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Major League Baseball 2017

The Man

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The Orioles re-signed Mark Trumbo to a 3 year deal. A good move if he produces homeruns anywhere near like he did in 2016.
 
The Man said:
The Orioles re-signed Mark Trumbo to a 3 year deal. A good move if he produces homeruns anywhere near like he did in 2016.
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You know he is going to strike out around 200 times.
 
The Man said:
I can tolerate that if he hits around 40+ homeruns and around 100 RBI a season.
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Yea me too. I drafted him in fantasy when he went to Arizona and got bupkis.
 
The Man said:
The Orioles re-signed Mark Trumbo to a 3 year deal. A good move if he produces homeruns anywhere near like he did in 2016.
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It was an excellent signing by the Orioles and clearly representative of the cratering market for power hitters this off season. It almost looks like ownership collusion to me, the way Encarnacion and Bautista were treated along with Trumbo and some other mid-low 30s power hitters. Encarnacion and Bautista have led MLB since 2010 in homers and RBI. And I'm totally ticked off that the Jays didn't do much more to re sign Encarnacion - the way they gave him about a day to decide and then rushed to give Morales $36 mil over 3 years was managerial misconduct in my view. At least they were able to bring back Bautista so I won't be totally ignoring them this season.

The money being dished out to relievers is also a major detour from normal off season action. I can't help but think a lot of these arms are going to be wasted contracts as time progresses. GMs suddenly decided that relief pitching wins championships because of Kansas City two years ago and Cleveland and Chicago this year. We'll see if that's a smart move going forward.

Anyway, have fun this season and I look forward to Bautista haunting the Orioles again for at least another year.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It was an excellent signing by the Orioles and clearly representative of the cratering market for power hitters this off season. It almost looks like ownership collusion to me, the way Encarnacion and Bautista were treated along with Trumbo and some other mid-low 30s power hitters. Encarnacion and Bautista have led MLB since 2010 in homers and RBI. And I'm totally ticked off that the Jays didn't do much more to re sign Encarnacion - the way they gave him about a day to decide and then rushed to give Morales $36 mil over 3 years was managerial misconduct in my view. At least they were able to bring back Bautista so I won't be totally ignoring them this season.

The money being dished out to relievers is also a major detour from normal off season action. I can't help but think a lot of these arms are going to be wasted contracts as time progresses. GMs suddenly decided that relief pitching wins championships because of Kansas City two years ago and Cleveland and Chicago this year. We'll see if that's a smart move going forward.

Anyway, have fun this season and I look forward to Bautista haunting the Orioles again for at least another year.
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Jose Bautista is on the decline, a rapid decline.

Let's understand the situation. No other team offered him a contract besides the Blue Jays.
 
News flash: Arizona is going to suck again.
 
Bucky said:
Jose Bautista is on the decline, a rapid decline.

Let's understand the situation. No other team offered him a contract besides the Blue Jays.
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Once again, you're fabricating things out of your ass and haven't a clue what you're talking about. I appreciate that the Yankees for the past decade have had a lot of experience with players on rapid decline, but Bautista isn't one.
 
Cardinals punishment for the hacking is finally going to come out this week.
 
No need to drag this out like the idiots at the NFL did with deflategate.

The Astros seem happy with the penalties, that's good enough for me.

The Astros also issued a statement, saying they support the ruling and penalties.

"This unprecedented award by the Commissioner's Office sends a clear message of the severity of these actions," the statement said. "Our staff has invested a great deal of time in support of the government, legal and league investigations and are pleased to have closure on this issue."
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I agree, it's closed.

Time for Pitchers and Catchers. LOL
 
CanadaJohn said:
It was an excellent signing by the Orioles and clearly representative of the cratering market for power hitters this off season. It almost looks like ownership collusion to me, the way Encarnacion and Bautista were treated along with Trumbo and some other mid-low 30s power hitters. Encarnacion and Bautista have led MLB since 2010 in homers and RBI. And I'm totally ticked off that the Jays didn't do much more to re sign Encarnacion - the way they gave him about a day to decide and then rushed to give Morales $36 mil over 3 years was managerial misconduct in my view. At least they were able to bring back Bautista so I won't be totally ignoring them this season.

The money being dished out to relievers is also a major detour from normal off season action. I can't help but think a lot of these arms are going to be wasted contracts as time progresses. GMs suddenly decided that relief pitching wins championships because of Kansas City two years ago and Cleveland and Chicago this year. We'll see if that's a smart move going forward.

Anyway, have fun this season and I look forward to Bautista haunting the Orioles again for at least another year.
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Encarnacion is 34 and got a 3 year deal worth 60 million. He also is coming off a season with his lowest SLG, lowest AVG, and second lowest OBP since 2012. Bautista is 36 years old and coming off a season that was well below his previous production level. He may bounce back, but he's getting to the age where a player's skills can sharply decline and he still got 18.5 million dollars for next season, with a mutual option for next season and a vesting option for 2019. Trumbo is 31 and coming off his best season where he set career highs in slugging, HR, RBI, Runs, and hits. And even there, he wasn't really a great player due to his horrendous OBP. How much money would you bet that he'll replicate those numbers?

Yes there was a time these guys might have gotten even fatter, premium contracts, but I don't think the change in the market is collusion. Its organizations getting smarter and recognizing that guys who offer one skill have limited value and signing folks in the mid 30s to big multi-year contracts is a risk.
 
Psychoclown said:
Encarnacion is 34 and got a 3 year deal worth 60 million. He also is coming off a season with his lowest SLG, lowest AVG, and second lowest OBP since 2012. Bautista is 36 years old and coming off a season that was well below his previous production level. He may bounce back, but he's getting to the age where a player's skills can sharply decline and he still got 18.5 million dollars for next season, with a mutual option for next season and a vesting option for 2019. Trumbo is 31 and coming off his best season where he set career highs in slugging, HR, RBI, Runs, and hits. And even there, he wasn't really a great player due to his horrendous OBP. How much money would you bet that he'll replicate those numbers?

