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Another Thread About Kaepernick Getting Blackballed

Jimmy G has no talent around him yet CK had pro bowlers surrounding him.

In the 2016 season when Kaep played those last 6 games as a 49er, he had zero pro bowlers, and an injured Joe Staley, Jimmy G had one pro bowler in his fullback.

Remember:

Jimmy G Took over a team that had 1 win and was in the running for the first pick of the NFL draft vs CK, who took over a team on the doorsteps away from winning the SB.

And in his prime, he played like an All-Pro, dual threat Quarterback. What you wish to ignore is that in Kaep's final 6 games as a 49er he was working with a collapsed defense, and Jim Tomsula as a head coach.

Why this analogy fails big-time:

Jimmy G is in his 4th season. CK success was in his second season and not in his free agency year.

We are speaking about two players who've each played their final 6 games as a 49er with the only a season difference. With wildly similar stats, one is getting a ton of hype for a $100 million dollar contract, the other is losing out quarterback jobs to the likes of Nathan Peterman and Joe Webb.
 
This it wants called cherry picking.

It's called putting it in perspective. It wouldn't have been fair to Jimmy G to put his 6 game stretch up against Kaepernick at his prime because Kaep's numbers would have blown Jimmy out of the water.

Kaepernick's career comp% is below 60% which is now the standard for QBs while those 6 games are essentially Jimmy's whole body of work.

Out of the entire NFL history, there's only 40 Quarterbacks that have above 60% completion percentage for passing. Out of those, only 16-18 of them played at least one snap this season with such notable names as Joe Flacco, Winston, Josh McCown, and Sam Bradford. Out of the 12 playoff teams, 7 of them have starting QBs with above 60%. This "above 60%" standard you're trying to set is meaningless. Even if it was, Kaep's percentage is 59.8% That's a couple dropped passes away from that 60% standard.

Not to mention in those game Kaepernick was 1-5 and Jimmy was 5-0 with essentially the same them.

The 49er's Defense this season ranked dead last in the seaon Kaep played while the defense improved to 24th this season with a new coaching staff. You can't credit the 49ers downfall entirely on Kaepernick when the 7 man front had imploded over one off season. McDonald got released, Aldon Smith got released, and both All-Pro Patrick Willis and Chris Borland retiring. That's a blow I don't think even New England would be able to bounce back from gracefully.

Kaepernick isnt signed because he has diminished skills with no upside potential

Except the stats say otherwise. His "diminished skills" leave him with similar stats as Jimmy G. CK's stats were in a year bouncing back from shoulder surgery and being shifted into a new, and terrible offensive scheme from Jim Tomsula.

no value outside of his onfield production and is a possible off field distraction

The NFL has forgiven far worse "distractions" than Kaepernick. For **** sake, the Eagles "redeemed" Riley Cooper, the Ravens "redeemed" Ray Lewis, the Cowboys attempted to redeem Greg Hardy, and the Seahawks still defend Frank Clark who openly brags about hitting women. Kaep isn't a distraction, he's someone who dared to have an opinion and that's just unacceptable to people like yourself.
 
Except one of these guys didn't wear socks depicting police as pigs.

Ray Lewis murdered two people, Donte Stallworth (an average WR at best) murdered someone while he was driving drunk and still got to play in the NFL. ****ing hell, we have an entire team called the "Redskins" and call it "respecting culture." If the NFL can get over literal murderers, we can get over someone wearing a stupid pair of socks.
 
While it seems unfair for Colin to be blackballed, he is the public face of the protest movement and also opted out of his contract. He's radioactive and even though some owners are interested, they do not want to see a fan revolt if they bring him in. If I was him he ought to play in the CFL and let things simmer down.
 
The problem is he isnt good enough with the baggage he carries. That sentiment has been expressed by NFL players and coaches alike.

Can you justify hiring the man considering his record as a starter the last 2 years he played? He didnt get benched because he sat. He got benched because he stunk.
That was exactly my point. All things equal, he likely would have been a starting quarterback or a well paid backup in the pro's this year. Anyone saying that he's not playing cause he sucks isn't living in reality. Numerous quarterbacks with worse stats are starting right now. That video bares it all out.
 
It's called putting it in perspective. It wouldn't have been fair to Jimmy G to put his 6 game stretch up against Kaepernick at his prime because Kaep's numbers would have blown Jimmy out of the water.

