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The arresting officer' s camera was turned off. Why?
So basically, you stereotype police based on "overwhelming data set of statistical evidence. (blah blah blah), suggesting that police in this case are stereotyping black people in an active shooter situation, and you think you are better than the "racists" you claim to be speaking about?
You literally are applying the same profiling mindset you claim to be against.
are you saying it's not suspicious to hide behind a slot machine and run away when you see police?
Police who turn off body cams should face immediate termination.
the other videos will be released
18 mins of video. note other black people in it, not being arrested/detained.
Use logic man.
Be logical here.
The police have extra privileges, authorities, and training. Therefore the expectations are higher for them to get it right. They are not. That's a problem. End of story, no matter how badly you want to diffuse and deflect and engage in script flipping. If this were an isolated incident, you would have a point. It's not, though, sooo....
Furthermore, this is not the same as racial profiling, this is assumption based on job performance statistics. So, false equivalency is false.
Anything else, Rev?
you are a waste of time. Again, there were numerous black people running around, how is it racial profiling to detain one who hid, then ran from the police?
Oooo, ouch, too much logic, change directions to avoid answering questions you know will stall your rhetoric. Got it. You were saying something about a waste of time? lol
Why did they even arrest him in the first place? What cause did they have? There was no gunshot, so they quite literally had no evidence to support an arrest. And we know for a fact the arresting officer put a gun to his head when he was on the ground, what reason was there for that?you are a waste of time. Again, there were numerous black people running around, how is it racial profiling to detain one who hid, then ran from the police?
Why did they even arrest him in the first place? What cause did they have? There was no gunshot, so they quite literally had no evidence to support an arrest. And we know for a fact the arresting officer put a gun to his head when he was on the ground, what reason was there for that?
No, the police were wrong. I have always, and will always, strongly support police. They have an incredibly difficult job and they almost never get to talk to someone who is happy to see them. It's a hard job. But, with that said, they (meaning any involved officers) were in the wrong here. Unquestionably in the wrong.
And just in case you haven't see the photo/video of the officer putting the gun to his head, here's the link: http://sea.247sports.com/Bolt/Michael-Bennett-tweets-out-still-image-with-gun-to-head-107050460
Ah bro, (can I call you bro) you are far to sensitive to risk having a discussion with you. L8!
You can definitely call me bro, bro! Just don't blame my sensitivity for the fact that you get upset when you run up against statistics and logic that go counter to your talking points, and deal with that by changing tack mid-way through a conversation. We're all friends here, sometimes we'll be right, sometimes we'll be wrong, and sometimes there will be zero chance that we'll be convinced of our wrongness or acknowledge another's rightness. With that in mind, it's good to have a reset from time to time, hug it out, and get back to it with jimmies less rustled. It's only the Internet!
If I'm pissed about anything, it's that you suggested I have a man bun. That crap stings, bro...still. Hell ya, I'm holding that grudge. Say sorry.
lolz
Right, just as long as I don't call you "son". MIRITE? I barely read your post.
But there was absolutely no crime committed. And there were a lot of people who were ducking and hiding.Why do I have to repeat myself. He was hiding behind a slot machine (reasonable), when he saw the cops he ran (unreasonable.)
Watch the video. The gun turns down to his head at the very end.Gun is not to his head. it's pointing horizontally.
I'm not commenting on the race part right now. I'm only talking about the actions of the officers.As for racial profiling, they literally did not do this to a plethora of back people prior to getting to bennet.
There was no shooter. But if there was, why him? Lots of people were hiding, lots of people were running out of the building.Let me ask you, what if he was the shooter?
But there was absolutely no crime committed. And there were a lot of people who were ducking and hiding.
The officers did wrong.
Watch the video. The gun turns down to his head at the very end.
I'm not commenting on the race part right now. I'm only talking about the actions of the officers.
There was no shooter. But if there was, why him? Lots of people were hiding, lots of people were running out of the building.
Why him? What was different about him hiding then running compared to everyone else who was doing the same thing, as can be seen on the video?
You keep talking about his race, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm asking "Why him?"? Out of everyone there, why him? They had ZERO evidence to arrest him, because a crime wasn't even committed.That's precicely the point, there are hundreds of people running, hiding ducking for cover. Of all race and colors
What did he do which was any different then all those other people you just acknowledged were doing the same thing he did?Bennet did something that made him stand out.
He didn't run from the police, he ran out of the building...like the police were telling people to do.namely run from the police during an ACTIVE SHOOTER situation.
