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MacGregor/Mayweather Who You Got and Did You Buy the Live Version?

What I thought was interesting about McGregor, he had an old school boxing posture. Head way up and back. Great visibility but open. While boxers these days are generally head down between the gloves or ducked behind a raised shoulder. He kept his hands out front and head up. Looked like boxing in the 1920's or 30's.

That posture is fairly common in mma, most strikers adopt a similar stance. The stance most common among boxers today is from the evolution of defending purely from focusing on taking and receiving punches. It would be interesting if it were possible to see the type of stance that will be common in mma a 100 or so years from now. In comparison to boxing, mma is still in it's infancy as a sport. While martial arts has been around since the beginning the concept of combining traditional martial arts (wrestling, boxing, jujitsu) into a complete fighting system is still relatively new. Watching the UFC grow from the Gracie challenge of determining the best martial arts transition into fusing the best aspects of each style into one has been fun to watch, I only wish I could be around long enough to see where it will eventually lead.
 
I wonder if anyone here paid the pay per view fee and if so, do they feel silly now? :)

I paid and while before the fight I assumed I would be paying for nothing more then a 3 min annihilation, I was quite pleased with the turnout. It was a very entertaining fight and had a great time enjoying it with some friends. Don't feel silly at all.
 
He probably knew that McG had that one punch in him for at least three or four rounds. So, he burned him out.

MayW rolls like that. He is super cautious, not very exciting and 50-0 because of it. :lol:

I get that that's how he is but this guy he faced wasn't a boxer. He should have been able to be more aggressive from the first ring of the bell and not use the cowardly back-turning to escape from attacks.
 
I get that that's how he is but this guy he faced wasn't a boxer. He should have been able to be more aggressive from the first ring of the bell and not use the cowardly back-turning to escape from attacks.

:shrug:

He won. Right?
 
I wonder if anyone here paid the pay per view fee and if so, do they feel silly now? :)

I watched it at my brother in laws. He paid. He felt it was worth it. I would never have paid to watch it, and would not have found it worth it.
 
Anyone who watched this fight and thought Mayweather was running and hiding doesn't know a goddamn thing about boxing.

He turned his back A LOT. To be fair he knows the game and knew that McGregor would make mistakes. But idk think that is legal and I think he just got away with it.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
 
Because it seems that he lost those rounds.

McGregor was TKO'd, so, the win of a fight goes to he who prevails at the end, not to earlier perceptions in the battle as it unfolds.


Yes, tired out. Mayweather didn't land much of anything until after McGregor started losing steam. That's just a fact.

So, I'm saying, if McGregor was the better fighter he would not have lost steam. Endurance is an essential aspect to boxing, so is conserving energy, not early perceptions, kind of like knowing you have a 30 mile hump in the infantry that will include marching up and down hills. You might look good running the first several miles with the pack on your back, but its possible the turtles behind you keeping at good stride might eventually march past you.

And Mayweather fought like the US military. The Marine Corps infantry likes to attack its enemies when they are not only tired but hopefully undressed, in bed asleep, and no weapon on them. That's why we prefer to attack, to assault, at zero dark thirty hours, early in the morning before the sun comes up.



...He also kept being a coward and turning his back to McGregor whenever he felt threatened. That's also a fact.

If he was a coward he never would have gotten in the ring with McGregor. Neither of them can be justly accused of being cowards. And its not even just about this one fight for that matter. Both have a series of fights before this under their belts. Floyd has been boxing (not playing golf) since he was a little boy. And he earned his livelihood as an adult as a professional boxer and fought some of the best out there. He was not earning his money punching keyboards, hanging drywall, or being a career politician. He was earning his money in a physically violent job--one that often leaves former fighters "punch drunk."

Put any fight in a ring aside, just putting on the gloves and walking up to the ring puts butterflies in most men's bellies, and especially going underneath the ropes to enter the ring. That's even just in a boxing gym for sparring. Fighting as they did under huge bright lights in front on hundreds, thousands, screaming fans, TV cameras being on you... that is a whole level of fear I've never experienced and few men have. How many times has Floyd willfully put himself through that gauntlet? Many.

