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Tebow!!!!

Crovax said:
Tebow is smaller, slower and weaker than all the other elite TE's in the game. I just dont see what advantage you think he would have over them without ever having seen him play as a TE.
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He's not smaller than Russell Wilson
 
CanadaJohn said:
To all those who claim Tebow was a ****ty QB, I'd just note his strong college career as well as his Hail Mary pass that beat my Steelers in his one playoff start.
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1. His strong college career is utterly meaningless in regards to his NFL success.
2. He had two playoff starts. The week following the Steelers game, the Broncos got utterly demolished by New England, and Tebow was rancid.

We're talking about a guy who completed 47 percent of his passes. He actually didn't throw a bad deep ball, but his accuracy on short-to-mid-range passes was nothing short of horrifying.

CanadaJohn said:
That said, I don't think anyone can argue that Tebow is a worse QB than Mark Sanchez who keeps popping up every year with some desperate team. His only value is reminding us all of the hilarious butt fumble he will be known for, for the rest of his life.
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I will absolutely argue that Tebow is a worse QB that Mark Sanchez, and Mark Sanchez sucks too.
 
Top Cat said:
He's not smaller than Russell Wilson
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Russell Wilson's not a tight end. Read Crovax's comment again.

And I agree with Crovax, I've never seen any indication that his skillset would translate well to another position.
 
Kobie said:
Russell Wilson's not a tight end. Read Crovax's comment again.

And I agree with Crovax, I've never seen any indication that his skillset would translate well to another position.
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Crovax said he is weaker smaller and slower than elite TE's. That is demonstrably untrue (I demonstrated it)
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Rex Ryan was the coach of the QB starved Jets when Teabow was on the Jets. This year Ryan also campaigned for Donald Trump.

In 2012 the owner of the Jets, Woody Johnston said he would rather Romney win the POTUS than the Jets win the Super Bowl.

2 rather conservative people running the team yet when the Jets had Teabow, even though the Jets were DESPERATE for a QB, Teabow never got on the field. Why? Because he was a TERRIBLE QB. His completion % in the NFL was under 50%.

Anyone who thinks Teabow was blackballed because of his religion and/or politics is just playing the victim, poor me card. He's not in the NFL because he was a bad QB, nothing more.

I remember when conservatives never use to like to blame other people for failures. Now? They blame everyone but themselves.
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To the defense of this and Sanchez, rex doesn't ever seem to give a flying rats ass about offense.
 
LMAO Tebow wasnt a good "NFL" QB overall, its really that simple

The idea that in 2016, or a few years ago that the NFL money machine would blacklist a GOOD NFL WINNING QB is borderline insanity LMAO
 
IMO Teabow might have been a good TE. But HE said no, so him being out of the NFL is all on him.

As far as him being better than Sanchez, again, the I doubt the Jet ownership and coach at the time cared about Teabow's religion. But they didn't platy Teabow, that tells us all we need to know.

When Teabow was with the Jets there were reports out of the Jets camp that he was lost, even in practice. I have NO IDEA if that is true or not, but some reports said even in practice he couldn't read defenses or catch onto the offensive plays. If a QB is lost in practice, there's no way he's going to get on the field in a real game.
 
Crovax said:
Many QBs have chosen to fail at QB rather than succeed at another position
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That's too bad. Bed make an awesome TE target across the middle.
 
poweRob said:
To the defense of this and Sanchez, rex doesn't ever seem to give a flying rats ass about offense.
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I 110% agree. Rex was/is a terrible coach. And he hasn't a clue about offense or QB development. BUT in Rex's defense( and I thought I'd NEVER do that, LOL), Sanchez has also failed elsewhere. I mean he's couldn't even win the job this year in Denver. And when they had him the Broncos could not WAIT to get rid of Teabow. And also concerning Teabow there's a TON of teams looking for QB's now, but Teabow's phone doesn't ring.

He's a bad QB. So is Sanchez. But Teabow is much worse than Sanchez.
 
Ikari said:
Is he though? There are some big dudes playing the TE position for sure. Rob Gronkowski and Jason Witten are both something like 6’6” and over 260 lbs. But what is Tebow at? He’s something like 6’3” at 245 lbs. What do some of the best TEs stack up as?