It was dumb of him to do what other people were doing, what the police were telling people to do? How do you figure that?****ing dumb on his part.
Rather than admitting you were wrong and that Bennett, an innocent person, was correct, you try to justify the wrongness. That should be your indication that you're caring more about your position than what is right.Ok I see it. Nothing unusual there to me, again ACTIVE SHOOTER situation.
If there had been a traffic stop, there might at least be a reason to stop Bennett in the first place. There was literally no reason to stop Bennett because, again, there were no gunshots.if this were a traffic stop, I'd be right there with you and bennet.
Why do you keep bringing that up to me? Stop arguing against something I've never said.watching that whole video, it's apparent this is a black focused area or night club, nearly everyone there in that club whatever is black. for bennet to scream racism is absurd. furthermore, with I reiterate, ACTIVE SHOOTER situation you can see those cops were scared as hell going in there. Bennet did something that made him a suspect. It wasn't his color.
Oh, okay. That makes sense. All is forgiven.Ok, fine, everyone else is and I'm not going to go up and edit.
Except, in reality, it wasn't. They THOUGHT it was, but it wasn't. There were no gunshots.That said.
ACTIVE SHOOTER situation..... key word ACTIVE.
Yes, the same thing thing many other people in the club were doing, which you yourself have already acknowledged. So why him?bennet did something that made the police want to detain him.
If he was the shooter, I can't imagine he could do much damage laying on the ground with his hands behind his back...so I'm not sure exactly how one can defend pointing a gun at his head and telling him he was going to have his head blown off.Did you want them to be polite in chasing him and ask him to stop? again what if he was the shooter?
You tell me. Because I have no idea. Actually, that's not true, I have my suspicions, but I'm going to withhold them for the moment. And no, race is not the ONLY factor in my suspicions.What do you think they singled him out for?
They put a gun to his head, told him they would shoot him and arrested him for literally no reason at all. Don't defend or justify. They did wrong. You are welcome to explain why they did wrong, but don't leave out the part where they did wrong.
No, I'm not.Here is the problem, you are wrong.
Perhaps you didn't watch the video I provided in my link? Because the video I provided clearly does show that. Even ReverendHellhound agreed. It was at the very end of the video I provided, you can clearly see the gun pointed down at Bennett.The video doesnt show a gun to Bennett's head
Of course he was. He was handcuffed and put in a police car. That is arrested. He may not have been charged or even taken to the police station, but he was, quite literally, arrested. Bennett was not free to leave on his own during that time.Bennett was not arrested.
No, I'm not.
Perhaps you didn't watch the video I provided in my link? Because the video I provided clearly does show that. Even ReverendHellhound agreed. It was at the very end of the video I provided, you can clearly see the gun pointed down at Bennett.
Of course he was. He was handcuffed and put in a police car. That is arrested. He may not have been charged or even taken to the police station, but he was, quite literally, arrested. Bennett was not free to leave on his own during that time.
Here is the problem...essentially everything in your post was wrong.
You can clearly see the object in the officer's head, and that object is obviously a gun. It's shaped like a gun and the officers all had their guns out as they were moving through the building.That video doesnt clearly show anything.
You can think it looks like whatever you want to think it looks like, but it won't change the fact it is a gun. :shrug:It looks more like a taser to me
At least you're now acknowledging it was "actually pointed at Bennett's head".but regardless the officer draws the gun/taser but this is the best you see of it actually pointed at Bennett's head:
He was forced to the ground, he was forcibly put in handcuffs and forcibly put into a police car. Regardless of whatever legal definition which may be used by the state of Nevada, he was in a state of arrest.He was detained not arrested there is a big difference.
You literally just agreed with me he had something pointed at his head. And he was forcibly held against his will in a police car, to the point where he was not free to leave, and in handcuffs, for literally no reason at all.Here's the problem either you have no clue what you are talking about
You can clearly see the object in the officer's head, and that object is obviously a gun. It's shaped like a gun and the officers all had their guns out as they were moving through the building.
It's a gun.
You can think it looks like whatever you want to think it looks like, but it won't change the fact it is a gun. :shrug:
At least you're now acknowledging it was "actually pointed at Bennett's head".
He was forced to the ground, he was forcibly put in handcuffs and forcibly put into a police car. Regardless of whatever legal definition which may be used by the state of Nevada, he was in a state of arrest.