Jimmy 1st 7 starts

2062 yards, 67.63% comp, 11-5 TD-INT

Kaep 1st 7 starts

2020 yards, 63.64% comp, 13-3 TD-INT

Not exactly blown out of the water

Out of the entire NFL history, there's only 40 Quarterbacks that have above 60% completion percentage for passing. Out of those, only 16-18 of them played at least one snap this season with such notable names as Joe Flacco, Winston, Josh McCown, and Sam Bradford. Out of the 12 playoff teams, 7 of them have starting QBs with above 60%. This "above 60%" standard you're trying to set is meaningless. Even if it was, Kaep's percentage is 59.8% That's a couple dropped passes away from that 60% standard.

24 teams and 25 (qualifying min 224 att)QBs had over a 60% rate for 2017.

23 teams and 24 QBs had over a 60% rate for 2016

25 teams and 26 QBs had over a 60% rate for 2015

25 teams and 25 QBs had over a 60% rate for 2014

Except the stats say otherwise. His "diminished skills" leave him with similar stats as Jimmy G. CK's stats were in a year bouncing back from shoulder surgery and being shifted into a new, and terrible offensive scheme from Jim Tomsula.

Except they dont you are talking about a 6 game streak Kaepernick, was much worse over the 11 total games he played in 2016 and Kaepernick is only going to get worse while Jimmy has the possibility of getting better. Jimmy isnt getting paid for what he is hes going to get paid for what he could be and if the 49ers were smart (theyre not) they would give him a Tyrod like contract that is incentive based.


The NFL has forgiven far worse "distractions" than Kaepernick. For **** sake, the Eagles "redeemed" Riley Cooper, the Ravens "redeemed" Ray Lewis, the Cowboys attempted to redeem Greg Hardy, and the Seahawks still defend Frank Clark who openly brags about hitting women. Kaep isn't a distraction, he's someone who dared to have an opinion and that's just unacceptable to people like yourself.

again you are missing the whole combo. Less than starting talent, no possibility to get better on field, provides no leadership off the field AND is a possible distraction.
 
That was exactly my point. All things equal, he likely would have been a starting quarterback or a well paid backup in the pro's this year. Anyone saying that he's not playing cause he sucks isn't living in reality. Numerous quarterbacks with worse stats are starting right now. That video bares it all out.

No Kaepernick would not be a starter and as a back up its the whole combination of things that make him a bad choice. If Kaepernick had never protested he would still probably be out of the league. Just like RG3 and VY: If you run first, dont throw well, have a low football IQ and dont provide off field leadership then once you dont have the talent to be a starter anymore you are done.
 
This it wants called cherry picking. Kaepernick's career comp% is below 60% which is now the standard for QBs while those 6 games are essentially Jimmy's whole body of work. Not to mention in those game Kaepernick was 1-5 and Jimmy was 5-0 with essentially the same them.

Kaepernick isnt signed because he has diminished skills with no upside potential, no value outside of his onfield production and is a possible off field distraction

STOP IT!!! This thread is about Cap being a victim of racism, not facts and truth. How DARE you bring the truth to a topic like this!!!
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Jimmy 1st 7 starts

2062 yards, 67.63% comp, 11-5 TD-INT

Kaep 1st 7 starts

2020 yards, 63.64% comp, 13-3 TD-INT

Not exactly blown out of the water

I said Kaep's prime vs Jimmy G's prime as we know it.

24 teams and 25 (qualifying min 224 att)QBs had over a 60% rate for 2017.

23 teams and 24 QBs had over a 60% rate for 2016

25 teams and 26 QBs had over a 60% rate for 2015

25 teams and 25 QBs had over a 60% rate for 2014

You just shifted the goal posts, congratulations. You wanted career averages, now you're going with season averages. With season averages, Kaep has had 4 out of his 3 seasons with a 60% percentage. With two of those 3 seasons at that 59.2%

Except they dont you are talking about a 6 game streak Kaepernick, was much worse over the 11 total games he played in 2016 and Kaepernick is only going to get worse

How does a QB (recovering from shoulder surgery and thrusted into a failing offensive scheme mind you) shown to have downside when out of his 11 starts, he nearly threw for a 60% completion, 2241 yds passing with a 16-4 TD-INT? (Along with a rather healthy 468 yards rushing with a couple of TDs) Those are perfectly fine numbers, not great, but definitely numbers that would keep any other QB in the NFL. Like it was stated before in the OP, his last 6 games as 'Niner are almost virtually identical to Jimmy Gs. But unlike Kaep, Jimmy G has had the good fortune of the media hyping him up for almost virtually the same stats as Kaep had.


while Jimmy has the possibility of getting better. Jimmy isnt getting paid for what he is hes going to get paid for what he could be and if the 49ers were smart (theyre not) they would give him a Tyrod like contract that is incentive based.

