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Is the Sun setting on football?

Name me one other job where employees are demanded to "respect" the national anthem before work.

Anyone who whines about players not "respecting" the anthem has way too much time on their hands.

It's less about work and more about tradition. I don't watch pro sports (or any sports for that matter) but I agree that someone who goes out of his way to disrespect a national emblem is probably more trouble than he's worth. Ultimately, the choice is up to the team owner/manager, and, if he's smart, he'll base his decision on feedback from fans.
 
Football is a team sport. The goal of each player is to bring his team to victory. Kaepernick did not do this. While he was an above average player, he did not bring the team up. His political protest was again, not something that added benefit to the team. He made a decision that he would opt out of his contract. That contract would have kept him playing. He thought he would be snapped up as a free agent. This was a gamble he took. He rolled snake eyes.
 
Name me one other job where employees are demanded to "respect" the national anthem before work.

Anyone who whines about players not "respecting" the anthem has way too much time on their hands.

The US military.
 
Perhaps like all things, there are cycles. I grew up when baseball was king and boxing popular. College football was much more popular than the NFL. So too was college basketball over the NBA. Now the NFL is king along with college football. Yeah, maybe football is in for a decline, it has reigned as king since the 1960's.

But what would supersede it? MMA is popular, more so it seems that boxing today. But does not touch football. Soccer? I find it too boring and still don't understand it. Although it is gaining popularity. Little by little. Baseball, I don't think so. When I was a kid, everyone played baseball, pickup games, leagues etc. Not today. Is there another sport out there that could replace football as number one? I doubt there is for at least another 20 years.

We shall see.
 
It's less about work and more about tradition. I don't watch pro sports (or any sports for that matter) but I agree that someone who goes out of his way to disrespect a national emblem is probably more trouble than he's worth. Ultimately, the choice is up to the team owner/manager, and, if he's smart, he'll base his decision on feedback from fans.

"Tradition" is a really stupid reason to keep a guy who can play out of work.
 
Football isn't going anywhere. Besides the 'game' itself still being very popular, there's too much money and interest in gambling and fantasy football.

Because of the worry of injury and CTE football may become less popular at younger ages. But HS.. College.. And Pro? It's not going anywhere. There's too much money, fame, publicity, etc., involved. When athletes get older they will still be very willing to take the risks.
 
"Tradition" is a really stupid reason to keep a guy who can play out of work.

Not really. Just as tradition sets the stage in any job. Same as not wearing a suit-and-tie if it's traditional in your chosen career or hiring men to work at Hooters. Tradition rules. Every now and again you hear of someone who decides they're better than the traditions.

They usually end up walking down the road talking to themselves.

It's life, dude. Employers get to decide. Workers get to go along -- or go it alone.

In the long run, the company/sport is usually better off without them.
 
Football isn't going anywhere. Besides the 'game' itself still being very popular, there's too much money and interest in gambling and fantasy football.

Because of the worry of injury and CTE football may become less popular at younger ages. But HS.. College.. And Pro? It's not going anywhere. There's too much money, fame, publicity, etc., involved. When athletes get older they will still be very willing to take the risks.

It's easy to say that football isn't going anywhere. The NFL is second only to NASCAR in crowd size. But those crowds are declining. Year after year, those crowds are decreasing. Football stadiums are expensive to own, operate, and maintain. The venues count on the teams paying huge amounts and drawing large crowds. Boycotts of any type are not good for the sport. It doesn't matter if fans are boycotting because some won't stand for the anthem or if fans are boycotting because they are upset that Kaepernick isn't getting a contract. Any boycotts are bad for the sport.
 
It's easy to say that football isn't going anywhere. The NFL is second only to NASCAR in crowd size. But those crowds are declining. Year after year, those crowds are decreasing. Football stadiums are expensive to own, operate, and maintain. The venues count on the teams paying huge amounts and drawing large crowds. Boycotts of any type are not good for the sport. It doesn't matter if fans are boycotting because some won't stand for the anthem or if fans are boycotting because they are upset that Kaepernick isn't getting a contract. Any boycotts are bad for the sport.

I don't know for sure but I doubt the crowd sizes at the stadiums are declining. But TV ratings have declined, and that is a worry for the NFL. But all sports on TV have been taking a hit lately. People have other entertainment choices. Millions of viewers are 'cutting the cord'. IMO the NFL has over saturated their product. It''s on 3 nights a week, 4 nights a week at the end of the season.