Arturo Gatti was famous for taking far worse beatings than McGregor did and coming back strong. This guy would get beaten up bad like a Rocky movie, knocked down to the mat, and come up fighting even harder. And you're complaining about McGregor getting "tired." Yeah, it was obvious he was tired. Made especially so from Floyd's hits (including the body hits in the early rounds). McGregor didn't have the conditioning to endure through a 12 round boxing fight.

Lastly... Teddy Atlas knows far more about boxing than I do and sees and understands what goes on in a ring between two opponent to a way greater extent than I do. He addresses this issue of Mayweather's back being turned and so does a former professional MMA fighter (I believe he's a former MMA fighter).





One can fast-foward to approximately the 11:40 mark of the video. That is when Teddy addresses the back turns and states McGregor was turning Mayweather (although, sometimes I think he had stepped towards the back side of Mayweather).

 
He probably knew that McG had that one punch in him for at least three or four rounds. So, he burned him out.

MayW rolls like that. He is super cautious, not very exciting and 50-0 because of it. :lol:

Yeah, agreed. And if life were fair grown men wouldn't get rich playing golf. But life is not fair. And Mayweather is cognizant of that and sought to maximize the rewards of boxing while minimizing his risks (health foremost).

I saw the fight between Nigel Benn and Gerald McClellan when it happened. A series of head butts took one of the toughest fighters out there are turned him into a nearly paralyzed man, which I think he lost his vision for some time, and ended up having financial troubles afterwards. His sisters had to take 24 hour care of him and the money he made in his fight career evaporated.

Was that fair? Are Mayweather's critics taking financial care of McClellan? No, they are not. Roy Jones Jr was good friends with dude too, and after seeing what happened to his friend he became a more cautious fighter himself.

How smart is it to destroy your health to gain millions? Will you really enjoy those millions after you retire if your health and brain health plummet downwards?

Yeah, Floyd is not the most entertaining fighter, and I loved me some Arturo Gatti fights especially his trilogy against Mikey Ward. But did those head punches end up increasing Gatti's depression, and did his depression lead to his domestic violence with his wife, and did that lead to his death whether homicide or suicide? We may never know. He retired and his life crashed. I've outlived him and I've smoked more crack cocaine than's produced in Bolivia.



 
Old show I saw on Arturo Gatti's death. I'm not 100% sure but if I am remembering correctly they speculate whether all those hard blows to his head during his amazing fight boxing career led to his problems with depression. And I'm pretty sure--if I recall correctly--the investigative show talks to witnesses that saw a verbal or physical confrontation he had with his wife in Brazil right before he died (supposedly suicide).




Dateline 2017 Arturo Gatti's Last Fight





I have not watched the Joe Rogan video but only saw the title. It by judging the title ties into what I'm talking about (and presumably "Traumatic Brain Injury" like what football players and some combat soldiers get). I will watch the video after I post it though.




Joe Rogan and Jimmy Smith on Arturo Gatti's death, Micky Ward and brain trauma
 
Yeah, agreed. And if life were fair grown men wouldn't get rich playing golf. But life is not fair. And Mayweather is cognizant of that and sought to maximize the rewards of boxing while minimizing his risks (health foremost).

I saw the fight between Nigel Benn and Gerald McClellan when it happened. A series of head butts took one of the toughest fighters out there are turned him into a nearly paralyzed man, which I think he lost his vision for some time, and ended up having financial troubles afterwards. His sisters had to take 24 hour care of him and the money he made in his fight career evaporated.

Was that fair? Are Mayweather's critics taking financial care of McClellan? No, they are not. Roy Jones Jr was good friends with dude too, and after seeing what happened to his friend he became a more cautious fighter himself.

How smart is it to destroy your health to gain millions? Will you really enjoy those millions after you retire if your health and brain health plummet downwards?

Yeah, Floyd is not the most entertaining fighter, and I loved me some Arturo Gatti fights especially his trilogy against Mikey Ward. But did those head punches end up increasing Gatti's depression, and did his depression lead to his domestic violence with his wife, and did that lead to his death whether homicide or suicide? We may never know. He retired and his life crashed. I've outlived him and I've smoked more crack cocaine than's produced in Bolivia.