You can split hairs on the technicalities, and I'm well aware of the difference. But by any reasonable standard, we know for a fact he was arrested. And, in the end, the technicality doesn't matter because there was exactly ZERO reason to arrest or detain him.
You literally just agreed with me he had something pointed at his head. And he was forcibly held against his will in a police car, to the point where he was not free to leave, and in handcuffs, for literally no reason at all.
Here's the problem. You seem to care more about scoring political points than you do about discussing the actual facts of what happened. I've already stated I'm a strong supporter of the police. You can find plenty of posts on this forum where I've defended the police in the Michael Brown, Eric Garner, etc. situations. But the officers did wrong here. They did wrong.
You're ignoring facts. There's no way those officers were holding tasers. You know that, I know that...for you to try and cast doubt on what was being pointed at Bennett's head just shows how little you care about discussing the facts of this case because you care more about the political implications than you do the facts.This is what a taser looks like
To a total moron they might call it a gun I suppose
You keep talking about his race, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm asking "Why him?"? Out of everyone there, why him? They had ZERO evidence to arrest him, because a crime wasn't even committed.
Why him?
What did he do which was any different then all those other people you just acknowledged were doing the same thing he did?
He didn't run from the police, he ran out of the building...like the police were telling people to do.
It was dumb of him to do what other people were doing, what the police were telling people to do? How do you figure that?
Rather than admitting you were wrong and that Bennett, an innocent person, was correct, you try to justify the wrongness. That should be your indication that you're caring more about your position than what is right.
If there had been a traffic stop, there might at least be a reason to stop Bennett in the first place. There was literally no reason to stop Bennett because, again, there were no gunshots.
They put a gun to his head, told him they would shoot him and arrested him for literally no reason at all. Don't defend or justify. They did wrong. You are welcome to explain why they did wrong, but don't leave out the part where they did wrong.
Why do you keep bringing that up to me? Stop arguing against something I've never said.
Oh, okay. That makes sense. All is forgiven.
I've done that before myself. We're cool on that subject and I'm not going up to edit either.
Except, in reality, it wasn't. They THOUGHT it was, but it wasn't. There were no gunshots.
Yes, the same thing thing many other people in the club were doing, which you yourself have already acknowledged. So why him?
If he was the shooter, I can't imagine he could do much damage laying on the ground with his hands behind his back...so I'm not sure exactly how one can defend pointing a gun at his head and telling him he was going to have his head blown off.
Can you?
You tell me. Because I have no idea. Actually, that's not true, I have my suspicions, but I'm going to withhold them for the moment. And no, race is not the ONLY factor in my suspicions.
But you didn't answer my question as to what made him different from everyone else who was doing the same thing. Why him?Ive given you my reason, he did something that attracted thier attention, namely run from them.
I'll share when you share what made Bennett different from everyone else who was doing the same thing.what is your reason?
But you didn't answer my question as to what made him different from everyone else who was doing the same thing. Why him?
I'll share when you share what made Bennett different from everyone else who was doing the same thing.
So you have no explanation on what he did which was different from everyone else?Then we are at an impass. I clearly stated that his behaviors in an ACTIVE SHOOTER situation got the attention from police. namely hiding, eye contact, then running. hundreds of people running, hiding, etc, he did something that made the cops single him out.
I have been sharing, I've been sharing that your explanation doesn't really hold up to any real level of scrutiny.please share or we are done here. games aren't my thing.
So you have no explanation on what he did which was different from everyone else?
I have been sharing, I've been sharing that your explanation doesn't really hold up to any real level of scrutiny.
Here's what I think. I think the officer(s) involved were scared (understandably), adrenaline pumping wildly, hyper-alert, and Bennett fit their prejudices. He's 6'4", 270 pounds. He's black. He's intimidating. Perhaps his clothes weren't "right". He fit their prejudices and, in their fear, they latched on to anything they perceived might be a threat. You've agreed his actions weren't any different than others, yet he was singled out. It wasn't by accident.
Thus, while his race wasn't the ONLY factor, I think it would be asinine to assume it didn't play any part in the situation. I don't care if the two officers who arrested him were black (rather than Hispanic), there is a prejudice/fear fear of black men, rightly or wrongly, especially one who would be as physically imposing as Bennett.
But that doesn't change the fact the officer(s) involved did wrong. They had ZERO reason to force him to the ground to handcuff him and even less reason to point a gun at his head and tell him they were going to blow his head off. They did wrong and they should be punished.