Antonio Gates: 6’4” 255lbs
Ozzie Newsome: 6’2” 230lbs
Mike Ditka: 6’3” @ 230lbs
Tony Gonzalez: 6’5” 250lbs
Dave Casper: 6’4” 240lbs
John Mackey: 6’2” 225lbs

Tebows size and mass are right in the range of some of the great TE’s, so he wasn’t too small. How fast were any of these guys? I actually don’t know. Weaker? I don’t know, Tebow is built and works our ferociously. I think that given his size and skill sets, he could have made the transition and performed remarkably.

We’ll never know, he didn’t want to do that. But I don’t think he wasn’t physically fit for the position just because there are a few big guys out there.
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Comparing Ditka's, Mackey's and Casper's size to current TE's and the way the game is played today, now I know you are reaching.


Here lets see Tebows stats: 6'3, 236 lbs, 4.72 40-yard dash

Tony Gonzalez: 6'5, 243 lbs, 4.49 40-yard dash
Jason Witten: 6'5, 265 lbs, 4.65 40 yard dash
Antonio Gates: 6'4, 260 lbs, 4.5 40 yard dash
Heath Miller: 6'5, 256 lbs, 4.87 40 yard dash
Greg Olsen 6'6, 254 lbs, 4.47 40 yard dash
Jimmy Graham: 6'7, 265 lbs, 4.56 40 yard dash
Rob Gronk: 6'6, 265 lbs, 4.68 40 yard dash


Every single one of them is taller bigger and faster (with the exception of Miller) than Tebow
 
Rico Suave said:
Crovax said he is weaker smaller and slower than elite TE's. That is demonstrably untrue (I demonstrated it)
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Actually its true

Here lets see Tebows stats: 6'3, 236 lbs, 4.72 40-yard dash

Tony Gonzalez: 6'5, 243 lbs, 4.49 40-yard dash
Jason Witten: 6'5, 265 lbs, 4.65 40 yard dash
Antonio Gates: 6'4, 260 lbs, 4.5 40 yard dash
Heath Miller: 6'5, 256 lbs, 4.87 40 yard dash
Greg Olsen 6'6, 254 lbs, 4.47 40 yard dash
Jimmy Graham: 6'7, 265 lbs, 4.56 40 yard dash
Rob Gronk: 6'6, 265 lbs, 4.68 40 yard dash


Every single one of them is taller bigger and faster (with the exception of Miller) than Tebow


Now why dont you contine to talk about how much bigger Tebow is than a convicted murderer who will never catch another NFL pass
 
Crovax said:
Comparing Ditka's, Mackey's and Casper's size to current TE's and the way the game is played today, now I know you are reaching.


Here lets see Tebows stats: 6'3, 236 lbs, 4.72 40-yard dash

Tony Gonzalez: 6'5, 243 lbs, 4.49 40-yard dash
Jason Witten: 6'5, 265 lbs, 4.65 40 yard dash
Antonio Gates: 6'4, 260 lbs, 4.5 40 yard dash
Heath Miller: 6'5, 256 lbs, 4.87 40 yard dash
Greg Olsen 6'6, 254 lbs, 4.47 40 yard dash
Jimmy Graham: 6'7, 265 lbs, 4.56 40 yard dash
Rob Gronk: 6'6, 265 lbs, 4.68 40 yard dash


Every single one of them is taller bigger and faster (with the exception of Miller) than Tebow
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1) Tebow played in the league at 245#

2) you failed to mention the 2 best TE's outside of Gronk in Arron Hernandez and Jordan Reed. Actually Reed is propably better than Gronk.
 
Crovax said:
Comparing Ditka's, Mackey's and Casper's size to current TE's and the way the game is played today, now I know you are reaching.
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It's true that things have changed, but in terms of size he's not being dwarfed. There are some huge TEs out there, but they are not all that way. And some of the best haven't been. He's close to Gonzalez and Gates, and they're elites. The NFL, BTW, has Tebow listed at 245 lbs, not 236. His size and speed do not take him out of contention for being a great TE. So yes, some of whom you have listed have an inch or two on him, and a few pounds. But he's in the range of the TE. Jordan Reed is 6'2" and 245lbs, Delanie Walker is in that same boat. So smaller, productive TEs do exist.

And running for yards...that was pretty much Tebows bread and butter. If he were taught to block, I believe he would have made an outstanding TE.
 
Rico Suave said:
1) Tebow played in the league at 245#

2) you failed to mention the 2 best TE's outside of Gronk in Arron Hernandez and Jordan Reed. Actually Reed is propably better than Gronk.
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Aaron Hernandez is in jail will never play again and had only decent season not even good or great, and Reed hasnt even had a full good season.
 