For those who may not know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Benn_vs._Gerald_McClellan

Truly an excellent example of what can happen in the ring, even to a good fighter.
 
I get that that's how he is but this guy he faced wasn't a boxer. He should have been able to be more aggressive from the first ring of the bell and not use the cowardly back-turning to escape from attacks.

For one Mayweather is not an aggressive boxer (one of the main reasons I have never been a fan of watching his fights). I believed going into this fight going in the disparity in skill would let Mayweather be able to simply dominate in a pure aggressive manner but I was grossly underestimating Conner. Early on Mayweather went to attack but quickly changed his intentions when Conner slipped his punch and responded with a quick combo. The composure Mayweather had to quickly change to a tactic of tiring him out speaks to why he is now 50-0, it also speaks to skill of Conner that a seasoned boxer like Mayweather would want to use actual tactics like that to ensure a win. As good as Conner looked, if I were him I wouldn't step back into a boxing ring. Someone that is more used to fighting in an aggressive manner would be a bad match up for Conner in my opinion. He proved me wrong against Mayweather but would be interesting to see him against a more offensive boxer.
 
Because it seems that he lost those rounds.

Yes, tired out. Mayweather didn't land much of anything until after McGregor started losing steam. That's just a fact. He also kept being a coward and turning his back to McGregor whenever he felt threatened. That's also a fact.

McGregor was showing his inexperience because he was throwing a lot of rabbit punches, which are illegal in boxing. He should have been formally warned by Ref Robert Byrd.

Perhaps it was instinct by McGregor.

Mayweather is the thinkings mans boxer. He's like an extremely disciplined hitter that fouls off a lot of pitches and forces the pitchers to throw a lot. Borning? I find it strategic.

Remember, Floyd, dominated the best boxer: pound for pound today in Canelo Alvarez. He essentially toyed with him. Mayweather is like a rock. It is not necessarily how much you can dish out but how much you can take. His opponents tire out and Mayweather always win.

I kind of compare him to the Ted Williams of Boxing. Longevity, consistency, and sustained excellence.
 
McGregor was showing his inexperience because he was throwing a lot of rabbit punches, which are illegal in boxing. He should have been formally warned by Ref Robert Byrd.

Perhaps it was instinct by McGregor.

Mayweather is the thinkings mans boxer. He's like an extremely disciplined hitter that fouls off a lot of pitches and forces the pitchers to throw a lot. Borning? I find it strategic.

Remember, Floyd, dominated the best boxer: pound for pound today in Canelo Alvarez. He essentially toyed with him. Mayweather is like a rock. It is not necessarily how much you can dish out but how much you can take. His opponents tire out and Mayweather always win.

I kind of compare him to the Ted Williams of Boxing. Longevity, consistency, and sustained excellence.

Clever, defensive fighter who doesn't dance but always comes inside. His style is very interesting to watch. He never exposes himself, but he is right there to take advantage when his opponent does just that.

He's undefeated for a reason. He's good. Even if half his 50 wins are against stiffs.
 
McGregor was showing his inexperience because he was throwing a lot of rabbit punches, which are illegal in boxing. He should have been formally warned by Ref Robert Byrd.

Perhaps it was instinct by McGregor.

Mayweather is the thinkings mans boxer. He's like an extremely disciplined hitter that fouls off a lot of pitches and forces the pitchers to throw a lot. Borning? I find it strategic.

Remember, Floyd, dominated the best boxer: pound for pound today in Canelo Alvarez. He essentially toyed with him. Mayweather is like a rock. It is not necessarily how much you can dish out but how much you can take. His opponents tire out and Mayweather always win.

I kind of compare him to the Ted Williams of Boxing. Longevity, consistency, and sustained excellence.

Mayweather is nothing like Williams. Williams could have sat the final double header the protect his .400 season instead he played. Mayweather ran when it was time to face Pacquiao, he dragged it out for years making up ridiculous condition after ridiculous condition. Williams is an American hero, Mayweather is a coward who beats women.
 