It had to hit a little swoon, and it has for a variety of reasons.
 
Football has been our dominant sport for decades. Is it headed for decline?


Football’s enjoyment is on a fade pattern


Never again will it be the subject of uncomplicated national enthusiasm.







"Autumn, which is bearing down upon us like a menacing linebacker, is, as John Keats said, a season of mists and mellow fruitfulness and chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). Actually, Keats, a romantic, did not mention that last part. He died before the birth of the subject of a waning American romance, football. This sport will never die, but it will never again be, as it was until recently, the subject of uncomplicated national enthusiasm.
CTE is a degenerative brain disease confirmable only after death, and often caused by repeated blows to the head that knock the brain against the skull. The cumulative impacts of hundreds of supposedly minor blows can have the cumulative effect of many concussions. The New York Times recently reported Stanford University researchers’ data showing “that one college offensive lineman sustained 62 of these hits in a single game. Each one came with an average force on the player’s head equivalent to what you would see if he had driven his car into a brick wall at 30 mph.” . . . .

"It has been said (by Thomas Babington Macaulay) that the Puritans banned bear baiting — unleashing fierce dogs on a bear chained in a pit — not because it gave pain to bears but because it gave pleasure to Puritans. But whatever the Puritans’ motives, they understood that there are degrading enjoyments. Football is becoming one, even though Michigan’s $9 million coach has called it “the last bastion of hope for toughness in America in men.” That thought must amuse the Marines patrolling Afghanistan’s Helmand Province."



While I always watch and cheer on my Seahawks I have been for the past year and half have moving towards Hockey and finding it a better sport to watch and follow.
 
Getting an injury during the game is part of sports. Taking a knee during the national anthem is a political protest. Kaepernick has learned, the hard way, that his protest drew attention to him, not the team. He further learned that opting out of his contract to go free agent has a downside... Someone has to actually want him. This problem he now faces is completely his own doing, from his own choices.

Getting an injury is far too much of the game. I could not care less who stands, kneels or sits during the National Anthem. I do, however, find myself being more and more turned off by all the blown out knees, torn shoulders and brain injuries. IMO, those things happening during almost every quarter take far more away from the joy of watching a game than does some protest which occurred before the game--probably while I wasn't tuned in to watch anyway.
 
Getting an injury is far too much of the game. I could not care less who stands, kneels or sits during the National Anthem. I do, however, find myself being more and more turned off by all the blown out knees, torn shoulders and brain injuries. IMO, those things happening during almost every quarter take far more away from the joy of watching a game than does some protest which occurred before the game--probably while I wasn't tuned in to watch anyway.

It is true that some people do not care about this country. It is true that many completely lack patriotism. Kaepernick decided to stage his protest. That was his right as an American citizen. Owner also have the right to not sign a contract with him.
 
Football has been our dominant sport for decades. Is it headed for decline?


Football’s enjoyment is on a fade pattern


Never again will it be the subject of uncomplicated national enthusiasm.







"Autumn, which is bearing down upon us like a menacing linebacker, is, as John Keats said, a season of mists and mellow fruitfulness and chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). Actually, Keats, a romantic, did not mention that last part. He died before the birth of the subject of a waning American romance, football. This sport will never die, but it will never again be, as it was until recently, the subject of uncomplicated national enthusiasm.
CTE is a degenerative brain disease confirmable only after death, and often caused by repeated blows to the head that knock the brain against the skull. The cumulative impacts of hundreds of supposedly minor blows can have the cumulative effect of many concussions. The New York Times recently reported Stanford University researchers’ data showing “that one college offensive lineman sustained 62 of these hits in a single game. Each one came with an average force on the player’s head equivalent to what you would see if he had driven his car into a brick wall at 30 mph.” . . . .

"It has been said (by Thomas Babington Macaulay) that the Puritans banned bear baiting — unleashing fierce dogs on a bear chained in a pit — not because it gave pain to bears but because it gave pleasure to Puritans. But whatever the Puritans’ motives, they understood that there are degrading enjoyments. Football is becoming one, even though Michigan’s $9 million coach has called it “the last bastion of hope for toughness in America in men.” That thought must amuse the Marines patrolling Afghanistan’s Helmand Province."



Football will continue on and any link to head injuries will be mitigated with rules changes in some way the way quarterbacks and kickers are coddled by the refs.
 
It is true that some people do not care about this country. It is true that many completely lack patriotism. Kaepernick decided to stage his protest. That was his right as an American citizen. Owner also have the right to not sign a contract with him.