Yes there was a time these guys might have gotten even fatter, premium contracts, but I don't think the change in the market is collusion. Its organizations getting smarter and recognizing that guys who offer one skill have limited value and signing folks in the mid 30s to big multi-year contracts is a risk.
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That's of course it. Aging power hitters that don't play premium defensive positions tend to have a sharply downward aging curve, and teams are finally starting to realize that.

The Tigers are going to pay dearly down the line for that extension they gave Cabrera, at a time when they were only negotiating against themselves. That's going to make the Ryan Howard contract look like a bargain.

The money being given relievers makes a modicum of sense, since they're largely short-term deals (outside of the lunacy that was the Chapman contract, but hey, it's the Yankees).

As a Jays fan, I would have been just fine if they had passed on EE on Bautista this offseason, but one more season of Jose beats the alternative of signing nothing but Steve Pearce and Kendrys Morales to bolster the lineup. Dollars to donuts Pearce puts up a higher WAR this year than Bats does.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It was an excellent signing by the Orioles and clearly representative of the cratering market for power hitters this off season. It almost looks like ownership collusion to me, the way Encarnacion and Bautista were treated along with Trumbo and some other mid-low 30s power hitters. Encarnacion and Bautista have led MLB since 2010 in homers and RBI. And I'm totally ticked off that the Jays didn't do much more to re sign Encarnacion - the way they gave him about a day to decide and then rushed to give Morales $36 mil over 3 years was managerial misconduct in my view. At least they were able to bring back Bautista so I won't be totally ignoring them this season.

The money being dished out to relievers is also a major detour from normal off season action. I can't help but think a lot of these arms are going to be wasted contracts as time progresses. GMs suddenly decided that relief pitching wins championships because of Kansas City two years ago and Cleveland and Chicago this year. We'll see if that's a smart move going forward.

Anyway, have fun this season and I look forward to Bautista haunting the Orioles again for at least another year.
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The Jays gave Encarnacion four months to decide. He's the one who cut off negotiations in April, not the FO.
 
Psychoclown said:
Encarnacion is 34 and got a 3 year deal worth 60 million. He also is coming off a season with his lowest SLG, lowest AVG, and second lowest OBP since 2012. Bautista is 36 years old and coming off a season that was well below his previous production level. He may bounce back, but he's getting to the age where a player's skills can sharply decline and he still got 18.5 million dollars for next season, with a mutual option for next season and a vesting option for 2019. Trumbo is 31 and coming off his best season where he set career highs in slugging, HR, RBI, Runs, and hits. And even there, he wasn't really a great player due to his horrendous OBP. How much money would you bet that he'll replicate those numbers?

Yes there was a time these guys might have gotten even fatter, premium contracts, but I don't think the change in the market is collusion. Its organizations getting smarter and recognizing that guys who offer one skill have limited value and signing folks in the mid 30s to big multi-year contracts is a risk.
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We'll see. I expect Bautista to have a terrific year, free of freak injuries, and again he'll be a bargain for the Jays. As for Encarnacion, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes Cleveland over the top to a winning World Series this year. You can say Encarnacion had an off year, but he led the league in RBIs and was second, just back, in homers. What more do you want from a DH and part time first baseman??
 
Kobie said:
The Jays gave Encarnacion four months to decide. He's the one who cut off negotiations in April, not the FO.
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Nonsense. Jays knew he was going into this free agency year and Encarnacion told them, up front, that he didn't want to negotiate during the year. Nothing stopped the Jays from tendering an offer to his agent during the season, one that was commensurate with his time with the Jays and the season he was having. Fact remains, entering free agency they made him an offer and gave him and his agent 24 hours to sign and then they went out and signed a guy for way more term and money than he deserved, considering the way free agency played out. Morales got a dream deal that nobody else would have come close to giving him. The Jays management totally misplayed the off season and there's no denying it.
 
Kobie said:
The money being given relievers makes a modicum of sense, since they're largely short-term deals (outside of the lunacy that was the Chapman contract, but hey, it's the Yankees).
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Many teams are going to be pitching their starters 6 innings, and that's it. Relievers are going to be more and more important. Yeah, the Chapman contract was stupid, but sometimes that's the Yankees. But some of these other relievers are going to be making more and more money. Middle relief is going to become more and more important. Somebody has to pitch the 7th and 8th innings to get the game to the closer.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Many teams are going to be pitching their starters 6 innings, and that's it. Relievers are going to be more and more important. Yeah, the Chapman contract was stupid, but sometimes that's the Yankees. But some of these other relievers are going to be making more and more money. Middle relief is going to become more and more important. Somebody has to pitch the 7th and 8th innings to get the game to the closer.
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Rumor is that if the Cubs latest two acquisitions pan out, Maddon will be going with a six man rotation this summer.

That might change things in the bullpen...
 
Threegoofs said:
Rumor is that if the Cubs latest two acquisitions pan out, Maddon will be going with a six man rotation this summer.

That might change things in the bullpen...
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Yep.. That's very true. If teams start to go to 6 man rotations, and I expect that to happen, then the bullpens will become less important. On a 6 man rotation the starters will probably go 7-8 innings.

But I don't think many teams will be going to a 6 man rotation soon. Some will, 2-3 teams maybe this year and next. But all 30 teams? I think that's still down the road 5-10 years.

Many teams have problems finding quality 4th and 5th starter. Using a 6th starter might simply depend on if they can find a decent 6th starter.
 
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