Crovax said:
Comparing Ditka's, Mackey's and Casper's size to current TE's and the way the game is played today, now I know you are reaching.


Here lets see Tebows stats: 6'3, 236 lbs, 4.72 40-yard dash

Tony Gonzalez: 6'5, 243 lbs, 4.49 40-yard dash
Jason Witten: 6'5, 265 lbs, 4.65 40 yard dash
Antonio Gates: 6'4, 260 lbs, 4.5 40 yard dash
Heath Miller: 6'5, 256 lbs, 4.87 40 yard dash
Greg Olsen 6'6, 254 lbs, 4.47 40 yard dash
Jimmy Graham: 6'7, 265 lbs, 4.56 40 yard dash
Rob Gronk: 6'6, 265 lbs, 4.68 40 yard dash


Every single one of them is taller bigger and faster (with the exception of Miller) than Tebow
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Wiki has him at 245 pounds.
 
gdgyva said:
MLB Scouts on Tim Tebow tryout: 'complete waste of time', 'batting practice was impressive' - UPI.com

One American League scout told USA Today, "It was a complete waste of time. It was like watching an actor trying to portray a baseball player.

"He tried. He tried. That's the best I can say. He is crazy strong, and could run well in one direction, but that's it. He only had one good throw of all his throws."

An unnamed veteran scout told ESPN.com, "The batting practice was impressive, and if he had carried it over into the simulated game, I think a lot of teams would have come away from this very interested. But it just didn't translate. He was out front a lot and he didn't recognize some pitches. He didn't take the same approach. It seemed like he was more interested in making contact, and his barrel was dragging."

most of the reviews werent very good....

will he get a chance @ A ball? maybe....ticket draw, and small salary....not much to lose
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"A few big league teams talked privately with Tebow after the workout, and he seems unlikely to have trouble finding an organization willing to give a chance to a celebrity with clear baseball ability, however rudimentary."

Tim Tebow shows off baseball skills in MLB workout

Clearly, different people have differing views about Tebow's workout and prospects. That's to be expected. As I said, he's likely to get a contract for A or AA ball for next spring or maybe winter leagues and go from there. Who's to say how successful he may end up being.
 
Kobie said:
Russell Wilson's not a tight end. Read Crovax's comment again.

And I agree with Crovax, I've never seen any indication that his skillset would translate well to another position.
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Oops. My bad.
 
Crovax said:
Aaron Hernandez is in jail will never play again and had only decent season not even good or great, and Reed hasnt even had a full good season.
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Yet the notoriously fiscally prudent Patriots gave Arron the 2nd biggest contract at the time and Jordan Reed just signed the biggest TE contract in the league.

Both were Gator's so I'm very familiar with them they were similar sized about as fast and much weaker than Tebow.
 
Ikari said:
It's true that things have changed, but in terms of size he's not being dwarfed. There are some huge TEs out there, but they are not all that way. And some of the best haven't been. He's close to Gonzalez and Gates, and they're elites. The NFL, BTW, has Tebow listed at 245 lbs, not 236. His size and speed do not take him out of contention for being a great TE. So yes, some of whom you have listed have an inch or two on him, and a few pounds. But he's in the range of the TE. Jordan Reed is 6'2" and 245lbs, Delanie Walker is in that same boat. So smaller, productive TEs do exist.

And running for yards...that was pretty much Tebows bread and butter. If he were taught to block, I believe he would have made an outstanding TE.
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You are missing the point, while yes a person could be a good tight end not having elite size Tebow has shown nothing to show that he would excel being undersized for the position. If Tebow had the size then you could make a case that he would be able to tranistion but being undersized not at his natural position and you think he could be not just passable or productive but "awesome" is just fantasy

Tebow's combine had him listed at 236, even at 245 hes still 15 lbs lighter and an inch shorter than Gates not to mention at least 2 steps slower. I wouldnt really consider that close in physical attributes.
 
Crovax said:
You are missing the point, while yes a person could be a good tight end not having elite size Tebow has shown nothing to show that he would excel being undersized for the position. If Tebow had the size then you could make a case that he would be able to tranistion but being undersized not at his natural position and you think he could be not just passable or productive but "awesome" is just fantasy

Tebow's combine had him listed at 236, even at 245 hes still 15 lbs lighter and an inch shorter than Gates not to mention at least 2 steps slower. I wouldnt really consider that close in physical attributes.
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Please read the post immediately above yours for your schooling:lol:
 
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