Mayweather is nothing like Williams. Williams could have sat the final double header the protect his .400 season instead he played. Mayweather ran when it was time to face Pacquiao, he dragged it out for years making up ridiculous condition after ridiculous condition. Williams is an American hero, Mayweather is a coward who beats women.

Actually, if you listen to Dana White, he said it was a pleasure working with the Mayweather team. I would assume Pacquiao's team was being difficult.

And when Mayweather faced Pacquiao, team money won in a landslide.
 
Actually, if you listen to Dana White, he said it was a pleasure working with the Mayweather team. I would assume Pacquiao's team was being difficult.

And when Mayweather faced Pacquiao, team money won in a landslide.

Im sure it was. Mayweather had nothing to fear from McGregor, so he had no need to demand anything, he was no threat to him in the boxing ring and White/McGregor would agree to pretty much anything since they had nothing to lose and they would make more in one night than they will the rest of their lives
 
For one Mayweather is not an aggressive boxer (one of the main reasons I have never been a fan of watching his fights). I believed going into this fight going in the disparity in skill would let Mayweather be able to simply dominate in a pure aggressive manner but I was grossly underestimating Conner. Early on Mayweather went to attack but quickly changed his intentions when Conner slipped his punch and responded with a quick combo. The composure Mayweather had to quickly change to a tactic of tiring him out speaks to why he is now 50-0, it also speaks to skill of Conner that a seasoned boxer like Mayweather would want to use actual tactics like that to ensure a win. As good as Conner looked, if I were him I wouldn't step back into a boxing ring. Someone that is more used to fighting in an aggressive manner would be a bad match up for Conner in my opinion. He proved me wrong against Mayweather but would be interesting to see him against a more offensive boxer.

Mayweather tried to bet on himself winning in the 9th round. He knew exactly how this fight would pan out - there weren't any mid-match tactic switches. Was all part of the plan.
 
Mayweather tried to bet on himself winning in the 9th round. He knew exactly how this fight would pan out - there weren't any mid-match tactic switches. Was all part of the plan.

I knew he tried to bet on himself but didn't know about the 9th round part. Definitely a smart game plan banking on the level endurance required to fight 5 rounds in MMA vs 12 in boxing. I would just had assumed that if possible he would have wanted to make a statement and destroyed him early if possible.
 
Actor Michael Rapaport on the Mayweather vs McGregor fight.






And he asks a good question here: why can't we like both MMA and boxing?







My issue with a good number of MMA fans is this: they have zero humility and they think "The Octagon" is the be all and end all of violent engagement between man, and dismiss boxing as being too limited, and they dismiss traditional martial arts entirely.

But MMA itself has limitations imposed on it. I like giving the example when I was engaged in hand-to-hand on a Milwaukee street block, at night, with street lights out. Battling under conditions of low visibility with two attackers, and with a brick being thrown at me (which I blocked with a downward Muay Thai elbow strike out of instincts, hitting/blocking the brick with the bone of my forearm), dancing on feet and moving. My point here is that neither MMA or boxing allows for a competitor to be attacked by 2 or more people, fighting under low visibility, with things thrown.

What about razor blades, box-cutters, tanto knives being brought into the Octagon? Or being seated passenger side in a car and the driver and guy in the back of the car attack you and try to slip a strangulation wire around your neck? Or being butt naked in a water wet, open, prison shower made more slippery from fresh hum blood on the floor and you have 3 men attacking you?

Or the Marine Corps in bayonet fighting attached to rifles, why should they have courses in which 2 enemies attack 1 Marine with only his fixed bayonet rifle? The rules of MMA doesn't allow for that (nor trains for it).

MMA is great and gives you more skill sets than just boxing. But contrary to what many MMA fans think "The Octagon" and MMA has limitations imposed upon it too. No one is using flash bangs, they entering shooting with semiauto pistol, then transitioning to combat knife after magazines are empty and you are already shot in the calf of your right leg.


 
Jeff Mayweather--Floyd's uncle--on the fight.


 
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