Protesting means someone doesn't love this country?

Funny, as I mentioned before men who fought for this country never once said to me they thought Kaep. or anyone who protests meant they were unpatriotic or didn't love this country.

Peaceful protest is a right given to us in the Constitution. When the Bundy's armed with guns took over a refuge and protested the government, the Right saw them as heroes. Kaepernik kneels and he's a villain. Funny how some people say the love this country and love the Constitution until they don't.
 
Protesting means someone doesn't love this country?

Funny, as I mentioned before men who fought for this country never once said to me they thought Kaep. or anyone who protests meant they were unpatriotic or didn't love this country.

Peaceful protest is a right given to us in the Constitution. When the Bundy's armed with guns took over a refuge and protested the government, the Right saw them as heroes. Kaepernik kneels and he's a villain. Funny how some people say the love this country and love the Constitution until they don't.

It is possible to be disgusted by both the Bundys and CK. I am.
 
It is possible to be disgusted by both the Bundys and CK. I am.

Absolutely. But be fair. Many on the Right loved the Bundy's protest, but then say they a now turned off to football because the owners 'allowed' Kaep. to kneel. IDK, maybe some think the owners should have hired 1 of the Bundy's to shoot Kaepernik?

Anyway. I too am disgusted by both. Kaep picked the wrong time and place for his protest. But I do have more patience with him because his protest didn't involve threats and intimidation.
 
Absolutely. But be fair. Many on the Right loved the Bundy's protest, but then say they a now turned off to football because the owners 'allowed' Kaep. to kneel. IDK, maybe some think the owners should have hired 1 of the Bundy's to shoot Kaepernik?

Anyway. I too am disgusted by both. Kaep picked the wrong time and place for his protest. But I do have more patience with him because his protest didn't involve threats and intimidation.

I am fair. CK is a privileged young man. He chose to disrespect the flag and anthem for which many not-so-privileged young men and women have died. He is getting what he deserves.
 
I am fair. CK is a privileged young man. He chose to disrespect the flag and anthem for which many not-so-privileged young men and women have died. He is getting what he deserves.

Again, and I promise for the last time. The many Vets I know have no problem with his protest. He didn't threaten anyone, he caused no damage, he just knelt. They fought for that right. Take that for what's it's worth.

I have no problem with the why of his protest. But I did have a problem with the where and when.
 
Again, and I promise for the last time. The many Vets I know have no problem with his protest. He didn't threaten anyone, he caused no damage, he just knelt. They fought for that right. Take that for what's it's worth.

I have no problem with the why of his protest. But I did have a problem with the where and when.

Reticence is a veteran's right.
 
It is true that some people do not care about this country. It is true that many completely lack patriotism. Kaepernick decided to stage his protest. That was his right as an American citizen. Owner also have the right to not sign a contract with him.

It is true some people care more about faux patriotism than they do the trials and tribulations of a subset of people in this country. There is also something seriously creepy about cheering for people who we now know are suffering permanent brain injuries by being on that field. Not to mention, ignoring all the blown out knees, broken bones, and other disfiguring and/or crippling injuries.
 
Protesting means someone doesn't love this country?

Funny, as I mentioned before men who fought for this country never once said to me they thought Kaep. or anyone who protests meant they were unpatriotic or didn't love this country.

Peaceful protest is a right given to us in the Constitution. When the Bundy's armed with guns took over a refuge and protested the government, the Right saw them as heroes. Kaepernik kneels and he's a villain. Funny how some people say the love this country and love the Constitution until they don't.

When you refuse to stand for the national anthem or if you wipe your butt with the flag, you are demonstrating that you do not give a crap about this country. Kaepernik exercised his freedom of speech. Now the team owners are exercising theirs. Tough ****.
 
george will is a baseball enthusiast, so his lament against football is not unexpected. baseball was the national pastime when he and i were young and it has slowly been displaced from that position over the years

that said, the head injuries make football another vulnerable sport. and the NFL owners know it. we see it in the rules changes and fines assessed made to discourage shots to the head. and they are pouring money into helmet research

Yes, but not for the reasons you're stating. This whole Kaepernick saga is going to break football enthusiasm. No one watches sports to have to deal with politics. They get that enough in their daily lives. They watch it to escape for just a little while and be entertained.
 
These guy want to play knowing the risks... I like to watch. Play on and don't bitch later when you have concussion problems, players.
 
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