The NFL is in desperate need of QBs and teams the league over have overpaid for plenty of talents. The Bears paid Mike Glennon a ton of money for an unproven game manager, the Texans paid up the arse for an unproven Brock Lobster, and the Seahawks paid a ton of money for Matt Flynn who was only good for a few games as the Packer's backup. The Jimmy G and other average QBs know they can get themselves overpaid and it'd be stupid if they didn't take advantage of that.

again you are missing the whole combo. Less than starting talent, no possibility to get better on field,

Except when you look at his numbers, he did just as fine as Jimmy G has in six games as a 49er. If you watched this season and thought Kaepernick couldn't outperform Nathan Peterman, anyone the Browns sent to be sacrificed at QB, Tom Savage, or Jay "I don't do Cardio" Cutler then you are once again fooling yourself to ignore the raw numbers.

provides no leadership off the field AND is a possible distraction.

Says who? You? Numerous of his former teammates are surprised that Kaep has this stigma that he isn't a team player, or a leader. Hell, Richard Sherman boasts very publicly how talented and how competitive Kaepernick is on the field. On top of that, the man prior to his anthem protest was a pillar of his community and lead players to charity events and helped the local community. I hate this hand waving, dismissive insult to a QB that he "lacks leadership" or is a "distraction" when there's nothing demonstrable they can point to back that up.

He's proven

Jimmy G is just as proven as Kaepernick through 6 games. The numbers don't lie. One is the apple of the media's eye and the other is being blackballed. Whether you want to accept that reality is up to you.
 
No Kaepernick would not be a starter and as a back up its the whole combination of things that make him a bad choice. If Kaepernick had never protested he would still probably be out of the league. Just like RG3 and VY: If you run first, dont throw well, have a low football IQ and dont provide off field leadership then once you dont have the talent to be a starter anymore you are done.

Honest curiosity. Did you watch the video I posted? Not trying to insult, I'm just honestly curious if you are completely aware of his stats from his last season and how they compare to the field.

 
No player has a "right" to play in the NFL. It is a business. Teams release players all the time. Some for performance issues. Some for injuries. Some for poor attitude and unable to be a good team player.

Kap created the situation he is in. I am not sure I would want him on my team.
 
Honest curiosity. Did you watch the video I posted? Not trying to insult, I'm just honestly curious if you are completely aware of his stats from his last season and how they compare to the field.



Yes I am aware of his stats here is the problem main problem, teams are look for a top 12 QB talent and nothing less. If you look at the vast majority of the QBs in the league they are one of two things, the ability preform in the top 12 or the potential to get to that talent level. Kaepernick is not at that level and he has ZERO potential to ever be better than what he was in 2016. So starter is out of the question in regards to Kaepernick. Then you go to backup where no doubt Kaepernick is more talented than a lot of backs ups. However being a back up isnt just about on-field production its about what you can do to help the team in practice and the film room, how well you fit into a teams existing offense, relationships with the HC/OC, leadership and of course not being a distraction.

This isnt a madden game where you can just put a guy who is rated a 71 over a guy who is rated a 67 and it be an upgrade.
 
Yes I am aware of his stats here is the problem main problem, teams are look for a top 12 QB talent and nothing less. If you look at the vast majority of the QBs in the league they are one of two things, the ability preform in the top 12 or the potential to get to that talent level. Kaepernick is not at that level and he has ZERO potential to ever be better than what he was in 2016. So starter is out of the question in regards to Kaepernick. Then you go to backup where no doubt Kaepernick is more talented than a lot of backs ups. However being a back up isnt just about on-field production its about what you can do to help the team in practice and the film room, how well you fit into a teams existing offense, relationships with the HC/OC, leadership and of course not being a distraction.

This isnt a madden game where you can just put a guy who is rated a 71 over a guy who is rated a 67 and it be an upgrade.

Well that's just not realistic. There are lots of teams right now that if you go simply by stats, are offering contracts and good money to starting quarterbacks with worse stats than CK. IMO, without all this drama, he would have been a starting QB somewhere in the NFL this year. Im not blaming anyone for not taking him, that's their choice. But I think it's absolutely insane for anyone to suggest that he's just simply not good enough.
 
