I'm sure Kraft does too. It's no surprise when there's 3 big egos in a room there's going to be some head butting. I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I think the whole piece is true. Brady's 'guru' was banned for the reasons stated in the piece, and Garoppolo was traded, even though Bill didn't want him traded. The most successful coach in the last 50 years doesn't want a player traded, but the player is traded? There's only 1 person in the Pats organization that could over rule Belichick, that's Kraft. So that part of the piece is probably true too.

So the whole story rings true. IMO it really isn't too big of a deal, Brady has a huge ego, so does Belichick, and I'm sure Kraft does too. It's no surprise when there's 3 big egos in a room there's going to be some head butting. I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.
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Kraft had been hands off, and Brady has always taken Bill's crap. So, no problem for years. Now, all that has changed. And, I guess, I can see all three sides.

Brady does not want to be pushed off to the football version of a nursing home. So, he made Jimmy G's life miserable.

Bill knows Tom can't play much longer. So, he wanted to keep Jimmy G and start pushing Tom to the bench and eventually convince him to retire.

Robert Kraft is in his mid to late 70's. He probably does not care about who the future QB is but wants to have two or three more runs with Brady. So, he sided with Tom.

Bill ran into the classic wall all of us "manager" types run into when the work we do is predicated on someone else's money. Your vision does not matter. It's not your money. If ownership makes moves into areas you can no longer support, you leave. Simple as that.
 
calamity said:
I doubt it. Football is pretty brutal. Brady can imagine his TB12 is some magical fountain of youth all he wants, but he is not very far away from being done.
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No, Brady's going to play until he's 80 and get 50 more SB rings. Any suggestion to the contrary is a liberal lie!
 
calamity said:
Kraft had been hands off, and Brady has always taken Bill's crap. So, no problem for years. Now, all that has changed. And, I guess, I can see all three sides.

Brady does not want to be pushed off to the football version of a nursing home. So, he made Jimmy G's life miserable.

Bill knows Tom can't play much longer. So, he wanted to keep Jimmy G and start pushing Tom to the bench and eventually convince him to retire.

Robert Kraft is in his mid to late 70's. He probably does not care about who the future QB is but wants to have two or three more runs with Brady. So, he sided with Tom.

Bill ran into the classic wall all of us "manager" types run into when the work we do is predicated on someone else's money. Your vision does not matter. It's not your money. If ownership makes moves into areas you can no longer support, you leave. Simple as that.
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i believed that at one time
but adopted a position that 'i cannot care more than they do'
and preserved my career, while trying to effect change from the inside. because leaving would have hurt me more than the organization
can't see why Belichick would end his run with the organization over such a personnel decision
 
justabubba said:
[emphasis added by bubba]
i believed that at one time
but adopted a position that 'i cannot care more than they do'
and preserved my career, while trying to effect change from the inside. because leaving would have hurt me more than the organization
can't see why Belichick would end his run with the organization over such a personnel decision
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I agree with that to a point. But some of their decisions may stretch beyond the reach of compromise. The decision by ownership in my last job required me to layoff most of the people in my department. I had no desire to roll with that. So, I found another job before that edict went into effect.

I do wish I could have pulled a Belichick though, and just traded all those guys off to our competitor for a case of Scotch. :)
 
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