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AtlantaAdonis

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Not putting this into the CFB or NFL thread because it really pertains to both. Is it just me or do players flagged for targeting and personal fouls seem to be disproportionately players of color? Every time I have seen a player get an unsportsmanlike conduct or get removed from the game for targeting, it's always players of color. Do we somehow love all of the violence and big hits in football but only care to see it when Caucasian players are dishing out the hits? The NCAA and NFL need to carry out a full review of these rules because anyone who is paying attention can see people of color are flagged for these penalties much out of proportion to their percentage of starters. Social science shows how people perceive black men to be more threatening and dangerous, so surely this mentality seeps into officiating of a football game.
 
about 60% of players in college are black.

in the NFL it goes way higher.

do you take that into consideration?
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Not putting this into the CFB or NFL thread because it really pertains to both. Is it just me or do players flagged for targeting and personal fouls seem to be disproportionately players of color? Every time I have seen a player get an unsportsmanlike conduct or get removed from the game for targeting, it's always players of color. Do we somehow love all of the violence and big hits in football but only care to see it when Caucasian players are dishing out the hits? The NCAA and NFL need to carry out a full review of these rules because anyone who is paying attention can see people of color are flagged for these penalties much out of proportion to their percentage of starters. Social science shows how people perceive black men to be more threatening and dangerous, so surely this mentality seeps into officiating of a football game.
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I googled pictures of the Denver Bronco's defense, Pittsburgh Steelers defense, and the Seattle Seahawks defense and was shocked to see that most of the members are people of color. I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Not putting this into the CFB or NFL thread because it really pertains to both. Is it just me or do players flagged for targeting and personal fouls seem to be disproportionately players of color? Every time I have seen a player get an unsportsmanlike conduct or get removed from the game for targeting, it's always players of color. Do we somehow love all of the violence and big hits in football but only care to see it when Caucasian players are dishing out the hits? The NCAA and NFL need to carry out a full review of these rules because anyone who is paying attention can see people of color are flagged for these penalties much out of proportion to their percentage of starters. Social science shows how people perceive black men to be more threatening and dangerous, so surely this mentality seeps into officiating of a football game.
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:roll:

Uh, no.
 
JC Callender said:
I googled pictures of the Denver Bronco's defense, Pittsburgh Steelers defense, and the Seattle Seahawks defense and was shocked to see that most of the members are people of color. I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
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Prejudice against whites. It's really rampant in the NBA. But, the NHL balances it out ;)
 
Troll thread 0/10
 
ARealConservative said:
about 60% of players in college are black.

in the NFL it goes way higher.

do you take that into consideration?
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AtlantaAdonis said:
Not putting this into the CFB or NFL thread because it really pertains to both. Is it just me or do players flagged for targeting and personal fouls seem to be disproportionately players of color? Every time I have seen a player get an unsportsmanlike conduct or get removed from the game for targeting, it's always players of color. Do we somehow love all of the violence and big hits in football but only care to see it when Caucasian players are dishing out the hits? The NCAA and NFL need to carry out a full review of these rules because anyone who is paying attention can see people of color are flagged for these penalties much out of proportion to their percentage of starters. Social science shows how people perceive black men to be more threatening and dangerous, so surely this mentality seeps into officiating of a football game.
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Next question.
 
ARealConservative said:
evidence please
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Sorry, no one has done a scholarly paper looking at which players are getting penalties. Perhaps you should carry out your own study of who is flagged for penalties like unnecessary roughness, late hits, targeting, etc. It might open your eyes and make you rethink white privilege.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Sorry, no one has done a scholarly paper looking at which players are getting penalties. Perhaps you should carry out your own study of who is flagged for penalties like unnecessary roughness, late hits, targeting, etc. It might open your eyes and make you rethink white privilege.
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you are making the claim. show some proof.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Not putting this into the CFB or NFL thread because it really pertains to both. Is it just me or do players flagged for targeting and personal fouls seem to be disproportionately players of color? Every time I have seen a player get an unsportsmanlike conduct or get removed from the game for targeting, it's always players of color. Do we somehow love all of the violence and big hits in football but only care to see it when Caucasian players are dishing out the hits? The NCAA and NFL need to carry out a full review of these rules because anyone who is paying attention can see people of color are flagged for these penalties much out of proportion to their percentage of starters. Social science shows how people perceive black men to be more threatening and dangerous, so surely this mentality seeps into officiating of a football game.
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black students are suspended/expelled in numbers disproportionate to their presence in the school population
black people are arrested/incarcerated in numbers disproportionate to their presence in the general population

is this because school/law enforcers are racist against blacks
or could it be because there is a cultural inclination within a substantial segment of the black community to disregard authority figures/authority

as a sports official i tech/eject/assign an unsporting penalty only when i cannot ignore the player's obvious non-rules-compliant actions

most players know, understand, and play within the rules
but there are a few who insist on exploring how far they can push
and the way they find out is by pushing too far
that's when they get the technical foul/ejection/unsporting act flag

the officials of the clemson win over ohio state last night did a great job
one of the things they did well was to prevent repeated instances of attempts to call attention to the player's self
especially the clemson QB. after each TD, he would immediately approach the crowd to elicit their audible approval and support. and EVERY time the referee would get in between him and the crowd
anybody know the race of the clemson QB? one anecdote does not make a point ... but it does tend to illustrate one
 
Here's one in NCAA Basketball they caught here lately.

 
A thread like this needs citation of evidence/proof from the OP to back up his claim, otherwise it is a moronic, trolling thread. Simply prefacing a question with "It seems like..." does not constitute proof or evidence.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Next question.
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Suggest you look into the black/white ratio on offense and defense. I'm guessing the defense gets penalized more than the offense. The disproportion you cite might be reflected in that ratio.
If it matters. I'm not convinced it does.
 
The Man said:
A thread like this needs citation of evidence/proof from the OP to back up his claim, otherwise it is a moronic, trolling thread. Simply prefacing a question with "It seems like..." does not constitute proof or evidence.
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I simply said it's an observation. I don't think any social scientists have studied the ethnic makeup of football players flagged for penalties. what do you want me to do, watch hundreds of hours of football and keep up with which players having penalties called on them are players of color? I'm sure anyone else here who pays attention to who gets the penalties who notice it, too. Anyone not blissfully aware of their white privilege could see it.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Not putting this into the CFB or NFL thread because it really pertains to both. Is it just me or do players flagged for targeting and personal fouls seem to be disproportionately players of color? Every time I have seen a player get an unsportsmanlike conduct or get removed from the game for targeting, it's always players of color. Do we somehow love all of the violence and big hits in football but only care to see it when Caucasian players are dishing out the hits? The NCAA and NFL need to carry out a full review of these rules because anyone who is paying attention can see people of color are flagged for these penalties much out of proportion to their percentage of starters. Social science shows how people perceive black men to be more threatening and dangerous, so surely this mentality seeps into officiating of a football game.
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No, for real, it does not seem that way to me. Personally, I love the big hits no matter the race of the giver and the receiver. I do note that a number of African American QBs feel as if they're not as protected in the sense of having the other team called for "roughing the passer" when the defense gets a little overzealous and that may well be the case, though I really don't know.
 
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