Well that's just not realistic. There are lots of teams right now that if you go simply by stats, are offering contracts and good money to starting quarterbacks with worse stats than CK. IMO, without all this drama, he would have been a starting QB somewhere in the NFL this year. Im not blaming anyone for not taking him, that's their choice. But I think it's absolutely insane for anyone to suggest that he's just simply not good enough.

They are all players with potential which Kaepernick doesnt have any of.

Look at Vince Young's last 6 starts in Tennessee he had a 107 passer rating. Why wernt teams chomping at the bit to sign him to big money? Racism of course :roll:
 
They are all players with potential which Kaepernick doesnt have any of.

Look at Vince Young's last 6 starts in Tennessee he had a 107 passer rating. Why wernt teams chomping at the bit to sign him to big money? Racism of course :roll:

But... he did play in the NFL after that. So I'm not sure what you're point is.
 
But... he did play in the NFL after that. So I'm not sure what you're point is.

He played 1 season as a backup. That was the best case scenario for Kaep before he made himself a distraction and even then Kaep could have been a backup this year for Seattle if he would have played for the minimum but he thought he was above that and now gets to sit at home.
 
Waitaminnit.

You think that forcing dogs to fight and electrocuting the losers is somehow not as bad as criticizing cops for getting a little too trigger-happy around black folks. Am I reading this right?

Have you ever been to a pit bull dog fight, with several surrounding states represented? 75 or more dogs matched?

I love dogs, always have. I was invited to go to a fight, and I went just because I wanted to see first hand what I had heard so much about..

Let me tell you, God and Man made pit bulls for this purpose. It was plain to see that winning or losing, those dogs were totally enjoying it, tails wagging like what fun is this. There was absolutely not "forcing them to fight". Absolutely none of that.

And yet I hated every moment at the same time I realized this fact. And the dogs who quit fighting left and were shot. Hate that..

Once was enough and I did not stay for all of it. I went home early wondering exactly what I had seen, and how much those dogs seemed to love the fight..

But now I do understand why for thousands of years, men have been fighting these few breeds of dogs.

And I understand exactly why Michel Vick was doing it..
 
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Anyone claiming Kaepernick isn't signed because of a lack of ability is a moron who knows absolutely jack **** about football.
 
IIRC Colin Kap came into the NFL the year before RG3. When I first caught one of his games for SF, I said wow, this guy can play and how do you stop a big guy that can run like he does? He and the 49’s were very close to winning the SB against Baltimore. The next year, it seems that the NFL had figured out how to defend CK. And btw RG3. CK has enough detractors, and I cannot connect the dots with his stated stand and his choice of hosiery or t-shirts. He comes with way too much baggage and he seems to have been figured out. RG3 is gone as well. Triple option doesn’t have a long shelf life in the pro game. IMO
 
This is just another example of the hipster racism that's popular among the left. Vick paid his dues to society.

So in your view pedophiles that do their time have paid their dues and are safe?
 
Anyone claiming Kaepernick isn't signed because of a lack of ability is a moron who knows absolutely jack **** about football.


Since nobody is saying that would you like to say something relevant? What do you think about Kap's girlfriend sabotaging his chances with the Ravens?
 
Since nobody is saying that would you like to say something relevant? What do you think about Kap's girlfriend sabotaging his chances with the Ravens?

I don't know why these owners are so terrified of their fanbases. The NFL has been a license to print money for decades ... do they really think M&T Bank Stadium will be empty because of something Colin Kaepernick's GIRLFRIEND said?

Carmelo Anthony's wife is a total twat, and last I checked, attendance for the Knicks after her outbursts was still just fine.*

* -- this occurred when he still played for the Knicks and wasn't awful
 
So in your view pedophiles that do their time have paid their dues and are safe?

I imagine some here who thought the dogs enjoyed it will also say the same about the kids.
 
These two players have similar stats after their last 6 games

Jimmy G
Completion Percentage: 67.4%
Passing Yards: 1,565 yds
TD-INT: 7-5
Passer Rating: 96.2

Colin Kaepernick
Completion Percentage: 65.1%
Passing Yards: 1,305 yds
TD-INT: 9-2
Passer Rating 96.2

One of these guys is going into Free Agency expecting superstar money, the other hasn't been signed because he felt black people get unfairly harassed by the police too much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aInHIFgL7Aw&ab_channel=FirstThingsFirst:CrisCarterandNickWright

Well, considering only one of those quarterbacks actively supports a totalitarian regime which has murdered thousands of its own citizens.....

Frankly, it doesn't matter which vicious dictator you support--- you shouldn't be surprised when that bites you in the ass.
 
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